How many buttons is your burst? (On avg, DoT builds need not apply))

Kova

I was completing some writs in craglorn on my sorc when I was randomly challenged by a Stam dk in the square. It finished with a stalemate only because I have a build specifically to survive against stamina burst. We ended up emoting honors, as one should, and talked about different builds and such. Fun night, to say the least.

During the fight, I used mines to keep some distance, but each time the dk just roll-dodged around me and hit every single mine to clear them, barely scratching his health. I used this towards the end to give my biggest burst possible. As he hit the final mine, I dropped a timed HA+force pulse+dawnbreaker+procced frag+curse+mages fury and dropped them to......half health...well, 47%.

On my stam nb, I can two shot most people from stealth. So comparing the two really made me think about what "skill" really is, because survival plays out differently with each class.

What is your usual button count to burst/kill someone from max health?

On my nb, it's maybe 3 or 4 buttons including light/heavy attacks. On my sorc it's the usual 6 to 7, or maybe 8 if I use an ulti. My other characters are DoT setups so I can't really use them.

Avran_Sylt

Hmm. Well for me my max burst is Rapids(gapcloser) + Proxy Det + Apply Merciless Resolve + Cloak up to Target + Concealed Weapon + Light Attack + Incap + Sap Essence.

So at minimum 8 buttons. It'll be 9 once I level Mages guild and get the Might of the Guild passive and I can fit an empower in there.

For general burst it's just Cloak + CW + LA + Incap + Sap Essence, which is at minimum 5 buttons.

ak_pvp

On an ult burst on my DK its like 5/6. Entropy, Inhale, fossilize, leap, whip (+PL). It can kill squishier targets pretty well they are unaware/expecting. About 10 including weaves.

Same on a proper fight, but embers, spiked armour and entropy will usually be on before. So its not from max health and into the dot turf.

Haquor

Stam warden 4.

Ragnarock41

I'm a stamDk, what is burst?

Checkmath

Magplar: 6-8
Magdk: what burst?

Solariken

6-7 minimum on my Templar and Dk builds (including light weaves), all back-end burst. Stamblade, mag/stamsorc, and stamwarden generally 3-4 front-end burst.

Dracane

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I'm a stamDk, what is burst?

For example Uppercut>Dragon Jump>Executes.
Your burst is formidable and worlds better than MagSorc or MagWarden burst. Sometimes, the DK complains are getting ridiculous.

Waffennacht

Right now on my warden I actually just cast AoE Dots and let my proc sets do the burst

So like 3/4

ak_pvp

Dracane wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I'm a stamDk, what is burst?

For example Uppercut>Dragon Jump>Executes.
Your burst is formidable and worlds better than MagSorc or MagWarden burst. Sometimes, the DK complains are getting ridiculous.

You mean Magden, the class with the unblockable leap damage every 3s has worse burst than stamDK? Bird isn't an instawin on medium anymore, shock, horror. The beetle, bird, beam combo was massive and I deleted many an NB with it. If they fix the lack of usable pre CC, then it'll be fine, but last I heard some people were using master staves.

Magsorc burst may be predictable and stopped quite easily, and that is a problem, but so is uppercut. They have better pressure between full burst combos tools too. A StamDK has some eh dots. Most recently, dots+ LA-ransack-bash. is the new meta. Which is a low-cost wear-down considerably less bursty than a sorc.

Maybe a MagDK has high potential burst with things like valkyn and FOO and inhale. (Read: potential, quite high sacrifice) But a stamDK doesn't, pretty much just leap for burst.

Narvuntien

Radiant mage light + Focused Aim + Cloak. (+ Focused Aim). I wish my lag was less so I could fire two snipes and still have enough time to cloak.

Radiant Magelight + Cloak + Onslaught.

3.. more if you count (immovable) potions

Ragnarock41

Dracane wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I'm a stamDk, what is burst?

For example Uppercut>Dragon Jump>Executes.
Your burst is formidable and worlds better than MagSorc or MagWarden burst. Sometimes, the DK complains are getting ridiculous.

To be honest I was just kidding, but If we're talking serious you are comparing apples to oranges, as I am a Sword and board stamDK, and I know my class good enough to realize that dizzying swing is a sub-optimal skill when I can do similar damage with heroic weave and have much efficient 1v1 pressure+survivability.

