Pvp balance patches. And the most annoying thing in pvp.

ThorinWolfgang

What is the most annoying staff in pvp at your opinion?
And what do you think about frequency of release of balance-patches?

Thogard

Earthgore

Earthgooooooorrrrreeeeee

TheBonesXXX

Passive Evasion, all of those other things are fine.

I dont use Evasion, so I dodge roll quit a bit.

Streak spamming is nothing compared to the first year of ESO.

Permablockers die to bleeds and poisons.

Healbots are a necessary part of PvP even though purge is annoying. (nature of my build)

I dont think I've seen Earthgore.

Premades at Battlegrounds are fine, no one likes unorganized groups if they're competitive.

Sub Assault and Dawnbreaker is the most obviously telegraphed combo in the game.

Mage's Fury is a pain in the ***, but usually indicates that you got hit with a bunch of other things .

Cloak only sucks when a nightblade is actually good at misdirection.

Damage shields have a CP soft counter and a set hardcounter.

Evasion irks me.

VaranisArano

Lag. Its definitely the lag. And the loading screens and the disconnects.

Can anyone tell me which class to nerf in order to get rid of the lag?

Biro123

Counts 3 separate categories on spec skills.. It's a nerf sorc thread!

Nah, for me, its just general indestructableness.. Some people I can one shot with my burst, but there are others where their health bar hardly moves. Its not blocking, I'm not sure what it is, I see it mostly in small groups, so I'm guessing its a combination of high mitigation, multiple defensive buffs and hots, and stuff like troll king and earthgore etc. But then they dish out very respectable burst too.

Oh an lag.. Its definitely lag that had me beat today...

lazerlaz

Permblocking

If you think the problem is earthgore you're def doing it wrong lol.

montiferus

Definitely NOT steak spamming. I love my red meat!!!!

Sixty5

Your issues break down as follows:

1, 2, 3 cp
4 The fact that healers exist
5 Earthgore
6 People having friends
7 Warden
8 Sorc
9 Nightblade
10 Magicka builds

In regards to that, I'd say that CP is the issue, and that if anything, I'd like to see Befoul get a nerf hammer, because that star is the worst.

ofSunhold

Earthgore

Earthgore needs to be purified in flame.

Everything else on your list is fine with me, but I agree with everybody who said "lag." Lag is OP.

Hippie4927

Steak spamming

You can spam steaks at me anytime!

Domander

I'd like a "super stamina damage" option. Nerf stam.

IZZEFlameLash

Earthgore

Earthgore: Did you want those kills? *Procs and heals everyone out of execution range.*

Feanor

Steak spamming

Love me some medium rare steaks .)

Vapirko

What the heck kind of poll is this and what should it accomplish?

As for the frequency of meaningful PvP related updates I’d give ZOS 1 disappearing ultimate out of 5.

Marabornwingrion

Mage's Fury (sorc execute ability) and imposion

WTB AoE execute for nightblades.

Subversus

Steak spamming

Steaks have no place in this game!!!!

Feanor

Steak spamming

Astrid_V wrote: »

WTB AoE execute for nightblades.

You have a 28m execute that deals 300% more damage to targets below 25% HP. Sounds sufficient to me...

Vapirko

Astrid_V wrote: »

WTB AoE execute for nightblades.

It’s called steel tornado.

GeorgeBlack

Builds that manage easy infinate resource management, while at the same time they can burst in 2 seconds.
Zos should have tackled that loooooong time ago


And SnB

Maura_Neysa

The most annoying thing in PvP is unimaginative whining because this build or that build kills them.

- Dodge Rolling, effective defense. Keep them at it until they are out of stamina.
- Streak spamming, run them out of resources. Can't even spam it because of the built in double cost
- Healbots, hit them with Defile, they wont last long
- Earthgore, 30 second cool down, keep the pressure up
- Premades, meta changes, and they die. Make your own group and they aren't an issue
- Sub + Dawn - one trick ponies, you know whats coming deal with it
- Mage's Fury - effective in groups, useless solo. Good balance
- Shadow Cloak - CC them and crush them, or ignore them. They're either squishballs or a waste of time.
- Damage Shields - good defense, lay on the DPS. They are either wasting their resources shield stacking or they are using them to kill you.

What do you just want a bunch of potatoes running around? How F-ing boring.
Frequency, fairly good. There needs to be enough time to find a equilibrium before making an adjustment. After all, its taken 6 months for people to find StamWarden 50k builds and Mag Warden 35k builds. Probably only 3 months for someone to find it and 3+ and counting for people to start believing it.

del9

Earthgore

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

The most annoying thing in PvP is unimaginative whining because this build or that build kills them.
- Earthgore, 30 second cool down, keep the pressure up

Earthgore is completely unbalanced and deserves every bit of whining. 30s cooldown cool except most of your team has dumped their ultis.. playing against a large group? 2nd one will proc. It is so broken, please get real.

OdinForge

Earthgore

Earthgore.

Get that **** out of here.

IZZEFlameLash

Earthgore

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

The most annoying thing in PvP is unimaginative whining because this build or that build kills them.

