STARTING TO HATE THIS GAME...

ralphylauren

Hexys wrote: »

People don't understand obtaining a skin is not just a completion of a run. It's socializing with others, you play an mmo... it's also teamwork in a competitive scene. All I read in the first post is 'I suck and nobody accepts me', time to grind further and improve, at least it's a cool goal to look forward to ^^

Albert Einstein there are more player that share my experience and let me guess "they suck too" or "no one wants to play with them either". Players like you will be the death of this game. And I'm sorry any player who can pull 25k plus dps beat vma isn't a bad player. Only .5% of the PS4 na population can even beat vma.

Instead of looking for post to down someone in so you can feel like an "elite" bring some constructive comments and we might be able to change this game for the better. Because again I tell you if the endgame stays this way players will leave! The game market is way to dynamic

Ragnarock41

You hate the game, because of a skin.. I think you should calm down a bit, Its really not worth it.

Find some friends to do the trial with, find a PvE guild and train with them. You have options.

I got my class identity robbed out of my main.

Yet Im still playing the *** out of this game.

You have a problem with the a certain group of players, I have a problem with the friggen developers of this game.

So my point is, you're giving up too easy. I remember searching for a vDSA group for 2 damn months, nobody wanted to do it with me,
They said do normals first, do it with someone else first, you won't be able to do it they said. so what did I do?

I finished it with a group of my own friends, we did it on the first try and we almost did a flawless run.

So yeah.. Its an MMO, be social.

Minyassa

I think if they put those skins in the crown store it would effectively end the problem. The people who are using this burning desire for a visual trophy as leverage would lose that leverage, leaving the way open to people who actually want the challenge and accomplishment. The people who just want a cosmetic thing and could not care less about endgame content would be contributing to keeping staff paid and servers running. Skins would no longer be something that anyone could use to lord anything over anyone, and actual performance would become more important for its own sake and for the fun of it.

Ch4mpTW

The PS4-NA end-game scene is very much so bad. How do I know? I used to be heavily involved with it. It too is filled with politics and other unnecessary bs, just like PvP in Cyrodiil. The only difference is, in Cyrodiil you’re not cut off from gear for being small-scale and or solo. And thus you don’t have gear locked away from you in that regards. But rather, you have emperorship out of reach. Both of these things of course being mitigated by how much gold you’ll front (which is disgusting).

I’ll put it to you all like this regarding PS4-NA’s raiding community. Every single top end-game PvE guild (literally ALL of the top guilds) are: Drama-filled, ego-fueled, e-fame obsessed, cringeworthy, man-childs and wretches. Every single 1 these days. You can be the most talented, well-mannered, and quiet person. And still get shut down or asked to “tryout” for these clowns, and most of the time the people asking you to perform said feats can’t even accomplish them themselves. But are merely parroting what they saw someone else say.

Proof? I was apart of multiple end-game PvE guilds at a time, which constantly placed within Top 24 on trial leaderboards every single week. Without fail. And 1 of the things that I’d begin to notice within these guilds was how the GM would intentionally segregate their own guild (often leading to tensions). There would be the regular members, and then there would be an “A-Team” (eventually colors started being used to mask what he were doing). The “A-Team” would consist of people who the GM personally felt was their top players. These are the folks who they’d bring along for hard mode clears, and would bring along for “carry runs” (you get paid an obnoxiously high amount of gold to carry someone through a trial). Naturally people would catch on, and leave said guilds after discovering something was odd about them being invited to stuff. But, that is how it would go. And you’d ping-pong over and over like this.

Now here’s the kicker. 2 of the guilds I was in at the time had this 1 female player, who was extremely subpar. Her DPS was atrocious, and often times a few of us would talk in secret how she was apart of the guild to begin with. In trials she’d always be 1 of the 1st few people to need a rez, she had little to no rotation, and she barely followed mechanics. Yet the GM’s still has her as a DPS for the guild, even though the required DPS at the time was ~40k (and she would barely push past 25k is my guess). But anyway, I see her a few months later after I had left the entire end-game PvE scene with the VHoF skin, showing off hard mode clear treasures, behaving arrogantly and calling herself giving advice on how to get Flawless Conqueror...

Keep in mind, I had NEVER seen this chick in VMA. Ever. Let alone discussing it. And I had been in 2 guilds with her for months. Months! I attended all of her DPS tests back then, as well as had done numerous trials with this broad. Now all of sudden a few months later, she’s some “super pro” giving out advice (which was entirely inaccurate and wrong by the way), and behaving all superior to the players asking in zone chat about help with VMA? So I ask her in zone chat when it was that she became said VMA Pro (which she clearly wasn’t from the things she was saying), being as I had never seen her do VMA. Nor have I ever seen her do anything remarkable without being carried. And she proceedsto ask me where my HM treasures are for things like VHoF and VAS. Lol. She proceeds to ask where this and that skin is, knowing I had left that entire scene behind. And how great she is.

The point I’m trying to make is, the scene on PS4-NA regarding both end-game PvE and PvP is an absolute joke. It’s nothing but politics, and people’s wealth and contacts that enable them to do these types of grand things. Are there some players who truly are that good, and honestly earned all of their skins and accolades? Absolutely. Without a doubt they exist. But! Those players are very much so far and few. Often times the GM’s of these guilds requesting these outlandish requirements for PvE trials can’t even meet their own standards on their best day (seen this as well), and in PvP are straight bums. They have this and that rank, but are garbage players with little to no understand of the basics of combat. They are known for working with other alliances for obtaining emperorship, and have a reputation for attacking empty keeps. They are known for being apart of huge groups, as alone or small-scale they have been seen to get thrashed on numerous occasions. Leading to why they nowadays strictly roll in huge groups.

It’s all smoke and mirrors on PS4-NA, OP. Trust me. I have been there and done that for a lot of things, although I am very ashamed of myself for indulging in the bs back then. It’s all fake. 100%.

