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Why are people so against crown crates exactly? (I now know why)

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Logey7
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I'm not really getting why people are against them. They don't offer any advantages over other players, they don't change the game in anyways besides some cosmetics, it doesn't take away from the game, and they are entirely optional. People are acting like they are being forced to buy them or they are missing out if they don't get them. Sure they may lose out on some cool skin or a fancy new horse, but they aren't losing anything. Plus the people who basically live on the game get the added benefit of getting a cooler horse or a new pet, and also then you can support the game if you would like. It's not putting you at a disadvantage if you don't buy them people, so whats the problem?

I was definitely wrong about this. Thank you for all of you who helped me realize :smiley:
Edited by Logey7 on March 18, 2018 6:18AM
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  • Logey7
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    because buying a chance to get something sucks, and buying something directly and you know you will get the product is a good deal

    True, I won't argue with that XD
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  • Ratzkifal
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    I feel like a lot of stuff moved from being a permanent addition to the crown store to being a time exclusive offer that might later reappear in crown crates. That's a shame because I don't want to be pressured to buy or ripped off through the laws of mathematics. Just remember that the average Apex item costs about 200$ or so. That's a lot of DLCs and chapters right there.
    I hate seeing perfectly good and epic looking mounts locked behind gambling in overpriced crates when I would have bought them in the store for a reasonable price.
    At least the gems from the free crates are slowly building up.
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    I feel like a lot of stuff moved from being a permanent addition to the crown store to being a time exclusive offer that might later reappear in crown crates. That's a shame because I don't want to be pressured to buy or ripped off through the laws of mathematics. Just remember that the average Apex item costs about 200$ or so. That's a lot of DLCs and chapters right there.
    I hate seeing perfectly good and epic looking mounts locked behind gambling in overpriced crates when I would have bought them in the store for a reasonable price.
    At least the gems from the free crates are slowly building up.

    That is actually a good point, but they are still purely cosmetic and I'm not really seeing why people feel the need to get them anyways. I'm quite new to ESO though so I don't know much about it, but if the stuff in crown crates were available before, then I say that's definitely a really bad decision to take it out. Though if they got created purely for crown crates, I'm not seeing much harm
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  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    @Logey7 cuz right now Zo$ its neglecting even their own damn Crown Store in favor of Crown Crates and also right now Crown Crates have a built in lottery...like the Rng of the Rng to get the "hidden" mounts..im not sure people comprehend it main issue here but b4 with just crown store for a mount that good(like Dromathra senche was) you would pay a max of 5k crowns...now people don't understand they are paying way more than 5k crowns to get their wanted mounts and most don't even...instead they get stuck with countless gems that will never find actual use...I only got free crates and never bought one nor I will ever for the simple fact that this is exactly that DICE+EA did with their games...and look how good they got...ESO wont be able to take that kind of thing anymore and soon Zo$ will have to draw the line or a big shockweave will make their fairy town fall from the skies soon...everyone can feel it already...even them...and seriously ZoS bring if you need money that badly bring back the subscription requirement...I for one would gladly pay 30$ per month if you would start working on fixing the damn connection issues and bugs...also any plan on addressing Maw of Lorkhaj constant degrading state and bugs? we are crying since launch...we understand a DLC like that doesn't bring money anymore and its on the bottom of the list...but unlike others there are still those little few who enjoy a true challenge that's well done and not rng based(yes Asylum its a joke for PvE end-game and trial content...4 mechanics on a 15-20 minutes fight on hardmode with a lot of 1 shot hits its not a tactic) and has anyone of you even thinking about the current state of the game PvP? cuz right now its getting worse...whats even more worse its that the badness of things started to creep into PvE area which was somewhat "stable" (cuz playing with 20 fps in combat on a trial boss while having a powerplant rig its ok.)...and so much many other things I wont even bother to start writing the list again...seriously after 4 years...I can say that I am tired..i feel that my monitor is listening to me more out of pity...
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  • Bhaal5
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    Maybe be there view on gambling, or just against been ripped off by corporate greed?
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  • woufff
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    The problem for me with all these kind of crates, boxes etc. in online games is that there is no official information about the chances to win the big price. In any official lottery there is a legal obligation to publish theses chances to win, in crown crates there is not (yet!) such information (as far as I know) published officially.

    I'm fine to risk my money when I know my chances B)
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    woufff wrote: »
    The problem for me with all these kind of crates, boxes etc. in online games is that there is no official information about the chances to win the big price. In any official lottery there is a legal obligation to publish theses chances to win, in crown crates there is not (yet!) such information (as far as I know) published officially.

    I'm fine to risk my money when I know my chances B)

    And therein lies the rub: you don't have to take any chances. There is absolutely nothing in the Crown Crates that is needed to play, or 'win,' ESO. Nothing.
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    because buying a chance to get something sucks, and buying something directly and you know you will get the product is a good deal

    Ok so let's say I am buying 100 lottery tickets where the main price is (just as an example) dinner with a fauvorite actor in any restaurant I want , a thing I cannot buy anywhere I can only win this. I am not winning main price I am only winning few other things I could buy normally nothing super though. What is difference between that and crown crates ? Why QQing about not winning grand price in lottery would be considered stupid yet people think QQing about crown crates is ok ?
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    Recremen wrote: »
    witchdoctor wrote: »
    woufff wrote: »
    The problem for me with all these kind of crates, boxes etc. in online games is that there is no official information about the chances to win the big price. In any official lottery there is a legal obligation to publish theses chances to win, in crown crates there is not (yet!) such information (as far as I know) published officially.