- Dodge Rolling, effective defense. Keep them at it until they are out of stamina.
- Streak spamming, run them out of resources. Can't even spam it because of the built in double cost
- Healbots, hit them with Defile, they wont last long
- Earthgore, 30 second cool down, keep the pressure up
- Premades, meta changes, and they die. Make your own group and they aren't an issue
- Sub + Dawn - one trick ponies, you know whats coming deal with it
- Mage's Fury - effective in groups, useless solo. Good balance
- Shadow Cloak - CC them and crush them, or ignore them. They're either squishballs or a waste of time.
- Damage Shields - good defense, lay on the DPS. They are either wasting their resources shield stacking or they are using them to kill you.

What do you just want a bunch of potatoes running around? How F-ing boring.
Frequency, fairly good. There needs to be enough time to find a equilibrium before making an adjustment. After all, its taken 6 months for people to find StamWarden 50k builds and Mag Warden 35k builds. Probably only 3 months for someone to find it and 3+ and counting for people to start believing it.

Earthgore heals are often enough to make builds last another 30 seconds to proc it again and again because you basically have to start from 0 again. And I believe you switched 50k and 35k around with those wardens. There are better builds for stamwardens to run around than 50k stam.

CaliMade

Subterranean Assault + Dawnbreaker

Oh your fighting multiple people on an immoble class? How about you take 8k unblockable damage from my ground AoE thats you can’t see because of the other myriad of effects going off on your screen. And lets never mind the fact that dawnbreaker occasionally goes through block. Thats neither here nor there, nor is it intended(?).

Oh! and on the off chace you aren't getting zerged down let me just come from out of frame and smack you with the gap closer dawnbreaker Sub assault. Your bad because you should clearly see me coming, recognize that im a warden and side step my gap closer Sub assault, because there’s absolutley no way you have an unpurgable snare on you. You should have dodge rolled, on your mag class that is low on stam from blocking because you have no mobility or dodge chance. Oh why dont you use sheilds on you mag class that dont have max magic buffs? That 7k dampen magic will totally save your life.

You can compare every offensive skill on every class and nothing will come close to this skill. A friend of mine can pull a 16k (thats complimented by a17k DB and a 17k Dizzy swing) tooltip with over 2k recovery and tankiness rivaling the toughest. But no its fine. Its avoidable so its balaced.

Maura_Neysa

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

The most annoying thing in PvP is unimaginative whining because this build or that build kills them.

- Dodge Rolling, effective defense. Keep them at it until they are out of stamina.
- Streak spamming, run them out of resources. Can't even spam it because of the built in double cost
- Healbots, hit them with Defile, they wont last long
- Earthgore, 30 second cool down, keep the pressure up
- Premades, meta changes, and they die. Make your own group and they aren't an issue
- Sub + Dawn - one trick ponies, you know whats coming deal with it
- Mage's Fury - effective in groups, useless solo. Good balance
- Shadow Cloak - CC them and crush them, or ignore them. They're either squishballs or a waste of time.
- Damage Shields - good defense, lay on the DPS. They are either wasting their resources shield stacking or they are using them to kill you.

What do you just want a bunch of potatoes running around? How F-ing boring.
Frequency, fairly good. There needs to be enough time to find a equilibrium before making an adjustment. After all, its taken 6 months for people to find StamWarden 50k builds and Mag Warden 35k builds. Probably only 3 months for someone to find it and 3+ and counting for people to start believing it.

Earthgore heals are often enough to make builds last another 30 seconds to proc it again and again because you basically have to start from 0 again. And I believe you switched 50k and 35k around with those wardens. There are better builds for stamwardens to run around than 50k stam.

@IZZEFlamelash Earthgore is only worth running in ball zerg groups. Boring game play if you ask me. Earthgore is powerful, sure but also only the best option with people without the awareness to be ready for, get out of, and counter the inevitable Negate/Storm/Vicious death bomb. You know its coming, don't stand in stupid, even if the stupid isn't visible yet.
Oh by the way BoL will also make you start over from 0 and it has no cooldown. One Earthgore proc every 30 seconds for 30k or 2 BoL in 2 seconds for 30k heals. How in the world do you come up with "Unbalanced"
@del9 there's the "real" for you, here is some more
- Troll King - 15k heals over 10seconds with 100% uptime possible. (45k Heals vs Earthgore's 30k)
- Choke Thorn - 20k heals over 4 seconds every 10seconds. (60k heals vs Earthgore's 30k) single target though instead of AoE
- NightFlame - Don't feel like getting out of stupid? 3.4k heals a second for 5 second and procs every 6 seconds. (104k heals AoE vs Earthgore's 30k.) Radius sucks, and you need a lot of HoTs to keep it up.
- Scourge Harvester 5.8k heals a second + Major Vitality for 4 seconds every 6 seconds. (116k heals vs Earthgore's 30k.)
Is that enough "real" for you?

