How much gold can you make as guild leader?

PlagueSD

ArchMikem wrote: »

Why do you think high end Guild require a weekly membership fee? Guild Leaders lean on their Members to provide a supplementary income in order to afford those Traders. They justify it as the Members paying the Guild in order to have a Trader to sell their stuff in every week. If it was squarely on the GM to buy the Trader the Guild would bankrupt quickly.

Weekly membership fee must be a "console" thing. I'm in 2 trading guilds on PC and the only requirement is be active and post items. Both guilds supplement income by doing weekly raffles and auctions for items donated to the guild.

I try to donate what I can, and if I have a good week selling, I'll turn around and invest back to the guild via raffle tickets and other donations.

MLGProPlayer

[snip]

Guild leaders make no moeny from trading guilds. Most guilds make less money per week than the price of the bid.

[edited for trolling]

Nocturnal_Annoyance

Roflmao, profit as a GM. I'm GM of Two Wenches One Goblet on ps4 NA. 490+ members, Elden Root trader. I can assure you I do not run a trading guild for my own personal profit. The guild is my game nowadays (took over a few months ago). I run a guild because I want it to do well and I want my members to have an awesome time because of the guild. While I don't necessarily need to put much gold into the guild bank nowadays, I do put a sizeable chunk into stuff for our auctions or giveaways. I also make sure I have plenty of materials that I can give to people when they need them. This game isn't about greed to everyone.

Wreuntzylla

The_Outsider wrote: »

You're probably on to something here. I'd say everyone here is collaborating in a large scale plot to hide the truth from you.

Well, except for the online guides people post to forums, and other types of threads, in which players debate what percentage they as guild leaders should take. Or the videos to the same effect posted on youtube.

I don't doubt that many guild leaders are in the red. It just depends on why they started the guild or how they decided to run it.

However, there are some large holes in the stories some guild leaders of major hub guilds put forth. For example, one trade guild leader claimed to spend literally all his time on guild matters, and yet could still donate "huge amounts" to the guild and always be the one to buy out every new item after a major patch, such as all the new motifs for Morrowind (going for over 100k+ each for certain motif pages). That's obviously not possible and he could not adequately respond to my question, so I did not join that trade guild. It's not that I don't think trade guild leaders should not be compensated, to the contrary, they should be top earners even if it takes guild funds. It's that I can't stand dishonesty.

kargen27 wrote: »

The trading guilds I have been in actually have spreadsheets members can check. They show sales, donations, raffle entries, auction participation both buying and donating items and other things. In the guild history we can see deposits and withdrawals. Many of the members that generate a lot of gold through sales donate a good sized chunk back so we are sure to keep our trader. Looking at the deposits the top members including the leader tend to deposit the most. The top members carry the guild because not everybody has good sales every week. They make gold by keeping members of the guild happy thus insuring we get a prime spot each week.

And they coordinate several events each week so we have something to do other than just farm for things to sell. No way I would want to help run a trade guild. I have enough headaches being an officer in a social guild.

That is fantastic. I am in a host of different trade guilds and not one does anything remotely close to that. In fact, most of them obscure the bank balance and other information. Some of them say it is to avoid bid sniping by spies, but at least on PC that's silly due to addons. Completely opaque guilds on console...

kargen27

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

You're probably on to something here. I'd say everyone here is collaborating in a large scale plot to hide the truth from you.

Well, except for the online guides people post to forums, and other types of threads, in which players debate what percentage they as guild leaders should take. Or the videos to the same effect posted on youtube.

I don't doubt that many guild leaders are in the red. It just depends on why they started the guild or how they decided to run it.

