Do you want crown crates gone?

Doctordarkspawn

Yes

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Tandor

No

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

Zeytio

Yes

i personally thought one day it would be a good idea to open roughly ~80 crown crates to go after some of the cool mounts but instead, I got not a single mount of ANY rarity ... so yeah. gg zos atleast i got almost 1k crown gems to waste on the things i wanted to get ...

Sophocles1

No

Keep them. But don’t make the rewards always stink? I bought a bunch and never will again cuz all I got was a couple emotes

Kuwhar

No

I don't want them gone but I do agree they should at least offer the rewards in store at a higher price.

You should be able to buy the apex mounts (and whatever else) through a set amount of crowns, but it's also fun to have a bunch of crates to gamble with and see if you get that rare mount or motif.

Valrien

Yes

Tandor wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

THEMourningLily wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

THEMourningLily wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I wonder if you guys realize that the game has survived just fine before crown crates, with quality content such as Orsinium getting pushed out.

The game doesn't need the income from crown crates, and more likely than not it just lines the pockets of the top dogs at Zenimax Media instead of going to Zenimax Online Studios to make ESO.

Just because you spend the money on stuff ZOS makes, doesn't mean it goes to ZOS.

You seam to have a lot of insight into their operations. What was the P&L for last quarter vs the quarter before orsinium's launch?

And you seem to be in denial

THEMourningLily wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Thannazzar wrote: »

If you cant aford to gamble, dont.

The type of people who buy crown crates usually don't have this kind of self-control. In fact those type of people are specifically what crown crates prey on

I resent the implication that people who choose to purchase crates or any other crown items makes them prey for a crown crate gambling addition or an inability to budget their finances. What people choose to spend their money on isn't for you or anyone else to judge. Speak for yourself. Don't attempt to speak for others.

The crown crates aren't what makes people prey. The crates are the fuel for their addiction

People who have addictions have them regardless of what is in reach to fuel their addictions. The argument to remove crates because it's fuels people's addictions makes as much sense as stopping food production because it fuels binge eating disorders.

Food is necessary for life. Gambling is only there for the casino to make money, and for the players to lose money. Taking the argument to extremes doesn't mean you win.

Okay, if logic doesn't work, let me be direct. Just because some people think they need to police other's right to how they spend their money or choose to have fun doesn't mean it should happen. I don't need someone to shelter and protect me from the big bad corporations and the money grubbing products they release. Just because a small minority of people may have a gambling addiction shouldn't be grounds for the rest of us to not use a product. I don't need to be protected and coddled, but thanks for your concern.

"You're not my dad, don't tell me how to irresponsibly spend my money!"

Go for it, waste your money and keep showing that 100% predatory business practices are okay :P

Why do you assume that it's a waste of money for everyone else, just because you don't feel you get any value from it? This argument (and most others against crates) would carry a lot more weight if (a) the crates only ever contained an epic item or nothing, and (b) if people based their case on their own personal opinion rather than trying to foist that opinion on everyone else.

It's mainly a waste of money because the rewards used to be in the crown store for a fixed cost. Then they rolled out crown crates, and people bought them. This showed that crown crates were viable and they keep focusing more and more on the crown crates.

So it's mainly a waste because the more crown crates people buy, the more Zenimax can get away with concerning the crown crates instead of just putting these fancy rewards in the store for a fixed cost, which had evidently supported the game just fine as shown by their first round of DLC such as IC, Orsinium, DB, and TG

I don't blame ZOS for it, because like I said they probably don't get any of that revenue in the first place, but I do place blame on their greedy parent corporation.

Elsonso

Yes

DanteYoda wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Some players want what is in the Crown Crates, or at least some of the stuff, and just want to buy the stuff without the Crown Crates getting in the way.

Just sayin'

Which in the long run would cost us three to four times as much.. If crown crates were removed Zeni would want the same money from standard sales..

Look what we pay now and what we paid at release.. We bought a game and a subscription and that was that, then they removed the sub and now we pay 4-5 times for the same thing..

Not exactly. The purpose of the Crown Store is to deplete Crowns, and Crown Crates do that exceptionally well, I am sure. The thing is that they expect a certain number of Crowns to be pulled from the player pool of Crowns on periodic basis. It would be silly if they did not. That means that it would not be "4-5 times" for the same thing. The expectation would be the same, whether the person buys dozens of Crown Crates or buys it directly.

