Grinding assault/support when you hate pvp

Lynx7386

There's gotta be a better way to do this. I've spent the last 3 nights in cyrodiil and gone to just barely over rank 5 assault (need 6 for caltrops to fill out a pve trials build). I've never liked pvp in this game - aside from the balance issues cyrodiil is plagued with bugs and lag. Every time you get into a heavy battle at a keep your framerate drops to nothing, and the worst part is you get no noticable impact on your assault/support skill lines unless you actually capture the keep - you're SOL if your group gets bombed, you just wasted however much time it took to get to the keep and fight for it in the first place.

Is there a pve-centric way to level these lines? Can I just solo delves in cyro or something for AP?

Nothing bugs me more than games which force pvp onto players that dislike it, for whatever reason, in order to be effective in endgame pve. Right now caltrops is too good to pass up for a stamina dps role. At the same time, aside from monster sets (which can still be purchased from the gold vendor), nothing in pve is so critical for pvp performance.
Honestly these two skill lines are worse to level for me than mages guild, and that's saying something when it comes to console play with no mage-book addons.

Sanctum74

The best way is to type LFG in zone chat and group up with other players. Vivec is full of zergs and lag so you may have better luck in Shor, but either way safety in numbers definitely helps.

Getting resources is another way. If you have a squishy build then go into the tower first to take out the Mage guards and then you can also pull the other guards in individually so you don't have to fight them all at once.

Also watch the map, if you see a keep flagged by your faction then try to get there quickly for that tick. You can also go around repairing walls and doors for AP.

Lastly to maximize your AP you want to be able to hit as many enemies as you can and heal as many allies as you can. Using AOE skills on enemies and then back bar a resto staff and spam rapid regen and grand healing all the time on your allies.

I'd help you out tonight, but the new season of Walking Dead starts in 30 minutes

Ep1kMalware

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There's gotta be a better way to do this. I've spent the last 3 nights in cyrodiil and gone to just barely over rank 5 assault (need 6 for caltrops to fill out a pve trials build). I've never liked pvp in this game - aside from the balance issues cyrodiil is plagued with bugs and lag. Every time you get into a heavy battle at a keep your framerate drops to nothing, and the worst part is you get no noticable impact on your assault/support skill lines unless you actually capture the keep - you're SOL if your group gets bombed, you just wasted however much time it took to get to the keep and fight for it in the first place.

Is there a pve-centric way to level these lines? Can I just solo delves in cyro or something for AP?

Nothing bugs me more than games which force pvp onto players that dislike it, for whatever reason, in order to be effective in endgame pve. Right now caltrops is too good to pass up for a stamina dps role. At the same time, aside from monster sets (which can still be purchased from the gold vendor), nothing in pve is so critical for pvp performance.
Honestly these two skill lines are worse to level for me than mages guild, and that's saying something when it comes to console play with no mage-book addons.

Spec into magic, buy 1 skyreach carry to get resto staff from lvl 1-15+. Go pvp, say in zone: heals lf large group.

Use your class skills + healing springs/mutagen to protect and support your teamates for 2-3hrs. Respec into stamina, enjoy your caltrops.

TheDarkShadow

- Follow zerg and spam mutagen. FPS still be a problem though.
- Stay back at keep after def for tick.
- Buy bunches of wall and door repair kit, walk around, check every corner of every keep and repair everything.
- 3 days is nothing. They lower the xp a lots to get to rank 6 now. Be patient.

FloppyTouch

Just take resources 1.5k ap each 3 at each keep. Quest in pvp at the town's give ap and fixing walls and doors at keeps you already own gives ap.

ecru

bg's give way more ap now, do those instead.

LadyNalcarya

Battlegrounds! You'll get 7k every 10 min or so even if you lose. More if you win.
And while you'll probably get killed a lot, its still the fastest way to grind ap for a non-pvper. No lags/horse riding, too.

dodgehopper_ESO

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

Lynx7386

ecru wrote: »

bg's give way more ap now, do those instead.