However, there are some large holes in the stories some guild leaders of major hub guilds put forth. For example, one trade guild leader claimed to spend literally all his time on guild matters, and yet could still donate "huge amounts" to the guild and always be the one to buy out every new item after a major patch, such as all the new motifs for Morrowind (going for over 100k+ each for certain motif pages). That's obviously not possible and he could not adequately respond to my question, so I did not join that trade guild. It's not that I don't think trade guild leaders should not be compensated, to the contrary, they should be top earners even if it takes guild funds. It's that I can't stand dishonesty.

kargen27 wrote: »

The trading guilds I have been in actually have spreadsheets members can check. They show sales, donations, raffle entries, auction participation both buying and donating items and other things. In the guild history we can see deposits and withdrawals. Many of the members that generate a lot of gold through sales donate a good sized chunk back so we are sure to keep our trader. Looking at the deposits the top members including the leader tend to deposit the most. The top members carry the guild because not everybody has good sales every week. They make gold by keeping members of the guild happy thus insuring we get a prime spot each week.

And they coordinate several events each week so we have something to do other than just farm for things to sell. No way I would want to help run a trade guild. I have enough headaches being an officer in a social guild.

That is fantastic. I am in a host of different trade guilds and not one does anything remotely close to that. In fact, most of them obscure the bank balance and other information. Some of them say it is to avoid bid sniping by spies, but at least on PC that's silly due to addons. Completely opaque guilds on console...

Spending all their time on guild matters could include farming those new motifs so they will be available, or running the same content over and over to get the high end drops or doing content that will generate a lot of gold with the idea that gold will go towards the guild.

That aside any guild leader that is pilfering the coffers of any substantial amount will soon find themselves with an empty guild. And if the guild leader is open about profiting from running the guild obviously the other members think everything he/she does is worth the amount taken or they would leave the guild.

DaveMoeDee

Can we perhaps stop trying to make one answer for all guilds? Guilds are definitely a place where less ethical individuals can try to take advantage of others by recruiting marks. On the other hand, we also have a lot of very successful guilds due to leadership sacrificing, putting in hours, and donating their own gold.

I tend to believe that those who cannot believe that a guildmaster would take a loss for the sake of the guild -- those are the people you should not trust. They cannot imagine that happening because they themselves would not do that. Just think of the mindset of a person who can't fathom people doing things for the benefit of others.

Waffennacht

In reality it's like running a country, you have nothing and have it all.

What you do have is control. Which in my opinion is more valuable than any currency.

So when they say they don't make any profit, they are correct. But they do gain something far more powerful

lordhakai

It's funny how often these topics come up. a lot of people cannot understand why use trade guild GM's do what we do and will never accept that there are honest and good people in management.

DoctorESO

Tasear wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

If its zero like everyone says, why would you run a trade guild in first place? And where are the 100 millions of gold coming from guild leaders have?

100s million gold is sales from all guild traders. This is gold everyone got in top locations.

To unfortunately run guilds it takes raffles or people who like to run businesses. I find many retired or active business professionals enjoy the system either as owner or merchant. It's quite interesting you can definitely tell difference in quality in top trade guilds.

*who like to run businesses without the financial benefit of actually running a business

efduncanub17_ESO

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

NordDK wrote: »

Thanks, thats the kind of answer i am looking for. not the guildmaster liars all saying the standard phrase - "yeah we make zero profit but spend millions of our own gold and our time into bids and managing the guild" ...for sure you do

shouldn't you be looking for the truth lol if your were looking for a specific answer why even ask?

Nyladreas

Guild leaders are like managers in most of the Eastern world. Overworked and underpaid just like the swampers but doing the same as them + extremely responsible at the same time

Actually... Sans the higher wage as well as they usually end up investing personal finances to keep the guild running.

It's actually very noble imho.

elantaura

I think for many the money is in the opportunity i.e they are checking notes and item and donations and are often first to see the cheap sale i.e if someone listed 20 kutas for 20 000 etc.
i started to note this as i got richer that when i put bulkitems up cheap, or do really low stuff to clear my inventory - that its the guldmaster who normally buys them. 90% of the time
So they are getting money just not by taking it directly, but just by using opportunity.
ironically i would not have an issue if they did - so long as they always have a top vendor. dont deliver on that and then i have an issue.