Sylosi

ralphylauren wrote: »

so I'm in craglorn on Friday and a cp 98 was running around with a Maw skin, idk what he did to get the skin but a couple of PS4 na elitist were there belittling him...

LOL, that just shows what sad cases they are, I mean in the world of gaming MMORPGs are basically considered a joke when it comes to skill, competitiveness, etc, PvE even more so, but I guess no-marks who think playing Simple Simon against dumb AI is somehow worthy of anything are too bad to even realize that.

knaveofengland

all you need is friends with patience , i havent got that far yet just came back myself from beta . what i would say when playing in dungeons you see players who wait for you , and give some tips , they are the ones who help you get what you need .

so its just find the right players who help .

Sythen88411

Lol..console players

ralphylauren

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

The PS4-NA end-game scene is very much so bad. How do I know? I used to be heavily involved with it. It too is filled with politics and other unnecessary bs, just like PvP in Cyrodiil. The only difference is, in Cyrodiil you’re not cut off from gear for being small-scale and or solo. And thus you don’t have gear locked away from you in that regards. But rather, you have emperorship out of reach. Both of these things of course being mitigated by how much gold you’ll front (which is disgusting).

I’ll put it to you all like this regarding PS4-NA’s raiding community. Every single top end-game PvE guild (literally ALL of the top guilds) are: Drama-filled, ego-fueled, e-fame obsessed, cringeworthy, man-childs and wretches. Every single 1 these days. You can be the most talented, well-mannered, and quiet person. And still get shut down or asked to “tryout” for these clowns, and most of the time the people asking you to perform said feats can’t even accomplish them themselves. But are merely parroting what they saw someone else say.

Proof? I was apart of multiple end-game PvE guilds at a time, which constantly placed within Top 24 on trial leaderboards every single week. Without fail. And 1 of the things that I’d begin to notice within these guilds was how the GM would intentionally segregate their own guild (often leading to tensions). There would be the regular members, and then there would be an “A-Team” (eventually colors started being used to mask what he were doing). The “A-Team” would consist of people who the GM personally felt was their top players. These are the folks who they’d bring along for hard mode clears, and would bring along for “carry runs” (you get paid an obnoxiously high amount of gold to carry someone through a trial). Naturally people would catch on, and leave said guilds after discovering something was odd about them being invited to stuff. But, that is how it would go. And you’d ping-pong over and over like this.

Now here’s the kicker. 2 of the guilds I was in at the time had this 1 female player, who was extremely subpar. Her DPS was atrocious, and often times a few of us would talk in secret how she was apart of the guild to begin with. In trials she’d always be 1 of the 1st few people to need a rez, she had little to no rotation, and she barely followed mechanics. Yet the GM’s still has her as a DPS for the guild, even though the required DPS at the time was ~40k (and she would barely push past 25k is my guess). But anyway, I see her a few months later after I had left the entire end-game PvE scene with the VHoF skin, showing off hard mode clear treasures, behaving arrogantly and calling herself giving advice on how to get Flawless Conqueror...

Keep in mind, I had NEVER seen this chick in VMA. Ever. Let alone discussing it. And I had been in 2 guilds with her for months. Months! I attended all of her DPS tests back then, as well as had done numerous trials with this broad. Now all of sudden a few months later, she’s some “super pro” giving out advice (which was entirely inaccurate and wrong by the way), and behaving all superior to the players asking in zone chat about help with VMA? So I ask her in zone chat when it was that she became said VMA Pro (which she clearly wasn’t from the things she was saying), being as I had never seen her do VMA. Nor have I ever seen her do anything remarkable without being carried. And she proceedsto ask me where my HM treasures are for things like VHoF and VAS. Lol. She proceeds to ask where this and that skin is, knowing I had left that entire scene behind. And how great she is.

The point I’m trying to make is, the scene on PS4-NA regarding both end-game PvE and PvP is an absolute joke. It’s nothing but politics, and people’s wealth and contacts that enable them to do these types of grand things. Are there some players who truly are that good, and honestly earned all of their skins and accolades? Absolutely. Without a doubt they exist. But! Those players are very much so far and few. Often times the GM’s of these guilds requesting these outlandish requirements for PvE trials can’t even meet their own standards on their best day (seen this as well), and in PvP are straight bums. They have this and that rank, but are garbage players with little to no understand of the basics of combat. They are known for working with other alliances for obtaining emperorship, and have a reputation for attacking empty keeps. They are known for being apart of huge groups, as alone or small-scale they have been seen to get thrashed on numerous occasions. Leading to why they nowadays strictly roll in huge groups.

It’s all smoke and mirrors on PS4-NA, OP. Trust me. I have been there and done that for a lot of things, although I am very ashamed of myself for indulging in the bs back then. It’s all fake. 100%.

Love this post and honestly people need to tell more of these stories so we can bring awareness to this problem. I find it hilarious that SOME players actually came to this forum to criticize me. Anyways like I said before if ZOS was to create a guild achievement "CLEAR [X] TRIAL WITH 11 SKINNED ACCOUNTS AND 1 UNSKINED ACCOUNT [X] TIMES"

These "elitist" would be HUNTING for players to literally carry. But I'm not asking for ZOS to do this I just want access to the skin in another way that didn't require 11 other good players.

rafaelcsmaia

@ralphylauren I feel you, I'm at ps4 NA as well and the amount of try hards is over the roof. If you participate on the facebook page you can get an idea: People charging for skins all the time, people that brag about pretty much everything and find funny to dimish others and nonsensical discussions and toxicity.

I play this game to enjoy myself, I like to finish hard content of course, but some of it is already stressful enough to have people raging and crying like babies, I can't stand that, I work full time and dont feel like being bossed around by some teenager tryhard when I get home.

The problem with ESO is the problem with the society itself, they're not willing to grow as a group. Lets say you have a VMOL group going and one or two guys are messing up the mechanics for the twins. Isnt it easier to just kick them or dont call em the next day? Of course it is.

Contrary to what the cool kids want you to believe, the end game content in this game is NOT HARD, it just takes group synergy, which will never be achieved in a toxic environment.

