Overload needs a nerf!

RinaldoGandolphi

So let’s get this straight

Power Overload used to increase damage by 15% and that was nerfed to 6%

Then they nerfed it where you can only store 500 ultimate for Overload instead of 1000


And folks still want to complain about it? No skill in the game has been nerfed as hard as Overload.


Mag Sorc is not really in a good place right now. It’s one of the weaker classes, all it really has is Bolt Escape now...Stam builds or more mobile, mag Nightblades are better casters, Templars are better healers, other mag classes are better damage dealers. Look how rough mag Sorcs have had it in Legends duels as of late...it’s pretty painful

deepseamk20b14_ESO

I feel like this is a first. Has anyone ever actually complained about overload before?

Cage_Lizardman

Sorcs have been nerfed enough. I started feeling so sorry for them I even stopped using shieldbreaker.

Malamar1229

giant sparkly, slow moving balls are hard to see

Arkangeloski

seanj87 wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

It is an ultimate u know...

An ultimate that can be cast 20 times in a row

Dodge roll block or shield up... it has counterplay and it was already nerfed, belive me there is worst unblockable dmg going around. U just need a little more practice, duel a sorc friend and create diferent scenarios. You will see it is not as strong you think.

Arkangeloski

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

So let’s get this straight

Power Overload used to increase damage by 15% and that was nerfed to 6%

Then they nerfed it where you can only store 500 ultimate for Overload instead of 1000


And folks still want to complain about it? No skill in the game has been nerfed as hard as Overload.


Mag Sorc is not really in a good place right now. It’s one of the weaker classes, all it really has is Bolt Escape now...Stam builds or more mobile, mag Nightblades are better casters, Templars are better healers, other mag classes are better damage dealers. Look how rough mag Sorcs have had it in Legends duels as of late...it’s pretty painful

They are not in a bad place lol.

Morgul667

Cant remember last time I got killed by overload, but yeah you're right its gotta be OP

PS: No I dont play magsorc

PhoenixGrey

another sorc nerf ???

This is a troll thread right ?

a1i3nz

Quit crying

Nerfs are what have made pvp suck

IZZEFlameLash

Just realized, what do you even wear to get hit by blast for 8k? Lol

Minalan

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

So let’s get this straight

Power Overload used to increase damage by 15% and that was nerfed to 6%

Then they nerfed it where you can only store 500 ultimate for Overload instead of 1000


And folks still want to complain about it? No skill in the game has been nerfed as hard as Overload.


Mag Sorc is not really in a good place right now. It’s one of the weaker classes, all it really has is Bolt Escape now...Stam builds or more mobile, mag Nightblades are better casters, Templars are better healers, other mag classes are better damage dealers. Look how rough mag Sorcs have had it in Legends duels as of late...it’s pretty painful

We’re in an absolute terrible place right now competitively.

It’d be nice if the devs would fix it so that we’re not free AP Piñatas for every other class. @ZOS_GinaBruno

IZZEFlameLash

Minalan wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

So let’s get this straight

Power Overload used to increase damage by 15% and that was nerfed to 6%

Then they nerfed it where you can only store 500 ultimate for Overload instead of 1000


And folks still want to complain about it? No skill in the game has been nerfed as hard as Overload.


Mag Sorc is not really in a good place right now. It’s one of the weaker classes, all it really has is Bolt Escape now...Stam builds or more mobile, mag Nightblades are better casters, Templars are better healers, other mag classes are better damage dealers. Look how rough mag Sorcs have had it in Legends duels as of late...it’s pretty painful

We’re in an absolute terrible place right now competitively.

It’d be nice if the devs would fix it so that we’re not free AP Piñatas for every other class. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Excuse me, are you trying to compete with magicka Wardens and mDKs for AP pinatas spot?

Master_Kas

Minalan wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Overload needs a BUFF! Those are pitiful numbers compared to Leap or Incap.

Hardly.

My dual wielding dk's leap with spinner + sun + slimecraw with continious and infused spelldmg glyph proc is shortly above 27k

Meanwhile my overload sorcs (blobs wannabe spinner+slime+elegant) is shortly over 30k PER overload lightattack. Empowered

Both with apprentice mundus with 6 divine 1 impen.
Darkelf dk and altmer sorc.
The DK even has full undaunted where the sorc is undaunted 7.

Tough for some reason when I use magelight my leap tooltip doesn't go up. But leap you use once, overload you can store up to 500 and spam.

So no, you can get similar damage to leap/incap in ONE overload lightattack if not more. Not a good thing to compare it with

Derra wrote: »

Overload plays a very clear and audible soundcue when it´s fired at your character giving you enough time to innitiate countermeasures.
A simple dodgeroll on hearing it would have saved you. Block aswell.

Not if you don't run miats to save you from the crystal blast stun or even worse, runecage which cannot be dodged or blocked. Until you CC break you eat atleast one overload. Similar to the high damage snipe builds you seemed to dislike.

So instagibbing with overload/sorc is fine?

Let me get this straight.

Overload is ‘balanced’ because it does as much damage as every other ultimate in the game. ONLY when wearing a garbage set that buffs light attack damage? AND empower? That’s 40% stacked bonuses...

https://youtu.be/qHBQ0c5f-Zo

If anything, nerf queens elegance set. Leave our damn ultimate alone. *** potatoes are ruining this game with the crying. All day and night. Whining. About a class that’s already been nerfed into complete stupid to play anymore.

Delete your damn game already!

