My Hope for Dark Cloak

Strider__Roshin

I'm hoping that the minor protection lasts a decent amount of time. That was my main gripe about its original form. Even with the passive to extend its duration and being fully leveled it was only active for 5 seconds which is pretty meh. If they made it last 10 seconds or more I think that would be worth slotting. A 3 second duration isn't impactful at all.

cjhhickman39

Or maybe add minor expedition as this is a defense move getting gone would be helpful

olsborg

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

GrumpyDuckling

I vote for at least 20 seconds. Consider the Warden's skill Ice Fortress:

- Wrap a thick cloak of ice around you and nearby allies. Affected targets gain Major Resolve, increasing Physical Resistance, and Major Ward, increasing Spell Resistance for 21 seconds. You gain Minor Protection, reducing incoming damage by 8% for 21 seconds.

Rohamad_Ali

That would make for a more powerful healing build for sure . My concern is on top of already removing its original function , the protection duration will be removed or shortened because it will be out performing other healing classes . We will have to wait and see . While I do not care for the change at all because it directly effects one of my builds , I understand healing and tank players are excited for a new approach and hope that it is at least optimized for them . Since there is no going back might as well hope for the best .

Strider__Roshin

A lot of you are saying that the duration should be 20 seconds due to the warden being able to have it for 20 seconds. Keep in mind that Nightblades get minor berserk for 20 seconds whereas the Warden only gets it for 10.

Therefore I believe 10 seconds would be a balanced duration. Less than that would be too weak, and more than 12 seconds with Dark Veil, and Dark Cloak fully leveled would be too strong.

Tasear

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

But cloak heals too

Ankael07

My only hope is that the NBs will stop saying their class is ''squishy'' with minor protection, major resistances and vigor+dark cloak HOTs.

Ragnaroek93

Would be nice if the heal would scale with the highest stat instead of max health so that nightblades who don't want to play a stealthy playstyle can use that morph too and not only tanks.

Strider__Roshin

Ankael07 wrote: »

My only hope is that the NBs will stop saying their class is ''squishy'' with minor protection, major resistances and vigor+dark cloak HOTs.

If the minor protection lasts a decent duration then that would make non shadowy disguise Nightblades tanky.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Tasear wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

But cloak heals too

Cloak has no heals tied to it.

Drdeath20

1st step in removing invisibility from the game. Give it another function and then remove the old function.

JobooAGS

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

But cloak heals too

Cloak has no heals tied to it.

Next patch if nothing changes it will

Strider__Roshin

JobooAGS wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

But cloak heals too

Cloak has no heals tied to it.

Next patch if nothing changes it will

Yeah but they'll probably rename it next update.

LittlePinkDot

What I want to know is how good is the heal from Dark Cloak going to be?
Im wondering if I can replace Rally with it. Which will allow me to get rid of 2H and use SnB instead.
I had never tried SnB before but im already leveling it up. And holy crap does that shield ever make blocking good! My stamblade is going to be a DW/SnB tank!

Strider__Roshin

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

What I want to know is how good is the heal from Dark Cloak going to be?
Im wondering if I can replace Rally with it. Which will allow me to get rid of 2H and use SnB instead.
I had never tried SnB before but im already leveling it up. And holy crap does that shield ever make blocking good! My stamblade is going to be a DW/SnB tank!

You're still lacking a means of Major Brutality. Also in PvP the heal is going to be meh. You're looking at a 3200 heal with battle spirit, and a 5100 heal if it crits. Not terrible, but rally is not only a stronger heal, but a means of Major Brutality.

LittlePinkDot

Daus wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

What I want to know is how good is the heal from Dark Cloak going to be?
Im wondering if I can replace Rally with it. Which will allow me to get rid of 2H and use SnB instead.
I had never tried SnB before but im already leveling it up. And holy crap does that shield ever make blocking good! My stamblade is going to be a DW/SnB tank!

You're still lacking a means of Major Brutality. Also in PvP the heal is going to be meh. You're looking at a 3200 heal with battle spirit, and a 5100 heal if it crits. Not terrible, but rally is not only a stronger heal, but a means of Major Brutality.

Flying dagger has major brutality. I got it covered. And defensive posture has a heal.

victoriana-blue

General notes, I really like that the choice is between "stealthy but squishy" or "self-heal and sturdy." It's a meaningful choice, and let's be real if a nb could cloak away while healing 1/3 of their max health, that'd be broken as all get out. That said, I can see this being useful to me mostly while soloing; healers over-heal so much that if my tank's health drops below 90% there are bigger problems in the group.

I'm looking forward to this PTS more than any since Homestead, I hope I can take my NB tank back to trials & vet dlc again soon. /crosses fingers

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

Or maybe add minor expedition as this is a defense move getting gone would be helpful

The devs are gradually turning Shadow into the tanking tree, and the existing morph of Dark Cloak already has minor protection; if you want the expedition there are other skills in the class to get it, like Double Take and Path. Besides which, s&b tanks already have a nice passive for movement speed while blocking.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

JobooAGS wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

But cloak heals too

Cloak has no heals tied to it.

Next patch if nothing changes it will

Where did you get that from?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

JobooAGS wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

But cloak heals too

Cloak has no heals tied to it.

Next patch if nothing changes it will

Where did you get that from?

Toast_STS

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

But cloak heals too

Cloak has no heals tied to it.