ProfesseurFreder

I don't understand a single thing the op typed.

kylewwefan

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

@ralphylauren I feel you, I'm at ps4 NA as well and the amount of try hards is over the roof. If you participate on the facebook page you can get an idea: People charging for skins all the time, people that brag about pretty much everything and find funny to dimish others and nonsensical discussions and toxicity.

I play this game to enjoy myself, I like to finish hard content of course, but some of it is already stressful enough to have people raging and crying like babies, I can't stand that, I work full time and dont feel like being bossed around by some teenager tryhard when I get home.

The problem with ESO is the problem with the society itself, they're not willing to grow as a group. Lets say you have a VMOL group going and one or two guys are messing up the mechanics for the twins. Isnt it easier to just kick them or dont call em the next day? Of course it is.

Contrary to what the cool kids want you to believe, the end game content in this game is NOT HARD, it just takes group synergy, which will never be achieved in a toxic environment.

I have to disagree with you there. Endgame is very hard. You know how many Vet dungeons I’ve gotten into at the last boss. All the time. Same with trials. From guilds and zone chat. If it was not hard this wouldn’t happen.

It might not have been intended this way from the devs, but is what it has become. Was lunar phase designed to be played out, or just skipped from high DPS?
DSA has become popular lately too. Was it intended to play out the way everyone does now? I don’t think so, but it’s apparently much easier. I’ve seen no one or any guide recommend killing all of Hiath’s mini bosses.

The Crag trials are all DPS check; that fail all the time. Because they’re easy? No. They’re quite difficult really. Even with decent DPS.

Take my advice, Save some gold up. Pay the mercenaries for your carry and be done with it. I’ve been in Trials guilds since start. Good luck getting on their “A” team. No one just waltzes in to VMOL, VHOF, or VAS with total pug and gets it done.

Any of the big trade guilds can hook you up with the right people. They’re not gonna do it for free or satisfaction of helping you out though. This is what they do.

bitels

"I deserve the [insert name here], just because i want it"

If you want a skin then join a guild (i dont belive there are only 2 guilds on your server) or start you own. Simple as that. But i know- both of those things would require actual effort to do

ralphylauren

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

@ralphylauren I feel you, I'm at ps4 NA as well and the amount of try hards is over the roof. If you participate on the facebook page you can get an idea: People charging for skins all the time, people that brag about pretty much everything and find funny to dimish others and nonsensical discussions and toxicity.

I play this game to enjoy myself, I like to finish hard content of course, but some of it is already stressful enough to have people raging and crying like babies, I can't stand that, I work full time and dont feel like being bossed around by some teenager tryhard when I get home.

The problem with ESO is the problem with the society itself, they're not willing to grow as a group. Lets say you have a VMOL group going and one or two guys are messing up the mechanics for the twins. Isnt it easier to just kick them or dont call em the next day? Of course it is.

Contrary to what the cool kids want you to believe, the end game content in this game is NOT HARD, it just takes group synergy, which will never be achieved in a toxic environment.

Love this post. Thank you

Ch4mpTW

bitels wrote: »

"I deserve the [insert name here], just because i want it"

If you want a skin then join a guild (i dont belive there are only 2 guilds on your server) or start you own. Simple as that. But i know- both of those things would require actual effort to do

No. It’s not “simple as that”. I have observed the process, as well as been involved in it personally. It is never that simple. Why? Because of ego.

Let me break it down for you...

First of all, most of the top end-game guilds that regularly do things like: VHoF, VMoL, VASHM, etc. want absolutely nothing to do with you if you have no rep. It sounds cringeworthy as hell, yes. I know. But, it’s the truth. Unless you’re cool with a hand few of folks, and or have a name that resonates a bit of a buzz? Forget about it. You can have all types of wonderfully high DPS, and learn/follow mechanics flawlessly. And it won’t mean squat to these guilds. Why? Because they don’t know your. And if the don’t know you, why should they take a chance with you? That’s their mentality.

Second of all, most of the top end-game guilds are full of frauds themselves (save for their “A Team”). I’ve been invited to numerous carry runs back when I was involved in all that crap to help people get skins for gold, and on multiple occasions the person running the carry run would have to pull people from other guilds. Why? Because his “A-Team” couldn’t cut it, EVEN THOUGH the people invited had the skin of the trial in question. I cant tell you how many VMoL skin runs I was apart of where “skinned” people were invited to the carry run, and still had no idea when to rotate on The Twins. Let alone couldn’t run the back area on Rakkat. I’m talking off-tanks that wouldn’t interrupt-bash, chainers not chaining properly, etc. Yet these same clowns could be spotted in zone chat in Craglorn or Grahtwood huddled around, and trying to front like they are good. Lmao.

Which leads to the third poin. A lot of the people who get skins and all that in these guilds? Are tanks and healers. Why? Because they couldn’t cut it as DPS. They would fail time after time on their DPS tests, and often times couldn’t even grasp a basic rotation. Let alone meet the given standard for what was required. I for 1 always hated DPS tests, because I found them ignorant. Plus, they don’t truly show the ability of the player at hand. And! A lot of the people who’d do said DPS tests wouldn’t even be wearing the same gear, and or use the same skills that they were doing in the test in an actual trial. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen Mr. Über Pro with such and such time get praised for how well they did on the DPS test, but meanwhile in a trial they’re constantly needing to get rezzed. They’re constantly ignoring mechanics and wiping the group.

So no. It’s not that simple. Far from it. I have been apart of multiple top end-game guilds on PS4-NA, participated in numerous carry runs (shamefully enough), and have been apart of numerous “A Teams”.

ralphylauren

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

bitels wrote: »

"I deserve the [insert name here], just because i want it"

If you want a skin then join a guild (i dont belive there are only 2 guilds on your server) or start you own. Simple as that. But i know- both of those things would require actual effort to do

No. It’s not “simple as that”. I have observed the process, as well as been involved in it personally. It is never that simple. Why? Because of ego.