DoctorESO

Nyladreas wrote: »

Guild leaders are like managers in most of the Eastern world. Overworked and underpaid just like the swampers but doing the same as them + extremely responsible at the same time

Actually... Sans the higher wage as well as they usually end up investing personal finances to keep the guild running.

It's actually very noble imho.

So they're pretty much philanthropists

jazsper77

I see the GMs and Officers running here all crying they make NO MONEY and USE MILLIONS of there own. I’m a Founding GM ON PS4 NA and PC.

Please stop with the BS. But let me cover where the corruption lies.

1. Guild Halls - 1 person says they put everything in there Guild Hall . B.S most Guild Halls with transmute tables, multiple attunable crafting stations,etc etc were Donated to the Guild ( which the donators don’t realize once it’s in the Hall it’s the owners.
1a.notice how most GMs and officers have the best houses in the Guild//Game they even have them all decorated with holiday themes.( that is possible with all the items (patterns,BP, praxis that we’re donated you know for Auction. Hmmmm. Let’s not forget all the purple,Blue,green items that were put in the bank by members and deconed by GMs and officers.

2. Using members Gold to purchase ghost traders and flipping them for millions. 18 month Spreadsheet on PS4 NA and 15-21 traders are ghosts every weeks with 9-12 flipped by 9am Monday morning.
a GM who went high and mighty in here has on more then 1 occasion purchased a Ghost Trader when his Guild lost there bid. I could post the before and after screenshots but I’d probably get warned or banned for naming and shaming.
By purchasing these Ghost traders you have enabled this to happen on the PS4 NA.

* side note- GM SAYS they put 400k a week to secure a bid. If you are bidding over 500k to hide in the corner in EVERMORE every week then that’s *** poor Guild management. Cuz your making maybe 100k a week in taxes there.

3. Guild Income
a. Weekly fees
b donations
c raffles
d bid wars
f auctions
g 50/50
h Trader flipping
I guild bank items ( that get deconed by GMs and officers. (Most Guilds allow you to deposit but iyiu can’t withdraw from guild bank.
j donations - used wink wink to make Auction packages.

So you may have 1% of GUILDS being openly honest and disclose every penny via a spreadsheet. But reality is most don’t .

At the end of the day there are 3 main reasons to start a TRADE guild.
1. It’s something a group of friends,co workers, family decide to start.

2. A former officer or guild member who thinks they can do better then everyone else. Also the My ******* is bigger then your ******

3. To make lots of PERSONAL money.

You come to these threads and US GMs in the know laugh at all these GMs and officers who I GUESS are holding up homeless signs in front of there stalls asking for money so they can bid.

Ask yourself why would anyone IRL or Ingame always lose money , it’s so much time, I never get to play. SIMPLE cuz there is something to GAIN. PERIOD.

It’s like the used car guy saying he makes no money , yet there is a car lot on every corner.

Go peddle that to the people who don’t know the Trader system. I KNOW IT WELL on 2 platforms.

Disclaimer- this is not all Guilds it’s probably a small percentage but it HAPPENS more then the avg player thinks.

* can a GM or Officer use a lot of there own money to bid every week sure. BUT that’s there fault for over bidding a spot that HAS NO CHANCE in covering there bid.

The diff in weekly sales between a EVERMORE and STROS is not noticeable.that spot could be had for 200-250k. But it’s the my ego is bigger then your ego and I’m bidding over our head.

My Guild Profits every week and I’ve never charged a FEE. Do I bid capitol Traders once every 6 months with the profits we make.
Do I move around between certain areas , YUP.

Also whenever events,school breaks, summer vacations, holidays. We know when sales slow so I’m not going crazy when sales will be down. But so many GMs just will throw bad money just to make sure they get the spot . Then there crying at the end of the week they need members help with the bid. When it was there BAD decision to over bid.

Androconium

imnotanother wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

If its zero like everyone says, why would you run a trade guild in first place? And where are the 100 millions of gold coming from guild leaders have?