No I didn't get my Wardens backward. I also don't qoute group parse numbers. Ive seen solo parse numbers of:
- 49k Stam Warden
- 38k Mag Warden
Perhaps there are better ones out there, but Mag doesn't beat Stam, not solo. Personally, while I cant hit those numbers, my Stam Warden out DPS my Mag Warden also, by about 5k. Plus that Mag Warden "on-cooldown" rotation is so not fun on console.

IZZEFlameLash

Earthgore

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

The most annoying thing in PvP is unimaginative whining because this build or that build kills them.

- Dodge Rolling, effective defense. Keep them at it until they are out of stamina.
- Streak spamming, run them out of resources. Can't even spam it because of the built in double cost
- Healbots, hit them with Defile, they wont last long
- Earthgore, 30 second cool down, keep the pressure up
- Premades, meta changes, and they die. Make your own group and they aren't an issue
- Sub + Dawn - one trick ponies, you know whats coming deal with it
- Mage's Fury - effective in groups, useless solo. Good balance
- Shadow Cloak - CC them and crush them, or ignore them. They're either squishballs or a waste of time.
- Damage Shields - good defense, lay on the DPS. They are either wasting their resources shield stacking or they are using them to kill you.

What do you just want a bunch of potatoes running around? How F-ing boring.
Frequency, fairly good. There needs to be enough time to find a equilibrium before making an adjustment. After all, its taken 6 months for people to find StamWarden 50k builds and Mag Warden 35k builds. Probably only 3 months for someone to find it and 3+ and counting for people to start believing it.

Earthgore heals are often enough to make builds last another 30 seconds to proc it again and again because you basically have to start from 0 again. And I believe you switched 50k and 35k around with those wardens. There are better builds for stamwardens to run around than 50k stam.

@IZZEFlamelash Earthgore is only worth running in ball zerg groups. Boring game play if you ask me. Earthgore is powerful, sure but also only the best option with people without the awareness to be ready for, get out of, and counter the inevitable Negate/Storm/Vicious death bomb. You know its coming, don't stand in stupid, even if the stupid isn't visible yet.
Oh by the way BoL will also make you start over from 0 and it has no cooldown. One Earthgore proc every 30 seconds for 30k or 2 BoL in 2 seconds for 30k heals. How in the world do you come up with "Unbalanced"
@del9 there's the "real" for you, here is some more
- Troll King - 15k heals over 10seconds with 100% uptime possible. (45k Heals vs Earthgore's 30k)
- Choke Thorn - 20k heals over 4 seconds every 10seconds. (60k heals vs Earthgore's 30k) single target though instead of AoE
- NightFlame - Don't feel like getting out of stupid? 3.4k heals a second for 5 second and procs every 6 seconds. (104k heals AoE vs Earthgore's 30k.) Radius sucks, and you need a lot of HoTs to keep it up.
- Scourge Harvester 5.8k heals a second + Major Vitality for 4 seconds every 6 seconds. (116k heals vs Earthgore's 30k.)
Is that enough "real" for you?

No I didn't get my Wardens backward. I also don't qoute group parse numbers. Ive seen solo parse numbers of:
- 49k Stam Warden
- 38k Mag Warden
Perhaps there are better ones out there, but Mag doesn't beat Stam, not solo. Personally, while I cant hit those numbers, my Stam Warden out DPS my Mag Warden also, by about 5k. Plus that Mag Warden "on-cooldown" rotation is so not fun on console.

Oh you mean DPS numbers, not resource. And no...I've seen stam builds with Earthgore as their 1vX set of choice and they sure did last long while having 100% uptime on major expedition or cloak. Or they just face tank ultbomb with it. So... yeah... they are useful solo also.

DHale

None of those are a problem even if you are remotely competent.

Maura_Neysa

DHale wrote: »

None of those are a problem even if you are remotely competent.

And that right there is the root of the problem. People want the game to adapt to them, rather than them adapting to the game.

There is nothing on that list that even bothers me, much less annoys me.

Bam_Bam

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

None of those are a problem even if you are remotely competent.

And that right there is the root of the problem. People want the game to adapt to them, rather than them adapting to the game.

There is nothing on that list that even bothers me, much less annoys me.

Excellent post and so very true. I'd actually love for the devs to post something like;

"We've been watching the forums with great interest (//they haven't, they will watch people playing the game live). We have absolutely no intentions of making massive sporadic changes to any class. We designed the Nightblade class, primarily as a rogue/assassin-style class. Naturally, their abilities makes them incredibly dangerous and hard to spot. However, most of you calling for the nerf hammer are continually ill-prepared for dealing with such a class. For example you don't detection pots or speed pots. Instead you cry that we should remove Cloak. Well guess what? If you are struggling, you need to up your game and improve - you have the skills and facilities available to do this - we know because WE created them and WE use them EVERY DAY Iin test and when we we play, ouselves.

Adapt, or gtfo!

Sincerely, the development and PvP teams"

brandonv516

Surprised Zaan and Soul Assault combo isn't up there. I put my hand in that cookie jar and there are some mad folks.

Most annoying thing for me is anything that pulls me out of cloak!

geonsocal

l-a-g