Let me break it down for you...

First of all, most of the top end-game guilds that regularly do things like: VHoF, VMoL, VASHM, etc. want absolutely nothing to do with you if you have no rep. It sounds cringeworthy as hell, yes. I know. But, it’s the truth. Unless you’re cool with a hand few of folks, and or have a name that resonates a bit of a buzz? Forget about it. You can have all types of wonderfully high DPS, and learn/follow mechanics flawlessly. And it won’t mean squat to these guilds. Why? Because they don’t know your. And if the don’t know you, why should they take a chance with you? That’s their mentality.

Second of all, most of the top end-game guilds are full of frauds themselves (save for their “A Team”). I’ve been invited to numerous carry runs back when I was involved in all that crap to help people get skins for gold, and on multiple occasions the person running the carry run would have to pull people from other guilds. Why? Because his “A-Team” couldn’t cut it, EVEN THOUGH the people invited had the skin of the trial in question. I cant tell you how many VMoL skin runs I was apart of where “skinned” people were invited to the carry run, and still had no idea when to rotate on The Twins. Let alone couldn’t run the back area on Rakkat. I’m talking off-tanks that wouldn’t interrupt-bash, chainers not chaining properly, etc. Yet these same clowns could be spotted in zone chat in Craglorn or Grahtwood huddled around, and trying to front like they are good. Lmao.

Which leads to the third poin. A lot of the people who get skins and all that in these guilds? Are tanks and healers. Why? Because they couldn’t cut it as DPS. They would fail time after time on their DPS tests, and often times couldn’t even grasp a basic rotation. Let alone meet the given standard for what was required. I for 1 always hated DPS tests, because I found them ignorant. Plus, they don’t truly show the ability of the player at hand. And! A lot of the people who’d do said DPS tests wouldn’t even be wearing the same gear, and or use the same skills that they were doing in the test in an actual trial. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen Mr. Über Pro with such and such time get praised for how well they did on the DPS test, but meanwhile in a trial they’re constantly needing to get rezzed. They’re constantly ignoring mechanics and wiping the group.

So no. It’s not that simple. Far from it. I have been apart of multiple top end-game guilds on PS4-NA, participated in numerous carry runs (shamefully enough), and have been apart of numerous “A Teams”.

GREAT POST, im actually Doing 32k with gear in skills that I actually use in game. I know hitting that number isn't the greatest but I know it's pretty damn good. But thank you for your post and insight, Some players are acting as if I'm lying or something when I speak on this problem with these elitist.

Vaoh

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

The PS4-NA end-game scene is very much so bad. How do I know? I used to be heavily involved with it. It too is filled with politics and other unnecessary bs, just like PvP in Cyrodiil. The only difference is, in Cyrodiil you’re not cut off from gear for being small-scale and or solo. And thus you don’t have gear locked away from you in that regards. But rather, you have emperorship out of reach. Both of these things of course being mitigated by how much gold you’ll front (which is disgusting).

I’ll put it to you all like this regarding PS4-NA’s raiding community. Every single top end-game PvE guild (literally ALL of the top guilds) are: Drama-filled, ego-fueled, e-fame obsessed, cringeworthy, man-childs and wretches. Every single 1 these days. You can be the most talented, well-mannered, and quiet person. And still get shut down or asked to “tryout” for these clowns, and most of the time the people asking you to perform said feats can’t even accomplish them themselves. But are merely parroting what they saw someone else say.

Proof? I was apart of multiple end-game PvE guilds at a time, which constantly placed within Top 24 on trial leaderboards every single week. Without fail. And 1 of the things that I’d begin to notice within these guilds was how the GM would intentionally segregate their own guild (often leading to tensions). There would be the regular members, and then there would be an “A-Team” (eventually colors started being used to mask what he were doing). The “A-Team” would consist of people who the GM personally felt was their top players. These are the folks who they’d bring along for hard mode clears, and would bring along for “carry runs” (you get paid an obnoxiously high amount of gold to carry someone through a trial). Naturally people would catch on, and leave said guilds after discovering something was odd about them being invited to stuff. But, that is how it would go. And you’d ping-pong over and over like this.

Now here’s the kicker. 2 of the guilds I was in at the time had this 1 female player, who was extremely subpar. Her DPS was atrocious, and often times a few of us would talk in secret how she was apart of the guild to begin with. In trials she’d always be 1 of the 1st few people to need a rez, she had little to no rotation, and she barely followed mechanics. Yet the GM’s still has her as a DPS for the guild, even though the required DPS at the time was ~40k (and she would barely push past 25k is my guess). But anyway, I see her a few months later after I had left the entire end-game PvE scene with the VHoF skin, showing off hard mode clear treasures, behaving arrogantly and calling herself giving advice on how to get Flawless Conqueror...

Keep in mind, I had NEVER seen this chick in VMA. Ever. Let alone discussing it. And I had been in 2 guilds with her for months. Months! I attended all of her DPS tests back then, as well as had done numerous trials with this broad. Now all of sudden a few months later, she’s some “super pro” giving out advice (which was entirely inaccurate and wrong by the way), and behaving all superior to the players asking in zone chat about help with VMA? So I ask her in zone chat when it was that she became said VMA Pro (which she clearly wasn’t from the things she was saying), being as I had never seen her do VMA. Nor have I ever seen her do anything remarkable without being carried. And she proceedsto ask me where my HM treasures are for things like VHoF and VAS. Lol. She proceeds to ask where this and that skin is, knowing I had left that entire scene behind. And how great she is.

The point I’m trying to make is, the scene on PS4-NA regarding both end-game PvE and PvP is an absolute joke. It’s nothing but politics, and people’s wealth and contacts that enable them to do these types of grand things. Are there some players who truly are that good, and honestly earned all of their skins and accolades? Absolutely. Without a doubt they exist. But! Those players are very much so far and few. Often times the GM’s of these guilds requesting these outlandish requirements for PvE trials can’t even meet their own standards on their best day (seen this as well), and in PvP are straight bums. They have this and that rank, but are garbage players with little to no understand of the basics of combat. They are known for working with other alliances for obtaining emperorship, and have a reputation for attacking empty keeps. They are known for being apart of huge groups, as alone or small-scale they have been seen to get thrashed on numerous occasions. Leading to why they nowadays strictly roll in huge groups.