Next patch if nothing changes it will

Where did you get that from?

https://alcasthq.com/eso-summerset-isles-changes-pre-pts/

Dark Cloak
This morph was completely changed, this now heals for 33% of your max health. Does not put you in stealth anymore.

Jeezye

I’m am incredibly tuned up by this change, as I’ve always been preaching that night blades are in desperate need for a burst heal (instead of another HoT, offering...). That being said, the only occasion where NBs lack healing power is tanking. Mag and stamblades have enough healing output already, so the 33% hp heal is just the right way to not overtune offensive nbs. I’m more worried that the heal will be too bad in pvp, even with 30k hp it’ll only be 5k before buffs/rebuffs. I hope they implement another mechanic to this skill to buff the healing, e.g. by damage taken.

Strider__Roshin

Jeezye wrote: »

I’m am incredibly tuned up by this change, as I’ve always been preaching that night blades are in desperate need for a burst heal (instead of another HoT, offering...). That being said, the only occasion where NBs lack healing power is tanking. Mag and stamblades have enough healing output already, so the 33% hp heal is just the right way to not overtune offensive nbs. I’m more worried that the heal will be too bad in pvp, even with 30k hp it’ll only be 5k before buffs/rebuffs. I hope they implement another mechanic to this skill to buff the healing, e.g. by damage taken.

Well it gives minor protection, but if it only lasts 3-5 seconds then it's not worth mentioning. That's why I'm hoping it will last 10-12 seconds. This will make it a reliable mitigation buff.

Jarryzzt

My read is you take Dark Cloak for the burst heal. Even as a DPS that's probably a more efficient way for solo-type content (or PUGs even, considering), provided you have a flex slot to burn (because it'll work out to what, 6k per cast or so, assuming "normal" DPS stats?). And certainly for tanks this sounds like a must-have, though NB tanks are a bit of an endangered species at the moment.

Anything else tacked on, if anything, is a bonus that is not the key reason to take or not take the skill. And certainly not worth worrying about. Or comping to Warden/whatever (because you're comping a burst heal to a 20 second mitigation buff which...is exactly the same! only completely different!).

Jeezye

Jarryzzt wrote: »

My read is you take Dark Cloak for the burst heal. Even as a DPS that's probably a more efficient way for solo-type content (or PUGs even, considering), provided you have a flex slot to burn (because it'll work out to what, 6k per cast or so, assuming "normal" DPS stats?). And certainly for tanks this sounds like a must-have, though NB tanks are a bit of an endangered species at the moment.

As DPS there is (and should!) be better ways for healing. Magicka uses healing wars and shields, stamina uses vigor and rally combined with dodge rolls and cloak. This morph is supposed to help tanks be more competitive, since they neither have access to reliable cloaks, nor shields or dodges.

Of course this skill can’t be compared to ice fortress, and I think 5 seconds of minor protection is pretty reasonable given you will get it when you are under pressure, hence healing.

LittlePinkDot

Jeezye wrote: »

Jarryzzt wrote: »

My read is you take Dark Cloak for the burst heal. Even as a DPS that's probably a more efficient way for solo-type content (or PUGs even, considering), provided you have a flex slot to burn (because it'll work out to what, 6k per cast or so, assuming "normal" DPS stats?). And certainly for tanks this sounds like a must-have, though NB tanks are a bit of an endangered species at the moment.

As DPS there is (and should!) be better ways for healing. Magicka uses healing wars and shields, stamina uses vigor and rally combined with dodge rolls and cloak. This morph is supposed to help tanks be more competitive, since they neither have access to reliable cloaks, nor shields or dodges.

Of course this skill can’t be compared to ice fortress, and I think 5 seconds of minor protection is pretty reasonable given you will get it when you are under pressure, hence healing.

I figured the new dark cloak could be a way to not be forced to use 2H for rally in pvp.
When it comes to balance, I think somethings wrong if practically ever stam character has to use 2H.

Jeezye

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

Jarryzzt wrote: »

My read is you take Dark Cloak for the burst heal. Even as a DPS that's probably a more efficient way for solo-type content (or PUGs even, considering), provided you have a flex slot to burn (because it'll work out to what, 6k per cast or so, assuming "normal" DPS stats?). And certainly for tanks this sounds like a must-have, though NB tanks are a bit of an endangered species at the moment.

As DPS there is (and should!) be better ways for healing. Magicka uses healing wars and shields, stamina uses vigor and rally combined with dodge rolls and cloak. This morph is supposed to help tanks be more competitive, since they neither have access to reliable cloaks, nor shields or dodges.

Of course this skill can’t be compared to ice fortress, and I think 5 seconds of minor protection is pretty reasonable given you will get it when you are under pressure, hence healing.

I figured the new dark cloak could be a way to not be forced to use 2H for rally in pvp.
When it comes to balance, I think somethings wrong if practically ever stam character has to use 2H.

I hate being forced to use 2h on my Stam builds too, but usually I’d run it anyways due to execute, rally and critical charge. I think you may be able to run this skill as heal per se, though you might need to invest into hp to reach the 30k mark. I’m actually looking much forward to create my old heavy armor khajit stamblade, maybe the dark cloak might work for him as well.

Maura_Neysa

olsborg wrote: »

Warden has a 20s minor protection skill so obviously nightblades is fine with 5s. Logic:)

Templar has had it since launch. Besides Cloak is 100% damage reduction, if you need more than 5sec to ghost then something else is going wrong beside a skill.