So you can have a store to sell in the first place. You can still make gold as a trader but not as a guild leader.

By having you and your wife run several guilds at once and knowing what to buy cheaply and sell at higher rates. By asking for donations. By insisting on n a minimum turnover and getting players to work for nothing.

All just guess work on my part, I don't control the net here.

Narvuntien

Probably a similar amount to the members their guild.

*goes to guild leaders house*. wow this must of cost a fortune they must be making a ton of money, I wonder where they got all that money?

*looks at his own bank*. Oh right! I am also making a ton of money.

kip_silverwolf

jazsper77 wrote: »

I see the GMs and Officers running here all crying they make NO MONEY and USE MILLIONS of there own. I’m a Founding GM ON PS4 NA and PC.

Please stop with the BS. But let me cover where the corruption lies.

1. Guild Halls - 1 person says they put everything in there Guild Hall . B.S most Guild Halls with transmute tables, multiple attunable crafting stations,etc etc were Donated to the Guild ( which the donators don’t realize once it’s in the Hall it’s the owners.
1a.notice how most GMs and officers have the best houses in the Guild//Game they even have them all decorated with holiday themes.( that is possible with all the items (patterns,BP, praxis that we’re donated you know for Auction. Hmmmm. Let’s not forget all the purple,Blue,green items that were put in the bank by members and deconed by GMs and officers.

2. Using members Gold to purchase ghost traders and flipping them for millions. 18 month Spreadsheet on PS4 NA and 15-21 traders are ghosts every weeks with 9-12 flipped by 9am Monday morning.
a GM who went high and mighty in here has on more then 1 occasion purchased a Ghost Trader when his Guild lost there bid. I could post the before and after screenshots but I’d probably get warned or banned for naming and shaming.
By purchasing these Ghost traders you have enabled this to happen on the PS4 NA.

* side note- GM SAYS they put 400k a week to secure a bid. If you are bidding over 500k to hide in the corner in EVERMORE every week then that’s *** poor Guild management. Cuz your making maybe 100k a week in taxes there.

3. Guild Income
a. Weekly fees
b donations
c raffles
d bid wars
f auctions
g 50/50
h Trader flipping
I guild bank items ( that get deconed by GMs and officers. (Most Guilds allow you to deposit but iyiu can’t withdraw from guild bank.
j donations - used wink wink to make Auction packages.

So you may have 1% of GUILDS being openly honest and disclose every penny via a spreadsheet. But reality is most don’t .

At the end of the day there are 3 main reasons to start a TRADE guild.
1. It’s something a group of friends,co workers, family decide to start.

2. A former officer or guild member who thinks they can do better then everyone else. Also the My ******* is bigger then your ******

3. To make lots of PERSONAL money.

You come to these threads and US GMs in the know laugh at all these GMs and officers who I GUESS are holding up homeless signs in front of there stalls asking for money so they can bid.

Ask yourself why would anyone IRL or Ingame always lose money , it’s so much time, I never get to play. SIMPLE cuz there is something to GAIN. PERIOD.

It’s like the used car guy saying he makes no money , yet there is a car lot on every corner.

Go peddle that to the people who don’t know the Trader system. I KNOW IT WELL on 2 platforms.

Disclaimer- this is not all Guilds it’s probably a small percentage but it HAPPENS more then the avg player thinks.

* can a GM or Officer use a lot of there own money to bid every week sure. BUT that’s there fault for over bidding a spot that HAS NO CHANCE in covering there bid.

The diff in weekly sales between a EVERMORE and STROS is not noticeable.that spot could be had for 200-250k. But it’s the my ego is bigger then your ego and I’m bidding over our head.

My Guild Profits every week and I’ve never charged a FEE. Do I bid capitol Traders once every 6 months with the profits we make.
Do I move around between certain areas , YUP.

Also whenever events,school breaks, summer vacations, holidays. We know when sales slow so I’m not going crazy when sales will be down. But so many GMs just will throw bad money just to make sure they get the spot . Then there crying at the end of the week they need members help with the bid. When it was there BAD decision to over bid.

