thankyourat wrote: »I have never really understood this topic most 1vXers have a back ground in dueling. I really look at it as 1vXing is the next step up after dueling. I have never met a good 1vXer who couldn't duel. But I know plenty of duelist who can't 1vX they have to play small groups. Also the level of skill required for dueling as dropped so much. It's really all about creating the most cheese build you can create for bragging rights. I remember when I would just hang out in the sewers and duel for hours it was fun and skillful you really didn't see the super dueling build you see now. We basically just dueled in our regular gear.
Of course good 1vXers are more impressive.
You can fight potatoes both dueling and 1vXing.
It's more impressive to fight 10 potatoes than 1, and it's more impressive to fight 10 great players than 1 (it's just more difficult, which is why most 1vX videos are one fantastic player against 3-4 good players and 1-2 potatoes.
Good duelers tend to be 1vXers in focused (aka:cheesy) 1v1 builds. But I sure do enjoy watching a good 1vX way more than a cheese build duel. I would be interested in watching two people with the same build duel. If you are 1vXing, then you are fighting players who are worse then you, or at least they are in that moment, but it doesn't necessary mean that they are always all potatoes. A good 1vX is way more fun to watch, and tends to be more impressive (assuming it's not just mashing potatoes).
Dueling is a great way to prepare for 1vXing. Getting comfortable in your build, and being able to quickly burst players is extremely important. If you simplify 1vXing, it is often a series of short 1v1s where you blow somebody up while kiting or tanking their friends, so being a good dueler is a necessity of a good 1vXer.
Even if you are fighting complete potatoes, could you not argue that you are just better at dueling then them?
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Duels used to be fun before everyone just created duel only cheese builds. Right now duels are full of defile builds and petsorcs while all other builds are left in the dust (it's also the fault from ZOS to some extend for releasing cheesy sets which only work in duels). That said, I don't think that 1vX is super impressive either, smashing people who have far less experience isn't quality PvP nor can it ever be considered to be competitive.
The most impressive thing in my opinion would be battlegrounds if they would finally add matchmaking and seperate premade and solo queue. I also like the fact about them that the game mode you get is random so people are forced to play well-adjusted builds instead of creating something super cheesy which only works in deathmatch for example.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Almost anyone can do 1vx in this game provided decent skills . Cp 160 vs cp 720 is almost 100 percent effective on cps alone . Dps 50 percent increase . Defense 50 percent increase . Cp 720 player can one shot multiple cp160 players. It's not prove anything other than you are a ok and try to fool others. If you want really become good in PvP play 1v1 with good players. You will get what you are weakness are. 1vx is garbage other than ap farming and show off.
now ya got me wondering wozborne - what got you thinking about this...
i'm not familiar with dueling, just fighting in cyrodiil - I actually though feel less bad about getting killed by someone if the are also killing a few other folks too...
although bombers look super cool when they take out a half dozen or so different players, seems a little less impressive though than someone who is able to dodge roll, block, shield, heal and burst their way through 2 or 3 different players...
I’ve been dueling a lot on my Magsorc lately. Usually I can hold my own pretty well and have decent fights even if I Get beat. But some players (typically Atrocity members) like SpadeV_2 and others just absolutely destroy me, like not even close. Those people honestly impress me way more then someone that kills me with a cheap Dizzying Swing>DB after they been running around a rock for minutes on end. Yes, I get outplayed by both, but in one fight I’m fully ready to fight and have no excuse, and in the other it’s more not being able to hit them and then they surprise me when I’m not expecting it. Anyways sorry for the long winded explanation, but that’s how I got thinking about it since you asked.
killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »1vx means running around like a hamster in dire need of a wheel inside or in the close vicinity to a tower. How that can evenr be considered skillful is beyond my comprehension. Personally I find it only painful and will spend all my playing time Tbagging any idiot trying to do that if/when I finally stop them. Quadruple stam spent on running /dodging and cheesing around towers. Create a swamp environment inside and outside each one or if possible in a perfect world just remove completely resource towers and bring back some decency to cyrodiil. I honestly hope all 1vx resource tower runners get zerged down and mass Tbagged every day all the time and I do not mind admitting I create zergs to shut them down and emote all sort of rude emotes I can come up with. Heroes? Skills? Are you kidding me? What about a big fat NO
JXNwarrior wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »1vx means running around like a hamster in dire need of a wheel inside or in the close vicinity to a tower. How that can evenr be considered skillful is beyond my comprehension. Personally I find it only painful and will spend all my playing time Tbagging any idiot trying to do that if/when I finally stop them. Quadruple stam spent on running /dodging and cheesing around towers. Create a swamp environment inside and outside each one or if possible in a perfect world just remove completely resource towers and bring back some decency to cyrodiil. I honestly hope all 1vx resource tower runners get zerged down and mass Tbagged every day all the time and I do not mind admitting I create zergs to shut them down and emote all sort of rude emotes I can come up with. Heroes? Skills? Are you kidding me? What about a big fat NO
you have contributed nothing to this debate besides complaining that 1vX'ers are hard to zerg down so you want to change the game entirely so you can kill and grief them because they are better players than you.
killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »JXNwarrior wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »1vx means running around like a hamster in dire need of a wheel inside or in the close vicinity to a tower. How that can evenr be considered skillful is beyond my comprehension. Personally I find it only painful and will spend all my playing time Tbagging any idiot trying to do that if/when I finally stop them. Quadruple stam spent on running /dodging and cheesing around towers. Create a swamp environment inside and outside each one or if possible in a perfect world just remove completely resource towers and bring back some decency to cyrodiil. I honestly hope all 1vx resource tower runners get zerged down and mass Tbagged every day all the time and I do not mind admitting I create zergs to shut them down and emote all sort of rude emotes I can come up with. Heroes? Skills? Are you kidding me? What about a big fat NO
you have contributed nothing to this debate besides complaining that 1vX'ers are hard to zerg down so you want to change the game entirely so you can kill and grief them because they are better players than you.
Tell me, just try to explain me what is so special about sprinting around inside or outside a resource tower until you die. 1vx' arent hard to zerg down. They die to any group of competent players in less than 1 minute of that group consists of more than 4 players. It does not proove anything about being skillful at PVP'ing. It shows how you can slime and sleaze your way around obstacles for as long as possible. Hell, its not even PVP, its like fkin olympic game simulator. Its a little bit BELOW horse-simulator in skill, which you play a bit already in cyrodiil. Only thing you got right is about kill and grief them. Yes, I proudly admit I will greaf all those hamsterwheel addicts until they stop waisint my ***-time and change the meta of cyrodiil into actual PvP'ing. I say YES to the removal of resource towers, make small camps instead, and ANY REAL skilful 1vx' wont have a problem with that. Its the bunch of clueless noobs and wannabe blobs/fasolds who need the walls as a crutch to support their weak and lack of any competence. Every now they ruin a couple of minutes of the life of a potato but most of all they annoy me the hell because they really THINK theyre actually good with that running. Same goes for all sorcs with a spring up their ass btw. Hope it breaks and you get diarrhea. Rant over. Continue your e-peen rubbing. PvP? Theres nothing absolutely nothing beating the skills of a good competent team in AvA. Thats why its fkin alliance versus alliance and not easter bunny racing.
now ya got me wondering wozborne - what got you thinking about this...
i'm not familiar with dueling, just fighting in cyrodiil - I actually though feel less bad about getting killed by someone if the are also killing a few other folks too...
although bombers look super cool when they take out a half dozen or so different players, seems a little less impressive though than someone who is able to dodge roll, block, shield, heal and burst their way through 2 or 3 different players...
I’ve been dueling a lot on my Magsorc lately. Usually I can hold my own pretty well and have decent fights even if I Get beat. But some players (typically Atrocity members) like SpadeV_2 and others just absolutely destroy me, like not even close. Those people honestly impress me way more then someone that kills me with a cheap Dizzying Swing>DB after they been running around a rock for minutes on end. Yes, I get outplayed by both, but in one fight I’m fully ready to fight and have no excuse, and in the other it’s more not being able to hit them and then they surprise me when I’m not expecting it. Anyways sorry for the long winded explanation, but that’s how I got thinking about it since you asked.
@wozborne
#1 point is that a duel or 1vx is only impressive in an open world build.
Second, a proper 1vx is really just a bunch of isolated duels, dividing and conquering. I've done some 1vxs vs players that would hold their own in a 1v1. Hell, I've even x'd on people that I've lost to on occasion 1v1. You can win a 1vx vs equally skilled players, hence the existence of "expose" videos. What it comes down to is accurately assessing the situation and reacting accordingly, all on top of the combat mechanics that you would require in a duel. Those 1vx clips where you see 1vx'ers dropping 2-3 bodies all at once are only posted in montages. Lookup Miamiheat or Malcolm on youtube if you want to see some legit MagSorc 1vx's/
I'd say the biggest difference between you and Atrocity members is that they know how to differentiate between offensive and defensive windows. I'm pretty sure I've run with Spade at one point, Spade knows how to 1vx/outnumber. I'm also pretty sure we're in the same guild and that I've x'd on you on my stamblade xD which isn't my main class.
If you'd like we can run a duo/duel and I can point out why you're getting creamed by Atrocity members as I'm a magsorc main. Keep in mind that those are part of the elite players, I personally can't consistently beat them but if I were to duel them they would be the long,boring fights that pretty much only end when someone (usually me) gets punished for a mistake.