Grinding assault/support when you hate pvp

Alcest

You gotta serve your alliance, you PVE scrub. So cool to having fun in PVE while your allies dying for fatherland...

DieAlteHexe

Alcest wrote: »

You gotta serve your alliance, you PVE scrub. So cool to having fun in PVE while your allies dying for fatherland...

Bah. There are other ways to support the effort. Crafting gear, food, drink. Harvesting to do those.

No army can manage without food, drink, decent gear.

JungleBoot

First, I'm not gonna read every reply. Partly because I have had this conversation in Cyrodiil groups using voice chat and through other threads and I'm on your side TC. That said. Leveling the Assault and Support skill lines goes much faster today than it did in the past. Find a large group and tag along. Your greatest AP gains will come from capturing keeps. But, you need to be in a group -- not solo to benefit the most. Also, the hitting a delve first is a good practice.

People will mention repairing keeps. Just don't do it. It is expensive and slow. It doesn't matter if you use gold or AP points. As mentioned, healing is the way to go. When possible, hit other players with offensive skills for more AP when they get beat by others. It works. A good zerg will boost AP gains like you wouldn't believe. Just be patient.

Ankael07

PVE'ers: We're tired of getting nerfed because of PVP'ers whining

Also PVE'ers: I cant grind for Caltrops for 3 nights my fingers hurt from repairing walls

knaveofengland

join a pvp guild and be patient , sooner or later you get them , or just ask you guild/s to help . or simply join the zerg .

Minyassa

It'll be even worse grinding when all I want is the dyes, but you gotta do the thing to get the stuff. I am hoping that it really is just as easy as joining a zerg and healing because I'm gonna be there for a while to unlock that black. Oy.

Feanor

Minyassa wrote: »

It'll be even worse grinding when all I want is the dyes, but you gotta do the thing to get the stuff. I am hoping that it really is just as easy as joining a zerg and healing because I'm gonna be there for a while to unlock that black. Oy.

That’s just another way of saying PvP shouldn’t have nice things. I still remember the droves of PvE players that exploited their way to a high alliance rank when the outpost farm was on. Double standards must be so nice to have.

Merlin13KAGL

Battleground is definitely the way to go now. You can have it in a night or two, and it doesn't take long to pick up on the various game modes.

You can still run with a zero stam, zero speed horse and you won't have to ride all over creation even if your horse is maxed.

Datthaw

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There's gotta be a better way to do this. I've spent the last 3 nights in cyrodiil and gone to just barely over rank 5 assault (need 6 for caltrops to fill out a pve trials build). I've never liked pvp in this game - aside from the balance issues cyrodiil is plagued with bugs and lag. Every time you get into a heavy battle at a keep your framerate drops to nothing, and the worst part is you get no noticable impact on your assault/support skill lines unless you actually capture the keep - you're SOL if your group gets bombed, you just wasted however much time it took to get to the keep and fight for it in the first place.

Is there a pve-centric way to level these lines? Can I just solo delves in cyro or something for AP?

Nothing bugs me more than games which force pvp onto players that dislike it, for whatever reason, in order to be effective in endgame pve. Right now caltrops is too good to pass up for a stamina dps role. At the same time, aside from monster sets (which can still be purchased from the gold vendor), nothing in pve is so critical for pvp performance.
Honestly these two skill lines are worse to level for me than mages guild, and that's saying something when it comes to console play with no mage-book addons.

Having to level undaunted, mages guild and fighters guild when I hate pve. Can't I just get there for free? What about dungeon gear why can't I just buy that with AP from a vendor.

But really though pvp players have it alot worse trying to grind.

Lynx7386

Voxicity wrote: »

I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy both aspects of the game. It must get boring playing PvE every day for years without taking a break and no lifeing Cyrodiil for a month or two

I play games to relax. PvP is the opposite of relaxation for me, all it does is raise my blood pressure to unhealthy levels.

Lynx7386

Alcest wrote: »

You gotta serve your alliance, you PVE scrub. So cool to having fun in PVE while your allies dying for fatherland...

All I see in Cyrodiil is gank fests, resource trading, and blues and reds working together because screw the lore. My time is better spent fighting daedra than a bunch of teenagers measuring their digital ***.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Battleground is definitely the way to go now. You can have it in a night or two, and it doesn't take long to pick up on the various game modes.