    I'm fine to risk my money when I know my chances B)

    And therein lies the rub: you don't have to take any chances. There is absolutely nothing in the Crown Crates that is needed to play, or 'win,' ESO. Nothing.

    You also don't have to play end-game content to consider yourself as having "won" the game. Maybe player goals in an MMO are individualized and skating by on "but it's not P2W!" is an outdated excuse for adding gambling into an otherwise upstanding game.

    Sure, we all have different goals. What then is the goal being barred by the Crown store? Collecting every mount?

    Frankly, if I 'am skating by' on pointing out how it isn't P2W; then you are surely 'skating by' on its 'gambling.'
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    Lord-Otto wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    Aliyavana wrote: »
    because buying a chance to get something sucks, and buying something directly and you know you will get the product is a good deal

    Ok so let's say I am buying 100 lottery tickets where the main price is (just as an example) dinner with a fauvorite actor in any restaurant I want , a thing I cannot buy anywhere I can only win this. I am not winning main price I am only winning few other things I could buy normally nothing super though. What is difference between that and crown crates ? Why QQing about not winning grand price in lottery would be considered stupid yet people think QQing about crown crates is ok ?

    The dinner used to be buyable in your example. Then it got pushed exclusively into the lottery.

    Nope the dinner was never used to be buyable. The dinner is equivalent of radiant apex mounts the only thing You cant buy because other things starting from apex mounts can be obtained through the gems. Yes some of this things was present in the crown store months or years ago but this is actually good zenimax is bringing them back. Keepinmg all that things in the store and adding just new would be stupid. Personally I would't like to see at some point crown store with 2 thousand items in it.
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    Only cosmetics and consumambles, nothing bad, nothing good. They are ok and if they support my favourite game I'm happy with them.
    Edited by Radinyn on March 18, 2018 7:58AM
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  • Dracofyre
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    crown crates may not be around very soon, congress at Washington DC will make a new law on "RNG boxes" on several online games, they are trying to ban "gambling" boxes and could force many companies to pay fines.
    reasons....
    1. too many kids with no CC, or steal parents CC to use, or in some areas, underages are not allow to participate "gambling" activities. i admit my nephew did stole his older brother's CC that was saved up for buying a car for work, took him more than 6 months to recover all the order made.
    2. to curb any online games that use boxes as gambling, to get big cut for taxes or something too greedy.
    3. people with nasty habit of gambling history.

    if the law get pass, we might not see anymore gambling boxes, no more buying the keys (other online games), or use of other means of real cash to throw away to get "lucky".
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    For anyone with issue regarding "crowns" and what they buy for being a cash store...

    It's really not that bad in implementation in eso.

    You could give Destiny 2 a try with their version being voiced by Claudia Black and a character at your home base that you mostly can't avoid. "She" also sells certain things that you mostly can't live without and can't get in game normally past the fact you can generate the currency in game over time. It's in your face and not so optional to deal with...

    For the most part you can have played eso since beta and never once dealt with the crown store or crates and it wouldn't really matter much.

    Do I think creating additional "revenue" streams in game past your game is crappy? Sure. But the implementation by ZOS is non invasive and non important enough for it to be tolerable.

    Really the only thing I can't see you being able to live without isn't in the cash grab store and that's the bank space and crafting bag from eso plus.
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    Dracofyre wrote: »
    crown crates may not be around very soon, congress at Washington DC will make a new law on "RNG boxes" on several online games, they are trying to ban "gambling" boxes and could force many companies to pay fines.
    reasons....
    1. too many kids with no CC, or steal parents CC to use, or in some areas, underages are not allow to participate "gambling" activities. i admit my nephew did stole his older brother's CC that was saved up for buying a car for work, took him more than 6 months to recover all the order made.
    2. to curb any online games that use boxes as gambling, to get big cut for taxes or something too greedy.
    3. people with nasty habit of gambling history.

    if the law get pass, we might not see anymore gambling boxes, no more buying the keys (other online games), or use of other means of real cash to throw away to get "lucky".

    I have a sneaking suspicion this proposed "law" will never pass or at least not in a "strong" form. This is one of those things that it sounds really good on a lawmaker's resume. Then reality (and lobbying) hit.

    Besides, lot of serious stuff going on in the US just now and gaming probably isn't taking much of a focus.

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    Everyone has a right to make a profit and they should be able to charge what the market can bear without too much criticism...but...that's a far cry from putting content that used to be come free with patches or at least complete with expansions behind a paywall mechanism that preys, feeds on and develops addictive compulsive behaviors in an impressionable client base. It's gambling in every sense of the word. Loot boxes are organized EXACTLY in the same fashion as slot machines with the same hooks and rewards. Gambling is an incredibly destructive behavior for most people that pick it up. Lootboxes are a gateway to that world at best. The lootbox trend the industry is no different than what big tobacco did for years.

    Lootbox items should ALL be available for purchase in the crown store and crown store items should all have an option of paying with in game money.
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