In the end, what matters is not how many Crowns something costs, but how fast people buy Crowns. There are a number of ways to accomplish that, without requiring Loot Boxes. The Loot Boxes are just the easy mode way to maximize revenue.

I might add that when I say that Crown Crates should go, what I mean is that ZOS should not be selling them or putting them behind paywalls or other monetization mechanisms designed to reward with Crown Crates. Giving them away for free, or as rewards, is a great application of the loot box.

Valrien wrote: »

I don't blame ZOS for it, because like I said they probably don't get any of that revenue in the first place, but I do place blame on their greedy parent corporation.

I think you can go ahead and blame ZOS for this. While lots of people take a cut, one thing that I am increasingly thinking is that the portion that ZOS gets does not go to ESO.

DoonerSeraph

Yes

Doesnt matter much if we want them gone, loot crates are the new gold mine of gaming industry and we wont ser them gone as long as people buy them and as long as there are no legal problems in using them.

KingMagaw

Yes

NickStern wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

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I cannot wait, until the government .

Yeah that is what we need the most corrupt people (politicians) in the world telling everyone how to spend their own money

Who is telling people how to spend their money?


My point was about making educated and informed decisions about what you spend your money on. Which i like to be wherever possible.

You or anyone else know the drop rates on what your spending your money on crates?. No because ZOS has not released that information and people should think to themselves why not.

It is in everyone's best interests to be as transparent as possible. Hiding and restricting information is just shady business and leans towards being corrupt.

In this day and age in the real world we have laws so that companies cannot take advantage of consumers, it has yet to filter to the digital platforms but it is only a matter of time as it is the next logical step to benefit everyone involved.

DanteYoda

No

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

I'm not sure those improvements justify the amounts of money we've spent though..

Elsonso

Yes

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

Doesnt matter much if we want them gone, loot crates are the new gold mine of gaming industry and we wont ser them gone as long as people buy them and as long as there are no legal problems in using them.

I like to dream, though.

DoonerSeraph

Yes

lordrichter wrote: »

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

Doesnt matter much if we want them gone, loot crates are the new gold mine of gaming industry and we wont ser them gone as long as people buy them and as long as there are no legal problems in using them.

I like to dream, though.

Oh, sure I would love to see them gone... You got me dreaming too

McI

No opinion

I don't buy them personally, but I also don't want to take away from other people enjoying them. I couldn't care less about them.

If they were ever to implement items that are true P2W; I would then care, and want them gone.

Slick_007

No

KingMagaw wrote: »

You or anyone else know the drop rates on what your spending your money on crates?. No because ZOS has not released that information and people should think to themselves why not.

because they do not have to, nor do you have the right to that information, regardless of how much you think you do.

It is in everyone's best interests to be as transparent as possible. Hiding and restricting information is just shady business and leans towards being corrupt.

i dont think you understand how things work. this is a ridiculous attitude to have and a very self entitled one. whats next, you want them to release their game code?

In this day and age in the real world we have laws so that companies cannot take advantage of consumers, it has yet to filter to the digital platforms but it is only a matter of time as it is the next logical step to benefit everyone involved.

there is no taking advantage of anyone here, no matter how twisted your perception of reality.

KingMagaw

Yes

Slick_007 wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

You or anyone else know the drop rates on what your spending your money on crates?. No because ZOS has not released that information and people should think to themselves why not.

because they do not have to, nor do you have the right to that information, regardless of how much you think you do.

It is in everyone's best interests to be as transparent as possible. Hiding and restricting information is just shady business and leans towards being corrupt.

i dont think you understand how things work. this is a ridiculous attitude to have and a very self entitled one. whats next, you want them to release their game code?

In this day and age in the real world we have laws so that companies cannot take advantage of consumers, it has yet to filter to the digital platforms but it is only a matter of time as it is the next logical step to benefit everyone involved.

there is no taking advantage of anyone here, no matter how twisted your perception of reality.

Let me correct that for you. ZOS are under no obligation to release that information yet. Some countries have already pioneered regulations for online gaming drop rates.