You can still run with a zero stam, zero speed horse and you won't have to ride all over creation even if your horse is maxed.

That's probably one of the worst parts for me. That character is at 21 riding speed, takes forever to get around Cyrodiil and I'm always left in the dust by the zerg.

Why did they make cyrodiil with so much useless empty space anyways? Its the most dead zone in the game through 90% of the area.

DieAlteHexe

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy both aspects of the game. It must get boring playing PvE every day for years without taking a break and no lifeing Cyrodiil for a month or two

I play games to relax. PvP is the opposite of relaxation for me, all it does is raise my blood pressure to unhealthy levels.

Exactly so. I get enough challenge and stress in RL, don't need it in games.

Irylia

There's gotta be a better way to do this. I've spent the last 3 nights in trials and gotten just barely a few set pieces. I've never liked pve in this game - aside from the balance issues pve is plagued with Parse requirements. Every time you get into a heavy battle at a boss your framerate drops to nothing, and the worst part is you get no noticable Gear unless you actually run the trial/dungeon hundreds of times - you're SOL if your group gets bombed, you just wasted however much time it took to get to the trial and fight for it in the first place.

Is there a pvp-centric way to Grind this gear? Can I just solo pvp in cyro or something for useful sets?

Nothing bugs me more than games which force pve onto players that dislike it, for whatever reason, in order to be effective in endgame pvp. Right now dungeon sets are too good to pass up for a stamina dps role. At the same time, aside from monster sets (which can still be purchased from the gold vendor), nothing in pvp is so critical for pve performance.
Honestly these two pve methods are worse to grind for me than mages guild, and that's saying something when it comes to console play with no mage-book addons.

The_Brosteen

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Nothing bugs me more than games which force pvp onto players that dislike it, for whatever reason, in order to be effective in endgame pve.
Honestly these two skill lines are worse to level for me than mages guild, and that's saying something when it comes to console play with no mage-book addons.

You know whats worse? Grinding pve for pvp. Trying to get to undaunted 9 so you can have extra resources is much more time consuming than grinding caltrops.

WTT ap for undaunted passives.

The_Brosteen

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

Well lvling undaunted is alao tied to achievments, which speed lvling up by a lot.
I get arrounf 40-50 undaunted points per vet dungeon, so its dueable in 2-3 days

Its doable if you have a group willing to help you out. But then again so is getting caltrops in 3 hrs. Actually you can just join a pug and equip a resto staff and do that. Can't do that a effectively level undaunted though.

Apache_Kid

How can people seriously complain about having to spend a couple hours in PvP to get caltrops? Try grinding out undaunted in those same couple hours and see what happens. Or mages guild to 10. All you have to do to get caltrops is LFG in zone and follow a zerg spamming heals or light attacks. PvP only players who want to get max undaunted mettle or meteor have it much much worse.

DurzoBlint13

buy repair kits. fix walls. even in a slow campaign you can get to rank 6 in a couple hours. (I think it took me just over 3 hours) I did it on my tank a while ago without ever even swinging a weapon at anyone

IF they do make it easier to get Alliance ranks (and by that I mean even easier than they have made it several times already) they better make the Undaunted grind and tedious lore book gathering easier too. Just saying.

Voxicity

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy both aspects of the game. It must get boring playing PvE every day for years without taking a break and no lifeing Cyrodiil for a month or two

I play games to relax. PvP is the opposite of relaxation for me, all it does is raise my blood pressure to unhealthy levels.

I play PvP to relax too. My wife and I just play casually and it's far more relaxing that being queued with a pleb from group finder in a Vet DLC dungeon

Idk, I just feel that a lot of people miss out on the beauty of PvP in this game. I mean you can literally just sit on a wall shooting people with a ballista from the safety of your keep. It's very therapeutic

CromulentForumID

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

buy repair kits. fix walls. even in a slow campaign you can get to rank 6 in a couple hours. (I think it took me just over 3 hours) I did it on my tank a while ago without ever even swinging a weapon at anyone

IF they do make it easier to get Alliance ranks (and by that I mean even easier than they have made it several times already) they better make the Undaunted grind and tedious lore book gathering easier too. Just saying.