Is this after dragonbones or before? Dragonbones hasnt hit consoles yet.

disintegr8

You need Morrowind for BG's I think....not available to everyone.

Runefang

Go to the emptiest campaign and flip resources, pure PvE most of the time.

Be sure to kill a delve boss first since it buffs your AP return.

Taleof2Cities

Lynx7386 wrote: »

At the same time, aside from monster sets (which can still be purchased from the gold vendor), nothing in pve is so critical for pvp performance.

Just remember, @Lynx7386, that Undaunted Mettle is generally a must for end game PvP players ... so it's definitely not a one way street.

VaranisArano

Lynx7386 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

bg's give way more ap now, do those instead.

Is this after dragonbones or before? Dragonbones hasnt hit consoles yet.

The AP from Battlegrounds will increase with the DragonBones patch.

Lynx7386

I'm just going to have to wait then. Cyrodiil is a lagfest and nothing I do there gets me *** for assault rank, battlegrounds are a 100% waste of time right now.

Zos, please unscrew this game.

jaws343

4 hours. I ran solo in vivec this morning and had caltrops on my stam sorc running a trials build in 4 hours. Just follow the larger groups of people and put down a ton of aoe in fights. Take resources while the zerg takes down the front door. Return to the keep to get the tick when it flips.

It will take many times more than that to get my undaunted up. There is no comparison to the ease of running in cyrodil for a few hours and spending weeks in a group finder queue.

jaws343

Also, for future characters, use kyne to get your pvp skill lines leveled. The fights will be easier.

kyle.wilson

Probably the most PVE way to gain AP:
- Repair Keep walls and doors, especially after keep wall upgrades. (Kits can be purchased with gold)
- Taking resources far from action (1.5k each time)
- Repeatable town quests in Cyrodiil

runagate

I just spent way less than one night on the under 50 campaign on a level 20 toon and got almost all the way to Assault 5.

Ep1kMalware

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

Do normal trials. It's like battlegrounds for undaunted.

Jonno

BG's are definitely the fastest since dragon bones it took me 2 hours on my level 40 stamplar

ZeroXFF

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

If you don't like pve, you're playing the wrong game. The main focus of ESO is pve, so expecting a pvper to pve is in fact not backwards at all, it's what the game is about. But expecting a pve player to do pvp is very much backwards, because if you want to protect Nirn, you shouldn't have to kill other people to be able to do so, because it entirely defeats the purpose of your pursuit.

With that said, I agree that it's a poor design choice. Skills (and in fact skill points) shouldn't be hidden behind specific game modes, not having access to certain gear sets is enough of a punishment.

Voxicity

I feel sorry for people who don't enjoy both aspects of the game. It must get boring playing PvE every day for years without taking a break and no lifeing Cyrodiil for a month or two

ValkynSketha

Wall repairs while watching a movie or something is all i can say, it takes 3-4h to get caltrops of just pure wall repairing with zero grouping and zerging. It is costy tho, around 300k for caltrops. Or bgs.

Beardimus

There plenty of ways. Town quests are PvE only and give you AP albeit small.

Or just buy repair kits and repair your keeps.

Or heal a zerg.

But honestly just give it a chance, I know many that have stayed open minded and stayed in PvP long term as had alpt of fun.

A decent group will unlock that much in a night easy. But dont see it as a grind, just enjoy it

Beardimus

ZeroXFF wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

If you don't like pve, you're playing the wrong game. The main focus of ESO is pve, so expecting a pvper to pve is in fact not backwards at all, it's what the game is about. But expecting a pve player to do pvp is very much backwards, because if you want to protect Nirn, you shouldn't have to kill other people to be able to do so, because it entirely defeats the purpose of your pursuit.

With that said, I agree that it's a poor design choice. Skills (and in fact skill points) shouldn't be hidden behind specific game modes, not having access to certain gear sets is enough of a punishment.

What a biased opinion. And I'm sorry but I totally disagree.