I'm confused - @jazsper77 are you saying that you personally don't make a profit yourself as a GM, but nearly every other GM does?

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

I have this knowledge on server Xbox EU.

The top trading city is Mournhold, several years I've been on game and this city always sells items quickest and best prices usually, with this said...

The main trading guild (League of Assassins) I've been in during my time has had this spot on a consistent weekly basis and even has sister guilds.

During this time, they've never once asked for a weekly fee and they don't do raffles, this guild bank is accessible to most members. So this guild gets a spot in the best location on a regular basis and nothing is required from you. Awesome!

I've heard the Mournhold spots are in the millions, this will not be made up in taxes so I assume the leaders must be contributing to the bid. So thanks guys for the free, best located trader on our server.

Tasear

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

You're probably on to something here. I'd say everyone here is collaborating in a large scale plot to hide the truth from you.

Well, except for the online guides people post to forums, and other types of threads, in which players debate what percentage they as guild leaders should take. Or the videos to the same effect posted on youtube.

I don't doubt that many guild leaders are in the red. It just depends on why they started the guild or how they decided to run it.

However, there are some large holes in the stories some guild leaders of major hub guilds put forth. For example, one trade guild leader claimed to spend literally all his time on guild matters, and yet could still donate "huge amounts" to the guild and always be the one to buy out every new item after a major patch, such as all the new motifs for Morrowind (going for over 100k+ each for certain motif pages). That's obviously not possible and he could not adequately respond to my question, so I did not join that trade guild. It's not that I don't think trade guild leaders should not be compensated, to the contrary, they should be top earners even if it takes guild funds. It's that I can't stand dishonesty.

kargen27 wrote: »

The trading guilds I have been in actually have spreadsheets members can check. They show sales, donations, raffle entries, auction participation both buying and donating items and other things. In the guild history we can see deposits and withdrawals. Many of the members that generate a lot of gold through sales donate a good sized chunk back so we are sure to keep our trader. Looking at the deposits the top members including the leader tend to deposit the most. The top members carry the guild because not everybody has good sales every week. They make gold by keeping members of the guild happy thus insuring we get a prime spot each week.

And they coordinate several events each week so we have something to do other than just farm for things to sell. No way I would want to help run a trade guild. I have enough headaches being an officer in a social guild.

That is fantastic. I am in a host of different trade guilds and not one does anything remotely close to that. In fact, most of them obscure the bank balance and other information. Some of them say it is to avoid bid sniping by spies, but at least on PC that's silly due to addons. Completely opaque guilds on console...

The answer is they become good at trading. The guild runs on various systems. Some Guildmaster are extremely talented leaders and visionaries.

Androconium

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Thanks, thats the kind of answer i am looking for. not the guildmaster liars all saying the standard phrase - "yeah we make zero profit but spend millions of our own gold and our time into bids and managing the guild" ...for sure you do

On PS4, I'm the GM of Fishy Sticks Of Agility. We're 2+ years old with 450+ members.

We never charge fees but always have a Trader in a city.

I put a minimum of 400K a week into our Guild Bank to insure we ALWAYs have a Trader in a city.

EVERY WEEK

I believe you.
Where do you get 400k per week from?

Tasear

I seen this post more then once. Maybe issue is entire guild system? How often do Guildmaster fight over only amenitiy guilds offer? We need reform. Have you seen guild roster tab? It's outdated and does not tell us what members like or even do as class role? How are people suppose to act. They become distant and excuse there Guildmaster of cheating off them. Imagine what's like in reality Guildmasters in eso got nothing going for them.

MilwaukeeScott

Androconium wrote: »

I believe you.
Where do you get 400k per week from?

I do crafting writs on 6 characters everyday. I use the writ vouchers to buy crafting tables at 35 vouchers apiece. I sell the crafting tables for 55K apiece from our Guild Store.