It’s all smoke and mirrors on PS4-NA, OP. Trust me. I have been there and done that for a lot of things, although I am very ashamed of myself for indulging in the bs back then. It’s all fake. 100%.

^^^ Basically everything right here @Ch4mpTW has said. The whole environment is honestly toxic. Idk if it’s like that on other servers. I’m not even participating much at all in trials these days because:
1. Too much schoolwork lately to raid on a consistent schedule or play a lot of ESO. I want to have a real life too lol. Even still I’m bothered to join runs despite constantly reminding my raid lead to just find a different DD for main team instead of filling every time with a sub.
2. I’m personally detached from all drama going on despite being in one of the “top” endgame PvE guilds, yet just hearing about it on a daily basis makes the game as a whole less fun. I love playing with many different individuals I have met, but as a whole the toxicity between guilds on our server is childish. And truthfully there’s no one side that is better than the other - in the end all of them are essentially as toxic as one another. Nothing is going to change until people look past former grudges and others stop trolling. Another thing is that a lot of people actually thrive on and enjoy the drama. Weird but that’s the truth and why the situation’s currently this way

I still highly dislike the way the OP is going about the whole vMoL skin problem. Understand that a single skin should not matter so much to you that it effects your enjoyment from all of ESO. If you want the skin that bad just join a progression group or create your own. No one said it’ll be easy or quick - get social and this time realize that you have to if you want to earn that skin. Otherwise if you aren’t willing to dedicate the time/effort just farm gold and purchase a carry. Probably a lot less effort to purchase it tbh, but I would *only* recommend that if you have no intention of running trials in the future or improving your own player skill. This is what a lot of ppl who have no interest in trials do - there’s no reason imo that you should go down that route too. If you earn your skin it will be a much better experience, and make you a significantly better player so you can run vHoF next.

josiahva

ralphylauren wrote: »

I have been playing this game from when it released on console. And I must say this has become my favorite game of all time... I know I will probably get flamed for this post but I feel like I need to say something for me and other players who feel like I do but I really dislike the PS4 NA endgame raiding scene. And before I start I'm not talking about your regular Craglorn PUG because in my experience, PUG'ing Vet or Normal Craglorn or even dlc normal raids is pretty enjoyable. You meet a lot of cool endgame players get some gear and lean the mechanics. But what really Makes me angry if I want to goto the next level and get my vmaw skin I have to pay 1.2 million?! Lmfao this *** is a joke, I was told by some players look up the leaderboards and message the players on there. So I did that (left a polite message saying that "I Main DPS I have a main Mag Soc and stam DK both able to hit 32k on a dummy with no cheese, and I have VMA gear etc) and I got only 2 responses back LOL . One player said we charge 1.2 million And another player said we need at least 38k dps... so I'm in craglorn on Friday and a cp 98 was running around with a Maw skin, idk what he did to get the skin but a couple of PS4 na elitist were there belittling him and excusing him of exploiting it. Like I said idk how he got the skin But the CP 98 guy made a great point, he told them "what you guys mad because I have the skin now and I can help others get it too? No one should have to pay 1.2 million for a skin" and I agree with that I just don't agree with exploiting the game. It's like a complete power trip with the top players on PS4 na. If I just want a skin not a score why can't I join if I can get 30k plus dps, know the game mechanics and will pull my own weight? it really feels like these players want you to digitally kiss there asses for [X] amount of months to even be thought of to get in one of these groups and that's just not me, I refuse to sit up and tell another player how OP he or she is to get my skin. I have seen this and it really disgusts me and really starting to make me hate this game.

ZOS I plead with you please make some type of content VMa so players can get their Vmaw skin VHOF skin etc. players should not have a monopoly on the end game raiding scene.

Sorry for any spelling errors run on sentences I am just venting

Get good enough that a group will take you along for free, problem solved. If you arent good enough to earn the skin on your own, you don't deserve it, I don't care how cool it looks.

Balticthunder

I think that problem with this kind of internet games is that while they are positioned as MMOs in reality they are just multiplayer games, where all the best content and rewards are meant for the small group of people , who mostly are real life friends, know each other and have free time to play together. For the rest there is this MMO game run in back ground with your normal "questing "' content.
Unfortunately many of us, by growing older, dont have those real life friends, who can game with us anymore, thanks to many obstacles like family or jobs, so we are left out of the best content even if we have skill to make it.
Sure, we can find and join guilds, but what it gives if you arent very social active and cant play enough to run with the best, so we end to be just a names and numbers in those guilds.
I think this formula that the best rewards and content is meant only for few people in MMOs must change - times has passed when only teens played games, those teens now are past 40 you know!

Idinuse

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

The PS4-NA end-game scene is very much so bad. How do I know? I used to be heavily involved with it. It too is filled with politics and other unnecessary bs, just like PvP in Cyrodiil. The only difference is, in Cyrodiil you’re not cut off from gear for being small-scale and or solo. And thus you don’t have gear locked away from you in that regards. But rather, you have emperorship out of reach. Both of these things of course being mitigated by how much gold you’ll front (which is disgusting).

I’ll put it to you all like this regarding PS4-NA’s raiding community. Every single top end-game PvE guild (literally ALL of the top guilds) are: Drama-filled, ego-fueled, e-fame obsessed, cringeworthy, man-childs and wretches. Every single 1 these days. You can be the most talented, well-mannered, and quiet person. And still get shut down or asked to “tryout” for these clowns, and most of the time the people asking you to perform said feats can’t even accomplish them themselves. But are merely parroting what they saw someone else say.