This one. You rarely if ever have to leave the safety of your own keeps. Find a keep not under attack, travel to it, fix walls. After keep upgrades you can burn a stack or two of repair kits and never have to see another player, let alone enemy player.

Emperors of Wall Repair, Unite!

DieAlteHexe

Voxicity wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy both aspects of the game. It must get boring playing PvE every day for years without taking a break and no lifeing Cyrodiil for a month or two

I play games to relax. PvP is the opposite of relaxation for me, all it does is raise my blood pressure to unhealthy levels.

I play PvP to relax too. My wife and I just play casually and it's far more relaxing that being queued with a pleb from group finder in a Vet DLC dungeon

Idk, I just feel that a lot of people miss out on the beauty of PvP in this game. I mean you can literally just sit on a wall shooting people with a ballista from the safety of your keep. It's very therapeutic

For you guys, and that's a good thing. Nothing therapeutic about it for me. But that's what's great about this game, something for everyone.

AlnilamE

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Alcest wrote: »

You gotta serve your alliance, you PVE scrub. So cool to having fun in PVE while your allies dying for fatherland...

All I see in Cyrodiil is gank fests, resource trading, and blues and reds working together because screw the lore. My time is better spent fighting daedra than a bunch of teenagers measuring their digital ***.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Battleground is definitely the way to go now. You can have it in a night or two, and it doesn't take long to pick up on the various game modes.

You can still run with a zero stam, zero speed horse and you won't have to ride all over creation even if your horse is maxed.

That's probably one of the worst parts for me. That character is at 21 riding speed, takes forever to get around Cyrodiil and I'm always left in the dust by the zerg.

Why did they make cyrodiil with so much useless empty space anyways? Its the most dead zone in the game through 90% of the area.

I love how spacious Cyrodiil is. Yes, it can be a pain getting from one keep to the next in the heat of battle (particularly since the game seems to throw resource nodes in your face as you ride by), but Cyrodiil is beautiful the way it is, and I'm speaking from a PvE point of view.

As others have said, worst case scenario is you can repair walls or find a friend to take resources with you. Or find a good PvP guild to hang out with. I've taken people out to Cyrodiil to get skills who really don't like PvP, and we just ran around after the zergs and got our skills.

ZeroXFF

Beardimus wrote: »

ZeroXFF wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

If you don't like pve, you're playing the wrong game. The main focus of ESO is pve, so expecting a pvper to pve is in fact not backwards at all, it's what the game is about. But expecting a pve player to do pvp is very much backwards, because if you want to protect Nirn, you shouldn't have to kill other people to be able to do so, because it entirely defeats the purpose of your pursuit.

With that said, I agree that it's a poor design choice. Skills (and in fact skill points) shouldn't be hidden behind specific game modes, not having access to certain gear sets is enough of a punishment.

What a biased opinion. And I'm sorry but I totally disagree.

The way they encourage people to try other content is healthy, and if you are stubborn, then you can just go without. I did without trials gear for a long while as I didn't enjoy the content or clique, and accepted that. Though went back eventually as found a cool group and made friends doing it. I never would have bothered if it wasn't for the gear.

Besides that the decent PvP skills can be unlocked in a night, easily. Completing vMA, Vet Trials, Undaunted etc is way more of a grind for PvP players. Saying they are in the wrong is poppycock. And that view is why people struggle with this game

Enjoy its vast richness. It's not a pvE game or PvP. Its all. There is no end game in a MMORPG. As For some thats fishing. For others getting Emp, or trading up to hit a billion gold, for some its the quality of role play, others its theiving etc etc etc

In short dont run a setup that requires dont et you dont like, OR adapt and be open minded.

Triggered much? The last paragraph doesn't say anything about which game mode, and I intentionally didn't say it, because it applies to both sides (so forcing pvpers trying to get undaunted would be covered under that).

But it's you who is biased if you claim that ESO isn't mainly about pve. There is more pvp in WoW than ESO, and it's still mostly a pve game. The only places where it could conceivably be considered equal are pvp servers, where you can attack anyone from the opposing faction almost anywhere you see them. In ESO that is not possible. To think that in ESO pvp and pve are equal is just to deny reality. If you want a game that is about pvp, go play Overwatch.