Most weeks I sell 400K + in crafting tables. Some weeks, not many, I don't sell 400K worth of tables.

clocksstoppe

You dont make a profit, not even on paper. Rawlkha guilds pc eu demand 20k/week sales. 500 people x 20k x 0.07 = 700k to guild bank from taxes. Good luck getting a trader there for that.

GarnetFire17

ArchMikem wrote: »

Why do you think high end Guild require a weekly membership fee? Guild Leaders lean on their Members to provide a supplementary income in order to afford those Traders. They justify it as the Members paying the Guild in order to have a Trader to sell their stuff in every week. If it was squarely on the GM to buy the Trader the Guild would bankrupt quickly.

The weekly fees and sales tax don't even cover the cost for the bids. Yes guilds have to bid THAT high to keep their spot. They need to do raffles and auctions and for that they need farmers. Sometimes they are able to get donations, but sometimes guild leaders are the ones farming their rears off and doing the donating because good help is hard to find and its not easy to convince people to give up their good stuff or take a bunch of time farming when so many are loathe to even pay a simple weekly raffle ticket.

starkerealm

imnotanother wrote: »

Aeslief wrote: »

What does being a guild leader have to do with making gold?

A lot of players assume guild leaders just skim money off the top.

There's a few horror stories of things like this happening. But, in general, it's just not sustainable. There are a lot of people on the outside, who look at things like 10k/wk dues in a trade guild, and figure that money must be going to line the GM's pockets, because they can't even comprehend how expensive upkeep on their guild kiosk is.

GarnetFire17

My guild is in Elden Root PC NA. I had to take out loans and pay them back over time to cover trading cost while I was still pretty much providing all the items for Auctions and Raffles, value is probably about 600-800k a week is what i spend for my guild though I am trying to make it more of team effort with the officers now and lower that. With as much farming and writs that I do I could probably take my guild to a place like Shadowfen and just pay the entire cost of the bids myself and not even worry about doing auctions and raffles, and I would have several times more net gold a week than I currently do. But no, that is the price I pay for insisting on Elden Root.

GarnetFire17

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I have this knowledge on server Xbox EU.

The top trading city is Mournhold, several years I've been on game and this city always sells items quickest and best prices usually, with this said...

The main trading guild (League of Assassins) I've been in during my time has had this spot on a consistent weekly basis and even has sister guilds.

During this time, they've never once asked for a weekly fee and they don't do raffles, this guild bank is accessible to most members. So this guild gets a spot in the best location on a regular basis and nothing is required from you. Awesome!

I've heard the Mournhold spots are in the millions, this will not be made up in taxes so I assume the leaders must be contributing to the bid. So thanks guys for the free, best located trader on our server.

on PC NA Vivec, Belkarth, Elden Root, WayRest, Mournhold are all in the millions. In Rawl'kha I don't even want to know much they are. I bid in Rawl'kha one time like a year and a half ago, it was over 5 million and I lost. I don't even know if I was close.

DirkRavenclaw

In 1 of my 5 guild Im a Member off, i put around 100k towards a Trader Bid weekly, the GM got a RL Job, so, we run the Guild as a Council, i dont make any money of it, i just sell good for 300 to 600k a week, this meaning, i throw a lot of hours into ESO, lol.

Mannix1958

jazsper77 wrote: »

I see the GMs and Officers running here all crying they make NO MONEY and USE MILLIONS of there own. I’m a Founding GM ON PS4 NA and PC.

Please stop with the BS. But let me cover where the corruption lies.

1. Guild Halls - 1 person says they put everything in there Guild Hall . B.S most Guild Halls with transmute tables, multiple attunable crafting stations,etc etc were Donated to the Guild ( which the donators don’t realize once it’s in the Hall it’s the owners.
1a.notice how most GMs and officers have the best houses in the Guild//Game they even have them all decorated with holiday themes.( that is possible with all the items (patterns,BP, praxis that we’re donated you know for Auction. Hmmmm. Let’s not forget all the purple,Blue,green items that were put in the bank by members and deconed by GMs and officers.