Proof? I was apart of multiple end-game PvE guilds at a time, which constantly placed within Top 24 on trial leaderboards every single week. Without fail. And 1 of the things that I’d begin to notice within these guilds was how the GM would intentionally segregate their own guild (often leading to tensions). There would be the regular members, and then there would be an “A-Team” (eventually colors started being used to mask what he were doing). The “A-Team” would consist of people who the GM personally felt was their top players. These are the folks who they’d bring along for hard mode clears, and would bring along for “carry runs” (you get paid an obnoxiously high amount of gold to carry someone through a trial). Naturally people would catch on, and leave said guilds after discovering something was odd about them being invited to stuff. But, that is how it would go. And you’d ping-pong over and over like this.

Now here’s the kicker. 2 of the guilds I was in at the time had this 1 female player, who was extremely subpar. Her DPS was atrocious, and often times a few of us would talk in secret how she was apart of the guild to begin with. In trials she’d always be 1 of the 1st few people to need a rez, she had little to no rotation, and she barely followed mechanics. Yet the GM’s still has her as a DPS for the guild, even though the required DPS at the time was ~40k (and she would barely push past 25k is my guess). But anyway, I see her a few months later after I had left the entire end-game PvE scene with the VHoF skin, showing off hard mode clear treasures, behaving arrogantly and calling herself giving advice on how to get Flawless Conqueror...

Keep in mind, I had NEVER seen this chick in VMA. Ever. Let alone discussing it. And I had been in 2 guilds with her for months. Months! I attended all of her DPS tests back then, as well as had done numerous trials with this broad. Now all of sudden a few months later, she’s some “super pro” giving out advice (which was entirely inaccurate and wrong by the way), and behaving all superior to the players asking in zone chat about help with VMA? So I ask her in zone chat when it was that she became said VMA Pro (which she clearly wasn’t from the things she was saying), being as I had never seen her do VMA. Nor have I ever seen her do anything remarkable without being carried. And she proceedsto ask me where my HM treasures are for things like VHoF and VAS. Lol. She proceeds to ask where this and that skin is, knowing I had left that entire scene behind. And how great she is.

The point I’m trying to make is, the scene on PS4-NA regarding both end-game PvE and PvP is an absolute joke. It’s nothing but politics, and people’s wealth and contacts that enable them to do these types of grand things. Are there some players who truly are that good, and honestly earned all of their skins and accolades? Absolutely. Without a doubt they exist. But! Those players are very much so far and few. Often times the GM’s of these guilds requesting these outlandish requirements for PvE trials can’t even meet their own standards on their best day (seen this as well), and in PvP are straight bums. They have this and that rank, but are garbage players with little to no understand of the basics of combat. They are known for working with other alliances for obtaining emperorship, and have a reputation for attacking empty keeps. They are known for being apart of huge groups, as alone or small-scale they have been seen to get thrashed on numerous occasions. Leading to why they nowadays strictly roll in huge groups.

It’s all smoke and mirrors on PS4-NA, OP. Trust me. I have been there and done that for a lot of things, although I am very ashamed of myself for indulging in the bs back then. It’s all fake. 100%.

Danksta

ralphylauren wrote: »

Hey guys I never asked to be carried I never said i wasn't willing to lean with a progression group, I'm just saying that I have never ran into a vmaw progression group that's actively helping players on PS4 na. Now that is MY singular experience while I have been playing this game, and it doesn't mean that anyone else experienced the same thing. Everyone I run into with a trial skin I ask them about their guild and tell them the dps numbers I'm pulling , gear I'm wearing etc and all I have been hearing is "MY GUILD DONT REALLY LIKE TO ADD NEW PLAYERS" OR "SORRY WE ARE NOT RECRUITING RIGHT NOW" im really tired of this.

Start your own guild then. Who are you to tell people how to run their own guild. The main guild I run with only has about 20-25 players and we like it that way.

TelvanniWizard

Tasear wrote: »

if only we had a dungeon finder for trials.

God yes, we definitely need (dire need) it!

Horowonnoe

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

"I deserve the [insert name here], just because i want it"

Which leads to the third poin. A lot of the people who get skins and all that in these guilds? Are tanks and healers. Why? Because they couldn’t cut it as DPS. They would fail time after time on their DPS tests, and often times couldn’t even grasp a basic rotation. Let alone meet the given standard for what was required. I for 1 always hated DPS tests, because I found them ignorant. Plus, they don’t truly show the ability of the player at hand. And! A lot of the people who’d do said DPS tests wouldn’t even be wearing the same gear, and or use the same skills that they were doing in the test in an actual trial. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen Mr. Über Pro with such and such time get praised for how well they did on the DPS test, but meanwhile in a trial they’re constantly needing to get rezzed. They’re constantly ignoring mechanics and wiping the group.

So no. It’s not that simple. Far from it. I have been apart of multiple top end-game guilds on PS4-NA, participated in numerous carry runs (shamefully enough), and have been apart of numerous “A Teams”.

I just want to say something here. When was the last time you were in a score run and "carried" a tank through vmol HM? What about vAS HM and carried an offtank? OR "carried" a healer in vHoF HM? Can't remember? Well that is because if such carries even happen, they are extremely rare. If anything, the smoothness of the run depends heavily on support. Have bad support? Have fun wiping over and over because of avoidable mechanics.

Another thing that i want to say here: don't measure others after yourself. I know a lot of healers and tanks who can DPS just fine and in fact have DPS alts and can parse equally if not higher than the "Dps players" in the group. And sometimes people choose roles like Tank and Healer because they are simply bored of playing dps. They want to learn new mechanics, see the trials from another point of view. Or their team needs them in those roles so players adapt for the success of the group.