And yes, you can go raiding, fishing, trading, theiving, getting Emp, but from all the activities you can think of only one is actually about pvp. Thanks for proving my point.

As for gear, you are making my point too. Locking gear behind game modes is "enough of a punishment" for not doing that content. You just said yourself that it was enough for you to try it. I would also like to get Black Rose for one of my tanks. We don't need to also lock skills behind the game modes.

Sergykid

many people complain about lags/fps drops in Cryodill, but dunno about them, i only get a 2 sec delay when in prime time over a full battle in Vivec.

the easiest way to make rank without fighting at all is travel to various keeps and repair whatever doors/walls you find.

Ohtimbar

Do these threads ever NOT devolve into people trying to out-whinge each other? Seems to me that some people have no problem with crummy game design as long everyone suffers equally. What a mind-numbingly stupid state of affairs. I already have all of the alliance skills, but it's a legitimate complaint that solo/pve players have to grind them out in a game mode they detest. It's also a legitimate complaint that pvpers have to grind out undaunted. See the root problem here? Boring grinding. Perhaps people should direct their insults at ZOS instead of each other.

DieAlteHexe

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Do these threads ever NOT devolve into people trying to out-whinge each other? Seems to me that some people have no problem with crummy game design as long everyone suffers equally. What a mind-numbingly stupid state of affairs. I already have all of the alliance skills, but it's a legitimate complaint that solo/pve players have to grind them out in a game mode they detest. It's also a legitimate complaint that pvpers have to grind out undaunted. See the root problem here? Boring grinding. Perhaps people should direct their insults at ZOS instead of each other.

Or maybe just learn to communicate without being jackasses about it. To anyone.

Yeah, that'd be nice to see.

Unfortunately, this is the 'Net and, lacking consequences of any import, I doubt the current behaviour will ever change.

Apache_Kid

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Do these threads ever NOT devolve into people trying to out-whinge each other? Seems to me that some people have no problem with crummy game design as long everyone suffers equally. What a mind-numbingly stupid state of affairs. I already have all of the alliance skills, but it's a legitimate complaint that solo/pve players have to grind them out in a game mode they detest. It's also a legitimate complaint that pvpers have to grind out undaunted. See the root problem here? Boring grinding. Perhaps people should direct their insults at ZOS instead of each other.

It's an MMO. The game is designed to create as much boring grinding as possible. The reason why people are trying to "out-whinge" each other about this because usually these threads are from a PvE only player who is complaining about having to spend a couple hours in PvP for caltrops which takes exponentially less time to complete than grinding out undaunted or Mages Guild. It's just absurd to players like us who understand how easy it is for a PUG to LFG in zone and LA spam for 2 hours and get caltrops compared to having to complete countless pledges/dungeon achievements or hunt hundreds of lorebooks. We aren't complaing about the grinds but rather those who whine about the grinds.

josiahva

Caltrops(or other AoE of your choice cast on wall breeches and flags) + Keep Defense...and healing zergs, quite simply the fastest way without actually having to PvP. If the action is too far away from the keep, grab yourself some scattershot siege to tag the most enemies(just dont expect to actually kill anyone with it)

DurzoBlint13

CromulentForumID wrote: »

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

buy repair kits. fix walls. even in a slow campaign you can get to rank 6 in a couple hours. (I think it took me just over 3 hours) I did it on my tank a while ago without ever even swinging a weapon at anyone

IF they do make it easier to get Alliance ranks (and by that I mean even easier than they have made it several times already) they better make the Undaunted grind and tedious lore book gathering easier too. Just saying.

This one. You rarely if ever have to leave the safety of your own keeps. Find a keep not under attack, travel to it, fix walls. After keep upgrades you can burn a stack or two of repair kits and never have to see another player, let alone enemy player.

Emperors of Wall Repair, Unite!

lol that's right. And before they consolidated the campaigns there was more than one Emp that did exactly that to get the achievement

coop500

*Says a late prayer for the OP*

dodgehopper_ESO

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

Do normal trials. It's like battlegrounds for undaunted.

I have multiple characters with maxed Undaunted. I'm just pointing out that the difficulty is greater on the PvE side and after you've gotten it on multiple characters it becomes a bit repetitive character after character.