2. Using members Gold to purchase ghost traders and flipping them for millions. 18 month Spreadsheet on PS4 NA and 15-21 traders are ghosts every weeks with 9-12 flipped by 9am Monday morning.
a GM who went high and mighty in here has on more then 1 occasion purchased a Ghost Trader when his Guild lost there bid. I could post the before and after screenshots but I’d probably get warned or banned for naming and shaming.
By purchasing these Ghost traders you have enabled this to happen on the PS4 NA.

* side note- GM SAYS they put 400k a week to secure a bid. If you are bidding over 500k to hide in the corner in EVERMORE every week then that’s *** poor Guild management. Cuz your making maybe 100k a week in taxes there.

3. Guild Income
a. Weekly fees
b donations
c raffles
d bid wars
f auctions
g 50/50
h Trader flipping
I guild bank items ( that get deconed by GMs and officers. (Most Guilds allow you to deposit but iyiu can’t withdraw from guild bank.
j donations - used wink wink to make Auction packages.

So you may have 1% of GUILDS being openly honest and disclose every penny via a spreadsheet. But reality is most don’t .

At the end of the day there are 3 main reasons to start a TRADE guild.
1. It’s something a group of friends,co workers, family decide to start.

2. A former officer or guild member who thinks they can do better then everyone else. Also the My ******* is bigger then your ******

3. To make lots of PERSONAL money.

You come to these threads and US GMs in the know laugh at all these GMs and officers who I GUESS are holding up homeless signs in front of there stalls asking for money so they can bid.

Ask yourself why would anyone IRL or Ingame always lose money , it’s so much time, I never get to play. SIMPLE cuz there is something to GAIN. PERIOD.

It’s like the used car guy saying he makes no money , yet there is a car lot on every corner.

Go peddle that to the people who don’t know the Trader system. I KNOW IT WELL on 2 platforms.

Disclaimer- this is not all Guilds it’s probably a small percentage but it HAPPENS more then the avg player thinks.

* can a GM or Officer use a lot of there own money to bid every week sure. BUT that’s there fault for over bidding a spot that HAS NO CHANCE in covering there bid.

The diff in weekly sales between a EVERMORE and STROS is not noticeable.that spot could be had for 200-250k. But it’s the my ego is bigger then your ego and I’m bidding over our head.

My Guild Profits every week and I’ve never charged a FEE. Do I bid capitol Traders once every 6 months with the profits we make.
Do I move around between certain areas , YUP.

Also whenever events,school breaks, summer vacations, holidays. We know when sales slow so I’m not going crazy when sales will be down. But so many GMs just will throw bad money just to make sure they get the spot . Then there crying at the end of the week they need members help with the bid. When it was there BAD decision to over bid.

Your post kinda rambles but it seems you are saying that others rip off their guild members but not you?

Plus, You speak a lot of Evermore...perhaps thats a hot spot in PS4 but I would be very disappointed if my guild trader thought that was a prime location.

Finally you start by saying you are/were a founding GM on PC & PS4...later state there are only 3 reasons to start a trade guild which was yours?

GarnetFire17

DoctorESO wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Guild leaders are like managers in most of the Eastern world. Overworked and underpaid just like the swampers but doing the same as them + extremely responsible at the same time

Actually... Sans the higher wage as well as they usually end up investing personal finances to keep the guild running.

It's actually very noble imho.

So they're pretty much philanthropists

Not me. I do it for fun believe it or not. It may not sound like much fun to some but it is to me. So what if my own account fluctuates between 1-4 million instead of 200 something and growing amount it easily could have been? I support my guilds to keep my guildies happy. That way it's fun for me. When it stops being fun I will stop doing it. Since support has grown we are making more gold than we need. We don't skim though. We either relax a bit the auctions. If we usually do 2 maybe we only do one this week. or we have fun contest. We just gave 1 million gold away to the winner of a housing contest. stuff like that.