Adambaker25

jabrone77 wrote: »

Join a guild who have the same ideas and capabilities as you do yourself, and don't settle for just any guild. I've seen plenty of ps4 NA guilds advertise for members who are just like you...
Check out one of @xynode 's live streams.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-rM-3hfqAOSLSP3w_W57Iw

He streams almost every day at 4 p.m. central, and 10 p.m. UK time. Listen to what he says about end game content, ask him a few questions. If you like what he has to say, he has guilds across all platforms on all 6 servers.
His EU ps4 guild is currently running vet hard mode trials with players of any CP. And they are successful. Reached leaderboards and got thier reward last week. Anyone who says you need to pay, or even need to be a certain cp level to do hard content is full of ***. Sure, cp helps, but it's not the end all be all of being able to successfully do content. Some, unfortunately, don't like to hear that. But it's absolutely true. As long as you follow mechanics, cp doesn't matter too much.
If Xynode isn't for you, keep an eye out for a guild that has the same goals as you do yourself. Pugging is rough for trying to accomplish what you want. You need like minded people.

As im in Xynodes guild i will say its a very friendly guild and we do run VET trials.. The other week we done vSO and it was good fun, we had high CP's and low CP's and it was great fun. I couldn't agree more people shouldn't have to pay for skins. It would be nice to see something like VMA for a skin on the first completion.

LeagueTroll

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

If you really want someone to get pissed at you play Teemo Adc

Or yorick back in the days

ralphylauren

Vaoh wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

The PS4-NA end-game scene is very much so bad. How do I know? I used to be heavily involved with it. It too is filled with politics and other unnecessary bs, just like PvP in Cyrodiil. The only difference is, in Cyrodiil you’re not cut off from gear for being small-scale and or solo. And thus you don’t have gear locked away from you in that regards. But rather, you have emperorship out of reach. Both of these things of course being mitigated by how much gold you’ll front (which is disgusting).

I’ll put it to you all like this regarding PS4-NA’s raiding community. Every single top end-game PvE guild (literally ALL of the top guilds) are: Drama-filled, ego-fueled, e-fame obsessed, cringeworthy, man-childs and wretches. Every single 1 these days. You can be the most talented, well-mannered, and quiet person. And still get shut down or asked to “tryout” for these clowns, and most of the time the people asking you to perform said feats can’t even accomplish them themselves. But are merely parroting what they saw someone else say.

Proof? I was apart of multiple end-game PvE guilds at a time, which constantly placed within Top 24 on trial leaderboards every single week. Without fail. And 1 of the things that I’d begin to notice within these guilds was how the GM would intentionally segregate their own guild (often leading to tensions). There would be the regular members, and then there would be an “A-Team” (eventually colors started being used to mask what he were doing). The “A-Team” would consist of people who the GM personally felt was their top players. These are the folks who they’d bring along for hard mode clears, and would bring along for “carry runs” (you get paid an obnoxiously high amount of gold to carry someone through a trial). Naturally people would catch on, and leave said guilds after discovering something was odd about them being invited to stuff. But, that is how it would go. And you’d ping-pong over and over like this.

Now here’s the kicker. 2 of the guilds I was in at the time had this 1 female player, who was extremely subpar. Her DPS was atrocious, and often times a few of us would talk in secret how she was apart of the guild to begin with. In trials she’d always be 1 of the 1st few people to need a rez, she had little to no rotation, and she barely followed mechanics. Yet the GM’s still has her as a DPS for the guild, even though the required DPS at the time was ~40k (and she would barely push past 25k is my guess). But anyway, I see her a few months later after I had left the entire end-game PvE scene with the VHoF skin, showing off hard mode clear treasures, behaving arrogantly and calling herself giving advice on how to get Flawless Conqueror...

Keep in mind, I had NEVER seen this chick in VMA. Ever. Let alone discussing it. And I had been in 2 guilds with her for months. Months! I attended all of her DPS tests back then, as well as had done numerous trials with this broad. Now all of sudden a few months later, she’s some “super pro” giving out advice (which was entirely inaccurate and wrong by the way), and behaving all superior to the players asking in zone chat about help with VMA? So I ask her in zone chat when it was that she became said VMA Pro (which she clearly wasn’t from the things she was saying), being as I had never seen her do VMA. Nor have I ever seen her do anything remarkable without being carried. And she proceedsto ask me where my HM treasures are for things like VHoF and VAS. Lol. She proceeds to ask where this and that skin is, knowing I had left that entire scene behind. And how great she is.

The point I’m trying to make is, the scene on PS4-NA regarding both end-game PvE and PvP is an absolute joke. It’s nothing but politics, and people’s wealth and contacts that enable them to do these types of grand things. Are there some players who truly are that good, and honestly earned all of their skins and accolades? Absolutely. Without a doubt they exist. But! Those players are very much so far and few. Often times the GM’s of these guilds requesting these outlandish requirements for PvE trials can’t even meet their own standards on their best day (seen this as well), and in PvP are straight bums. They have this and that rank, but are garbage players with little to no understand of the basics of combat. They are known for working with other alliances for obtaining emperorship, and have a reputation for attacking empty keeps. They are known for being apart of huge groups, as alone or small-scale they have been seen to get thrashed on numerous occasions. Leading to why they nowadays strictly roll in huge groups.

It’s all smoke and mirrors on PS4-NA, OP. Trust me. I have been there and done that for a lot of things, although I am very ashamed of myself for indulging in the bs back then. It’s all fake. 100%.

^^^ Basically everything right here @Ch4mpTW has said. The whole environment is honestly toxic. Idk if it’s like that on other servers. I’m not even participating much at all in trials these days because:
1. Too much schoolwork lately to raid on a consistent schedule or play a lot of ESO. I want to have a real life too lol. Even still I’m bothered to join runs despite constantly reminding my raid lead to just find a different DD for main team instead of filling every time with a sub.
2. I’m personally detached from all drama going on despite being in one of the “top” endgame PvE guilds, yet just hearing about it on a daily basis makes the game as a whole less fun. I love playing with many different individuals I have met, but as a whole the toxicity between guilds on our server is childish. And truthfully there’s no one side that is better than the other - in the end all of them are essentially as toxic as one another. Nothing is going to change until people look past former grudges and others stop trolling. Another thing is that a lot of people actually thrive on and enjoy the drama. Weird but that’s the truth and why the situation’s currently this way

I still highly dislike the way the OP is going about the whole vMoL skin problem. Understand that a single skin should not matter so much to you that it effects your enjoyment from all of ESO. If you want the skin that bad just join a progression group or create your own. No one said it’ll be easy or quick - get social and this time realize that you have to if you want to earn that skin. Otherwise if you aren’t willing to dedicate the time/effort just farm gold and purchase a carry. Probably a lot less effort to purchase it tbh, but I would *only* recommend that if you have no intention of running trials in the future or improving your own player skill. This is what a lot of ppl who have no interest in trials do - there’s no reason imo that you should go down that route too. If you earn your skin it will be a much better experience, and make you a significantly better player so you can run vHoF next.

