Back after year long break...

yake82

Whats happened to playerbase?
I join PUG and its votekick galore. People coming and going like its the bank of Daggerfall.
I do like to run PUGs and i dont remember it being like this before? Or was it? Seems like no one has an ounce of patience anymore.

Also... First vMA weekly reward was the sharp Inferno stick...

Turelus

Congrats on the reward!

As for vote kicks it's a weird culture going on right now. Not everyone is like it but there are elements of the community who feel they alone choose who's worthy of groups and what performance level players should be at.
It's not every PUG so just be friendly, do your best and have fun where you can.

LordGavus

Probably just got a bad group?
It don't feel it's any different to a year ago personally

Nice work on the vma staff. Maybe if I take a break I'll get one too...

Tasear

Depends

Was it new dungeons? Answer is it's sometimes impossible to now work with some people. Why dps checks, tank checks and healer checks. There's increase risks for failing this if you say die on mobs, tank gets one shotted or drops to 2k health after 1 hit. Spaming snipe...or light attacks. Real question is how do you say to your teammate or stranger you just started working together it's not me but it's you nicely.

Judas Helviaryn

It's the 'Wannabe MLG' community.

The best thing to do is point and laugh at them, and carry on.

ArchMikem

Tasear wrote: »

Depends

Was it new dungeons? Answer is it's sometimes impossible to now work with some people. Why dps checks, tank checks and healer checks. There's increase risks for failing this if you say die on mobs, tank gets one shotted or drops to 2k health after 1 hit. Spaming snipe...or light attacks. Real question is how do you say to your teammate or stranger you just started working together it's not me but it's you nicely.

I did nBloodroot tonight and on the Hagraven two people got caught in the large AoE and I couldnt Heal them through it. After all the adds ganged me into oblivion I asked why they didnt get out of the red. I got called an ass hole for that.

OGLezard

Lol

Tasear

ArchMikem wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Depends

Was it new dungeons? Answer is it's sometimes impossible to now work with some people. Why dps checks, tank checks and healer checks. There's increase risks for failing this if you say die on mobs, tank gets one shotted or drops to 2k health after 1 hit. Spaming snipe...or light attacks. Real question is how do you say to your teammate or stranger you just started working together it's not me but it's you nicely.

I did nBloodroot tonight and on the Hagraven two people got caught in the large AoE and I couldnt Heal them through it. After all the adds ganged me into oblivion I asked why they didnt get out of the red. I got called an ass hole for that.

1) it's always healer fault

2) healers job is explain why team isn't working.

3) vote to kick first when situation is impossible or people blame you for nonsense.

4) be polite is guy is not a jerk. " We can do this with you.

5) get out of stupid. Walk away when things are that bad.

Anhedonie

There are a lot of reasons. From being dd warden to simply being an ***.

xeNNNNN

Turelus wrote: »

Congrats on the reward!

As for vote kicks it's a weird culture going on right now. Not everyone is like it but there are elements of the community who feel they alone choose who's worthy of groups and what performance level players should be at.
It's not every PUG so just be friendly, do your best and have fun where you can.

Too be honest, if more of the respected players spoke up and told people to be tolerant and such i.e the youtubers we'd probably have a better time. People actually listen to them you know so they could make a difference.

The elitism is the problem at the moment. People have "DPS standards" which is absurd. If you dont meet a certain amount they will exaggerate and state that the dungeon will take a whole hour to complete and they will rage at you. This is why I haven't bothered with my mag DK in dungeons or anything. Its supposed to be a very specific build for pvp and I cant even get the passives for it because of this elitism crap urgh.

Voxicity

I don't usually initiate a vote kick, but if the player being voted on continuously fails to perform after having mechanics explained, then I will vote yes to the kick. I've spent a lot of time in this game with my wife helping people (literally carrying them) through every Vet DLC dungeon and sometimes on HM... for them to leave without a word of thank you. So we have adopted a more selfish approach and only put the time into helping people who actually seem nice (we're helping some nice people with vFL no death this evening cause they were nice to us after we helped them with vFL HM)

Toxicity goes both ways, at the end of the day. I'm a skilled player, what one might consider 'elite' but I'm also generally quite helpful. I don't get angry or abusive when people fail. But I also don't like people taking me for a mug and being toxic towards me, even if they are new or whatever.