Stam bois and mag bois are very different. If you do think stamDk burst is solid , I can't even imagine how hard you fail against literally any other stam toon, as stamDK is the weakest hitting one , and the only one that completely relies on ults for kills.

Dracane

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I'm a stamDk, what is burst?

For example Uppercut>Dragon Jump>Executes.
Your burst is formidable and worlds better than MagSorc or MagWarden burst. Sometimes, the DK complains are getting ridiculous.

To be honest I was just kidding, but If we're talking serious you are comparing apples to oranges, as I am a Sword and board stamDK, and I know my class good enough to realize that dizzying swing is a sub-optimal skill when I can do similar damage with heroic weave and have much efficient 1v1 pressure+survivability.

Stam bois and mag bois are very different. If you do think stamDk burst is solid , I can't even imagine how hard you fail against literally any other stam toon, as stamDK is the weakest hitting one , and the only one that completely relies on ults for kills.

No question, DK burst is not even close to OP as NB and StamWarden burst, especially not as braindead and spammable.
My boyfriend is a stamDK and we pvp alot together and his burst is formidable in my eyes, it gets us so many kills. It's not 100 too 0 burst as Wardens do. But it works and honestly, you shouldn't be attempting to burst someone who is full health. You hurt them a little first

Silver_Strider

Incap

GreenSoup2HoT

Stealth Burst: Heavy, Incap, Light, killers blade.

All though with Dw your death recap will look like: Heavy, offhand heavy, main enchant, incap, light, 2nd enchant,(insert desired procs here: seleane/viper), killers blade.

Most of my targets under 28k hp die but i dont play much anymore.

Maulkin

On behalf of all non-pet MagSorcs.... 4:
LA+Curse->LA+Fury->LA+Reach->LA+Frag.

jaws343

Kova wrote: »

I was completing some writs in craglorn on my sorc when I was randomly challenged by a Stam dk in the square. It finished with a stalemate only because I have a build specifically to survive against stamina burst. We ended up emoting honors, as one should, and talked about different builds and such. Fun night, to say the least.

During the fight, I used mines to keep some distance, but each time the dk just roll-dodged around me and hit every single mine to clear them, barely scratching his health. I used this towards the end to give my biggest burst possible. As he hit the final mine, I dropped a timed HA+force pulse+dawnbreaker+procced frag+curse+mages fury and dropped them to......half health...well, 47%.

On my stam nb, I can two shot most people from stealth. So comparing the two really made me think about what "skill" really is, because survival plays out differently with each class.

What is your usual button count to burst/kill someone from max health?

On my nb, it's maybe 3 or 4 buttons including light/heavy attacks. On my sorc it's the usual 6 to 7, or maybe 8 if I use an ulti. My other characters are DoT setups so I can't really use them.

I find it interesting that my two sorcs have different time to kill in a duel. My PVE sorc can drop someone in 3-4 button presses: Curse, force pulse, fury, frag and maybe another force pulse if absolutely necessary. But my actual PVP sorc may take a bit longer and I usually have to use a meteor and a CC to get the kill.

Most likely because my PVP sorc is geared to survive open world, it takes a few more buttons to get a kill.

Ragnarock41

Dracane wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I'm a stamDk, what is burst?

For example Uppercut>Dragon Jump>Executes.
Your burst is formidable and worlds better than MagSorc or MagWarden burst. Sometimes, the DK complains are getting ridiculous.

To be honest I was just kidding, but If we're talking serious you are comparing apples to oranges, as I am a Sword and board stamDK, and I know my class good enough to realize that dizzying swing is a sub-optimal skill when I can do similar damage with heroic weave and have much efficient 1v1 pressure+survivability.

Stam bois and mag bois are very different. If you do think stamDk burst is solid , I can't even imagine how hard you fail against literally any other stam toon, as stamDK is the weakest hitting one , and the only one that completely relies on ults for kills.

No question, DK burst is not even close to OP as NB and StamWarden burst, especially not as braindead and spammable.
My boyfriend is a stamDK and we pvp alot together and his burst is formidable in my eyes, it gets us so many kills. It's not 100 too 0 burst as Wardens do. But it works and honestly, you shouldn't be attempting to burst someone who is full health. You hurt them a little first

Oh, leap is very solid indeed. You can make an entire build based around it. But that being said every class with dawnbreaker can do similar burst. A Dk built for damage will hit ridicilously hard leaps, which is his reward for playing aggressive.