Additionally if a company does not want to be transparent in the services they are offering, i will opt out of using them

AbysmalGhul

No, I want more in my inventory for free. I want an unlimited supply until I get the items I desire. Rinse repeat per season please!

Valrien

Yes

Slick_007 wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

You or anyone else know the drop rates on what your spending your money on crates?. No because ZOS has not released that information and people should think to themselves why not.

because they do not have to, nor do you have the right to that information, regardless of how much you think you do.

It is in everyone's best interests to be as transparent as possible. Hiding and restricting information is just shady business and leans towards being corrupt.

i dont think you understand how things work. this is a ridiculous attitude to have and a very self entitled one. whats next, you want them to release their game code?

In this day and age in the real world we have laws so that companies cannot take advantage of consumers, it has yet to filter to the digital platforms but it is only a matter of time as it is the next logical step to benefit everyone involved.

there is no taking advantage of anyone here, no matter how twisted your perception of reality.

So wanting to be an informed consumer with the information to make a responsible decision with your money instead of blindly tossing it into a wishing well is entitled?

Do you need a dictionary or something? Because yes, literally we are entitled to that information, but this is not an entitled attitude lol.

Elsonso

Yes

Slick_007 wrote: »

i dont think you understand how things work. this is a ridiculous attitude to have and a very self entitled one. whats next, you want them to release their game code?

Oooh. Yes! Yes! Yes! Open source the game code!

KingMagaw wrote: »

Let me correct that for you. ZOS are under no obligation to release that information yet. Some countries have already pioneered regulations for online gaming drop rates.

It would be interesting to see how such a law would impact ZOS. I don't know how they run the Crown Crates, because I don't do Crown Crates, but it always seems like the drop rates for stuff in a new DLC or Update changes over time. It seems like new stuff drops like candy from a piñata at first, then becomes much less frequent.

tyler8853ub17_ESO

Yes they encourage gambling addiction and have no place in online games.

Ananoriel

Yes

I still think that lootboxes are a sort of gambling and I don't think we should encourage that. I never buy them since they are a waste of money for me.

randomkeyhits

In all honesty, for me at least, the title is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy.

Rather than want them gone, its getting to the stage where I simply don't want them.

When they first came out they were somewhat generous as ZoS were gauging the demand against what was delivered.

Ever since they've been "exploring the boundaries", each iteration has pushed something that didn't quite feel good compared to the previous iteration.

Now with the chopping up of a motif (which almost doubles its crown gem cost...), removing other things that might have been at that tier on top of everything else I bought one fifteen pack and thats it. Where before I might have bought a second or on a good selection even a third pack now there is zero and I do mean zero interest in additional purchases. I've got the crowns to spend, just won't be on crates.

If they want me buying crates then they'd better make the contents appealing again.

Tandor

No

DanteYoda wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

I'm not sure those improvements justify the amounts of money we've spent though..

Don't spend any more then.

Why do people insist on ignoring the most obvious solutions to their concerns? "The game is literally unplayable" - then don't play it. "Crates are a waste of money" - then don't buy any. "This game has the worst combat system ever" - then play the game with the best combat system ever. "This game is too easy" - then play a more challenging one.

But make your own decision, and let everyone else make theirs!

Valrien

Yes

Tandor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

I'm not sure those improvements justify the amounts of money we've spent though..

Don't spend any more then.

Why do people insist on ignoring the most obvious solutions to their concerns? "The game is literally unplayable" - then don't play it. "Crates are a waste of money" - then don't buy any. "This game has the worst combat system ever" - then play the game with the best combat system ever. "This game is too easy" - then play a more challenging one.

But make your own decision, and let everyone else make theirs!

Because that's ignoring the issue, not fixing the issue.

Some people still like ESO, believe it or not

Tandor

No

Valrien wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

I'm not sure those improvements justify the amounts of money we've spent though..

Don't spend any more then.

Why do people insist on ignoring the most obvious solutions to their concerns? "The game is literally unplayable" - then don't play it. "Crates are a waste of money" - then don't buy any. "This game has the worst combat system ever" - then play the game with the best combat system ever. "This game is too easy" - then play a more challenging one.

But make your own decision, and let everyone else make theirs!

Because that's ignoring the issue, not fixing the issue.

Some people still like ESO, believe it or not

Oh indeed, far more than the critics would suspect.