The way they encourage people to try other content is healthy, and if you are stubborn, then you can just go without. I did without trials gear for a long while as I didn't enjoy the content or clique, and accepted that. Though went back eventually as found a cool group and made friends doing it. I never would have bothered if it wasn't for the gear.

Besides that the decent PvP skills can be unlocked in a night, easily. Completing vMA, Vet Trials, Undaunted etc is way more of a grind for PvP players. Saying they are in the wrong is poppycock. And that view is why people struggle with this game

Enjoy its vast richness. It's not a pvE game or PvP. Its all. There is no end game in a MMORPG. As For some thats fishing. For others getting Emp, or trading up to hit a billion gold, for some its the quality of role play, others its theiving etc etc etc

In short dont run a setup that requires dont et you dont like, OR adapt and be open minded.

MattT1988

Yes it sucks, but they have to grind undaunted. So give and take.

exiars10

Grinding Undaunted is MUCH worse and longer if you are solo player (even hard in guilds) then grinding Alliance skills. There is no comparision at all! I got Rank 7 in just few days playing several hours daily in Cyrodiil. Getting Undaunted to 9 took me over a month!

I play both PvE and PvP and I don't understand pure PvE players who constantly complain about getting into Cyrodiil for some skills when pure PvP players are in much worse situation (grinding Undaunted and gear).

What's so hard to just spam heal in Cyrodiil zerg? It's braindead grind.

Gprime31

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There's gotta be a better way to do this. I've spent the last 3 nights in cyrodiil and gone to just barely over rank 5 assault (need 6 for caltrops to fill out a pve trials build). I've never liked pvp in this game - aside from the balance issues cyrodiil is plagued with bugs and lag. Every time you get into a heavy battle at a keep your framerate drops to nothing, and the worst part is you get no noticable impact on your assault/support skill lines unless you actually capture the keep - you're SOL if your group gets bombed, you just wasted however much time it took to get to the keep and fight for it in the first place.

Is there a pve-centric way to level these lines? Can I just solo delves in cyro or something for AP?

Nothing bugs me more than games which force pvp onto players that dislike it, for whatever reason, in order to be effective in endgame pve. Right now caltrops is too good to pass up for a stamina dps role. At the same time, aside from monster sets (which can still be purchased from the gold vendor), nothing in pve is so critical for pvp performance.
Honestly these two skill lines are worse to level for me than mages guild, and that's saying something when it comes to console play with no mage-book addons.

you'd like it more if they would balance the damn game

drkfrontiers

I always wondered about that lol.

Grind ones @ss off to get the best gear in a game... only so you can grind said aspect of the game more... (By which point it's thoroughly devoid of any enjoyment because you saw it as a grind.) Why would I want to do that to myself?!

I run the dungeons till I get bored and don't look back. I will never need the rewards anyway. My play-style is retardedly casual. Someone challenges me to a dual .. my eyes start watering with laughter.

I work for a living. Gaming is my quiet time. My treat. No ways I'm going to turn it into a job.

SaintSubwayy

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I feel the same way about Undaunted and I don't really hate doing dungeons I just don't like the repetition of doing them over and over and over and over. Just like PvP the best elements of Undaunted are in the final levels of the passives. Unlike PvP however, you can't just quit doing Undaunted once you've 'gotten what you needed' because as I said the best parts are at the final 9th level of Undaunted. Conversely if you don't like PvP the final passives of Alliance War skills are not even needed or useful. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

Well lvling undaunted is alao tied to achievments, which speed lvling up by a lot.
I get arrounf 40-50 undaunted points per vet dungeon, so its dueable in 2-3 days

Feanor

This again? I wish Undaunted, Fighters and Mages Guild lines took as little effort as Alliance rank 7 or 8. It’s at most 5 or 6 hours. You can do it very relaxed on 2 evenings of PvP. I recently did with my StamWarden on Sotha Sil. Started out as level 10 and had Vigor 4 hours later. It’s easy.