Actually the turning point in my wife and I's attitudes towards helping people was her healing a pug of vet mazzatun. None of the 3 other players had done the dungeon before and so she, as the lovely person she is, explained every mechanic to them for every boss and stayed with them for like 3 hours. She has healed mazzatun no death and HM many times, and tanked it also, so she knows what she's doing. By the end of it, all 3 players started blaming her for the failure at last boss, even though none of them had a shield or blade cloak slotted and were not even playing the mechanics right. They insulted her and so she left and we are much more cautious of helping people out now

Toxicity can come from new players, not just the elites

Rant over sorry

Ohtimbar

People are jerks. Nothing new. I only ever votekick trolls and toxic dude-bros.

coop500

I PUG all the time with no problems, but we could use some context to answer the question.

LeagueTroll

I pug all the time, and i love vote kick complete garb dd. Snipe spammers, crystal shard casters, jesus beam spammers, none of them can do anywhere near a respectable dmg. It is not elitism. These incapable folks feel too entitled already.

yake82

Yesterday i was in a PUG who got no death from COA2, but also had another group who disbanded after Bandu in FG2.

I think the skill/experience/gear gap between newer and older players has gotten very large. And some players are getting intolerant because of this.

Ive been back in ESO for about 2 weeks now and i do feel like votekicking and disbanding is more frequent in PUGs nowdays than it was year ago. Maybe im wrong?


Yeah... About the staff.. I think its not BiS anymore like it was year ago? I got most of the other traits when i was grinding for it. And i can change the traits on them? (I really havent looked into the transmute thing yet...)

Of course the sharp inferno staff was first thing to drop when i dont need it anymore...

Judas Helviaryn

Voxicity wrote: »

I don't usually initiate a vote kick, but if the player being voted on continuously fails to perform after having mechanics explained, then I will vote yes to the kick. I've spent a lot of time in this game with my wife helping people (literally carrying them) through every Vet DLC dungeon and sometimes on HM... for them to leave without a word of thank you. So we have adopted a more selfish approach and only put the time into helping people who actually seem nice (we're helping some nice people with vFL no death this evening cause they were nice to us after we helped them with vFL HM)

Toxicity goes both ways, at the end of the day. I'm a skilled player, what one might consider 'elite' but I'm also generally quite helpful. I don't get angry or abusive when people fail. But I also don't like people taking me for a mug and being toxic towards me, even if they are new or whatever.

Actually the turning point in my wife and I's attitudes towards helping people was her healing a pug of vet mazzatun. None of the 3 other players had done the dungeon before and so she, as the lovely person she is, explained every mechanic to them for every boss and stayed with them for like 3 hours. She has healed mazzatun no death and HM many times, and tanked it also, so she knows what she's doing. By the end of it, all 3 players started blaming her for the failure at last boss, even though none of them had a shield or blade cloak slotted and were not even playing the mechanics right. They insulted her and so she left and we are much more cautious of helping people out now

Toxicity can come from new players, not just the elites

Rant over sorry

I'm honestly right there with you. I still go out of my way to help people who -really- seem to need and appreciate it, and I never expect anything in return, but I've adopted the same mindset with the majority of the community.

Sometimes, I catch myself presuming others guilty unless proven innocent, so I know I can come across as a negative influence to others, but I've learned to take care of my inner circle first.

You can't help anybody else if you never help yourself.

You two sound respectable though. If you're ever on PC/NA, I'm happy to lend a hand most any time!

visionality

PUG groups have changed a lot over the last year. I think its due to ZOS' attitude towards speedleveling everybody with no regard to his skills (e.g. by XP events), leaving people with 300 or 400 CPS who would not have hit veteran levels at all a year ago.

Nowadays, you can run through a vet dungeon with a 400 cp templar healer who's ONLY healing skill is BOL which he can ONLY cast after two heavy attacks because he's out of magicka almost all the time, and you can see CP 200 tanks who do not even know what a taunt is. Never mention the light-attack-spamming DDs with a bow.

People seem to be much more readily to kick other players because there is - sorry - so much garbage around. Also, the average age of the player base seems to have gone down drastically. I see so many immature teenagers nowadays in this game that I wonder where every respectable person has moved to.