Valrien

Yes

Tandor wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

I'm not sure those improvements justify the amounts of money we've spent though..

Don't spend any more then.

Why do people insist on ignoring the most obvious solutions to their concerns? "The game is literally unplayable" - then don't play it. "Crates are a waste of money" - then don't buy any. "This game has the worst combat system ever" - then play the game with the best combat system ever. "This game is too easy" - then play a more challenging one.

But make your own decision, and let everyone else make theirs!

Because that's ignoring the issue, not fixing the issue.

Some people still like ESO, believe it or not

Oh indeed, far more than the critics would suspect.

So this means everything is perfect yes? Your answer is to ignore every issue with the game instead of trying to fix it? Is it impossible to raise complaints on a forum and still get enjoyment out of the game in spite of the things you complain about?

https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png

BuildMan

No opinion

I would prefer more quality Items in the crown store but honestly my crowns are just being saved up to purchase dlc for my fiancée, so it doesn’t change much if crates exist or not.

Tandor

No

Valrien wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

I'm not sure those improvements justify the amounts of money we've spent though..

Don't spend any more then.

Why do people insist on ignoring the most obvious solutions to their concerns? "The game is literally unplayable" - then don't play it. "Crates are a waste of money" - then don't buy any. "This game has the worst combat system ever" - then play the game with the best combat system ever. "This game is too easy" - then play a more challenging one.

But make your own decision, and let everyone else make theirs!

Because that's ignoring the issue, not fixing the issue.

Some people still like ESO, believe it or not

Oh indeed, far more than the critics would suspect.

So this means everything is perfect yes? Your answer is to ignore every issue with the game instead of trying to fix it? Is it impossible to raise complaints on a forum and still get enjoyment out of the game in spite of the things you complain about?

https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png

You're putting words into my mouth.

Jaimeh

Yes

I like the items in the crates, such at the apex mounts, but I would prefer it if they were available for sale in the crown store for a set amount of crowns, and for an extended period of time, rather than a flash sale. Then I would know for sure if I could afford to buy said item and plan for it. I realize the exclusivity of the mounts, paired with the low random chance aspect of the crates, makes them very profitable for ZOS, but on the other hand, there are customers who spend a set amount on crates regardless of the outcome, and those who are aganist crates, so having these items in the store could also be very profitable, would make for a healthier bussiness model, and with a happier customer base to boot.

Raraaku

No opinion

Morally, I don't like it; because it's a system designed to take advantage of players with addictive/poor impulse control tendencies and extract as much money as possible from the 1% who find a dopamine rush in getting that apex mount after opening a ton of boxes.

And I don't like that as a person who has dealt with substance abuse problems in the past, two years clean in October, and I know a trigger when I see it. Such as the free crown crates as part of the login rewards and the khajiit occasionally giving you a rare or better reward.

From a business perspective; crown crates are great because they are a great source of revenue in which to reinvest into your product, so there is no way they will ever get rid of the crown crate system. It makes them too much money.

Valrien

Yes

Tandor wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Surely, the massive profits of crown crates will be put to use to improve the game sometime soon now!

wont it

Every time someone posts on here asking if the game is worth returning to, everyone points out how much the game has improved already !

I'm not sure those improvements justify the amounts of money we've spent though..

Don't spend any more then.

Why do people insist on ignoring the most obvious solutions to their concerns? "The game is literally unplayable" - then don't play it. "Crates are a waste of money" - then don't buy any. "This game has the worst combat system ever" - then play the game with the best combat system ever. "This game is too easy" - then play a more challenging one.

But make your own decision, and let everyone else make theirs!

Because that's ignoring the issue, not fixing the issue.

Some people still like ESO, believe it or not

Oh indeed, far more than the critics would suspect.

So this means everything is perfect yes? Your answer is to ignore every issue with the game instead of trying to fix it? Is it impossible to raise complaints on a forum and still get enjoyment out of the game in spite of the things you complain about?

https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png

You're putting words into my mouth.

""The game is literally unplayable" - then don't play it.

"Crates are a waste of money" - then don't buy any.

"This game has the worst combat system ever" - then play the game with the best combat system ever.

"This game is too easy" - then play a more challenging one."

You're the one who said it, not me lol