I agree and disagree with some parts but thank you for the constructive criticism.

ol_BANK_lo

ralphylauren wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

@ralphylauren

It is how it is unfortunately, from my experience is the same on xbox Eu.

I stopped playing in September 2017 but at the time I was looking for a no drama guild to do vmol with, including progression guilds. I was at/near top 1% pulling 40k+ self buffed on multiple classes, had flawless vma on all classes (mag and stam), had all perfect gold gear etc, had a trails ready tank, I was equipped. Still couldn't find anything.

A trails guild I was in regularly doing hm craglorn trails but never attempt mol. Anyway 1 day a guy in the guild was looking for multiple dps for vmol run, I asked to join. He said no as only people who beat it were joining, he'd only beaten it once, he was not max cp, and on the roster his dps scores was barely 30k. Me with over 40k not allowed in. Anyway point is a few times things like this happens and it proves people are can be very petty for whatever reasons.

Agreed, but is what's more alarming is that 1. It's like players are scared to speak on it because there will be players to come out and attack them. Look at me for instance someone actually had the nerve to post that 30k DPS isn't enough to get a clear on vet dlc Trails.

What i have come to realize is that a lot of people have *** up real lives and ESO is their only outlet that they can feel important in. So if they have to deny players access to content it makes them feel like that manager that's always mentally abusing them at work. It's like ESO is full of a bunch of toxic ass Darwin Award winners on PS4 na. But what ever it's like I'm speaking French and players/people have grown to accept *** like this from others.

And I'm telling you guys on a bigger note if the endgame scene stays this way and ZOS doesn't balance out the end game rewards for players who can't just "FIND OTHER PLAYERS THAT CAN TRY 6HRS DAILY AND WHO CAN PLAY AT THE SAME TIME OF DAY AND BE THAT GOOD TO COMPLETE SAID CONTENT" , this game will die.

AND AGAIN FOR ALL THE DARWIN AWARD WINNERS IM NOT ASKING TO BE CARIED IM NOT ASKING PLAYERS TO CARRY OTHERS, IM JUST ASKING ZOS TO CREATE SOMETHING VMA LIKE SO THAT I CAN GO IN COMPLETE IT AND GET MY VMAW SKIN. THATS ALL


But with saying that thanks for the advice and constructive criticism from the real polite players, I will take you guys advice

The whole purpose of a 12 man trial is to have rewards such as leaderboards, gear and skins that give a reason to be in there. If they put a vmol skin in solo content, what's the point? Just because you want something, doesn't mean you get it. Millennial? I would like skins and titles I don't have. I will get them if/when I find the time and the group. I commend those people who have worked for it. I don't commend the people that paid to get carried. But, I get that there is a gold for carry tradeoff in the game. That at least allows people to get things that they flat out don't want to spend time doing. I've seen plenty of straight PVPers pay for a skin, because they don't want to spend the time progressing in a PVE world they hate.

ZOS will never stop putting different rewards behind certain activities, including 12 man content. They should. You think the game will die if they don't make these skins available to everyone in solo content...? It will die faster if you do. It totally devalues the skin/title when it is too easily accessible. It's an MMO. They want you to spend time doing their content. The maw skin was the coolest thing around for awhile after it came out. It was totally devalued after both time and paid carries. Even Dro-m'Athra Destroyer titles and Flawless titles have been devalued a little by cheaters. So just because you want something now, doesn't mean you get it. Each bit of content in the game has it's purpose. Dungeons, vDSA, vMA, 12 man trials, PVP.

Sorry, man. I'm tired of these "I want it my way" posts. Find a guild/group at a similar point as you and do it. There literally is no reason for an end-game guild to take someone through who isn't becoming a part of their core. The only incentive is gold. It's just the way it is. They want to work on strats, not carrying someone through (and it's carry no matter how many times you say it isn't). Carrying is bringing someone through who has not completed it. You can say you know the mechanics, but until you've completed it many times, you don't. Just a fact. I've run PUG vmol runs with very skilled players, and the mechanics still getcha sometimes.

Find a group. Learn. Learn some more. Complete. Or just pay. On Xbox NA, I've heard vmol skin prices are way down, because it's old content.

drkfrontiers

Am I the only person that thinks those skins blow chunks. I mean really you couldn't incentivise me with RL money to want to wear that thing.

bitels

@Ch4mpTW
Did I say anything about joining top end-game competitive guild?
Why not to join low-end progression guild? Or even- start one yourself? Sure, you will spend many attempts and many hours on practicing trial. There will be many wipes until everyone will understand mechanics, but it have been done many times in the past. There are multiple guides online, explaining every tactic in every trial. I was in runs of guilds just like that- who spend 3-4h only on doing twins.
But you know what is problem with that solution? It requires effort and dedication. And most ppl are not interested in paying that price. Most ppl rather come to forum and expect ZoS to add achievement that will force end-game guilds to CARRY them thru trial. Its just ridiculous.

Balticthunder

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Am I the only person that thinks those skins blow chunks. I mean really you couldn't incentivise me with RL money to want to wear that thing.

Nope, youre not alone -never understood appeal of those ugly skins!

Balticthunder

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

It's just the way it is.

Maybe it is time to change this old gaming formula to something new and different, otherwise this kind of games sooner or later will die out along with their audience