Edit:

I think you need to read my post again and see who/what I replied to. It wasn't to the OP claiming overload needs to be nerfed.

That person wrote that it does pitiful damage compared to leap / incap which simply isn't true.
While forgetting that you use leap / incap once and it's gone, meanwhile you can spam overloads FROM greater range with SIMILAR damage tooltip WITHOUT empower aswell.

I simply pointed out that it wasn't correct.

If you want I can take screenshots from both my sorc and dk on their tooltips with glasscannon gear without empower if that statisfies you?

Perhaps you should go ahead and delete your forum account instead?

Lord-Otto

It's a gank build.
I've been hit by it and survived. I've been hit by NB bombs and survived. And I'm in light armor. OP needs some form of additional defense. Maybe more impen, more efficient CP allocation, a defensive set or buff, I dunno. I don't care.

However, I wouldn't be opposed to an Overload REWORK.
Get rid of third bar, make toggles slottables and buffs. Make Overload an instant burst ult, akin to Dawnbreaker or Incap. Boom. Sorc now has top tier ultis and is highly competitive again while removing cheesy nonsense.

Qbiken

Imagine if the "Twin Blade and Blunt" passive was active in overload form? Then it would truly be good

Pijng

Oh hi, Blob's build

Domander

No, it doesn't. They sure got you though haha...... moving on.

Cinnamon_Spider

Those numbers are weak.

Minalan

IZZESparkling wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

So let’s get this straight

Power Overload used to increase damage by 15% and that was nerfed to 6%

Then they nerfed it where you can only store 500 ultimate for Overload instead of 1000


And folks still want to complain about it? No skill in the game has been nerfed as hard as Overload.


Mag Sorc is not really in a good place right now. It’s one of the weaker classes, all it really has is Bolt Escape now...Stam builds or more mobile, mag Nightblades are better casters, Templars are better healers, other mag classes are better damage dealers. Look how rough mag Sorcs have had it in Legends duels as of late...it’s pretty painful

We’re in an absolute terrible place right now competitively.

It’d be nice if the devs would fix it so that we’re not free AP Piñatas for every other class. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Excuse me, are you trying to compete with magicka Wardens and mDKs for AP pinatas spot?

This patch? Yes.

PTS isn’t done yet, who knows what they’ll do with both classes?

Master_Kas wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Overload needs a BUFF! Those are pitiful numbers compared to Leap or Incap.

Hardly.

My dual wielding dk's leap with spinner + sun + slimecraw with continious and infused spelldmg glyph proc is shortly above 27k

Meanwhile my overload sorcs (blobs wannabe spinner+slime+elegant) is shortly over 30k PER overload lightattack. Empowered

Both with apprentice mundus with 6 divine 1 impen.
Darkelf dk and altmer sorc.
The DK even has full undaunted where the sorc is undaunted 7.

Tough for some reason when I use magelight my leap tooltip doesn't go up. But leap you use once, overload you can store up to 500 and spam.

So no, you can get similar damage to leap/incap in ONE overload lightattack if not more. Not a good thing to compare it with

Derra wrote: »

Overload plays a very clear and audible soundcue when it´s fired at your character giving you enough time to innitiate countermeasures.
A simple dodgeroll on hearing it would have saved you. Block aswell.

Not if you don't run miats to save you from the crystal blast stun or even worse, runecage which cannot be dodged or blocked. Until you CC break you eat atleast one overload. Similar to the high damage snipe builds you seemed to dislike.

So instagibbing with overload/sorc is fine?

Let me get this straight.

Overload is ‘balanced’ because it does as much damage as every other ultimate in the game. ONLY when wearing a garbage set that buffs light attack damage? AND empower? That’s 40% stacked bonuses...

https://youtu.be/qHBQ0c5f-Zo

If anything, nerf queens elegance set. Leave our damn ultimate alone. *** potatoes are ruining this game with the crying. All day and night. Whining. About a class that’s already been nerfed into complete stupid to play anymore.

Delete your damn game already!

Edit:

I think you need to read my post again and see who/what I replied to. It wasn't to the OP claiming overload needs to be nerfed.

That person wrote that it does pitiful damage compared to leap / incap which simply isn't true.
While forgetting that you use leap / incap once and it's gone, meanwhile you can spam overloads FROM greater range with SIMILAR damage tooltip WITHOUT empower aswell.

I simply pointed out that it wasn't correct.

If you want I can take screenshots from both my sorc and dk on their tooltips with glasscannon gear without empower if that statisfies you?

Perhaps you should go ahead and delete your forum account instead?

It’s blockable, dodgable, and reflectable. When I can reflect your incap back at you and kill you, let’s talk. For the slightly higher damage (on the power morph only) you still don’t get a CC on it like take flight or incap. If you’re getting hit harder than 7-8K or so, you’re not wearing enough armor, impen, or you don’t have enough points in elemental defender and ironclad.

The projectile is also slow, and makes a very distinctive noise like snipe. And for the same cost, you’re only getting a couple of shots. If you save up 500 ult you get more, but then you’re comparing it to something like two consecutive lightning Destro ultimates for damage. Sorry guys, Destro ultimate wins, it can’t be blocked or dodged if you’re stuck in the mess.

I’m pretty sure overload also doesn’t get the ancient knowledge bonus from a Destro staff, where other ults will. Getting in and out of overload is clunky even if you cancel the animation, it’s not like you can smoothly swap weapons back and forth in a fight, (ie shield, heal, and come right back offensive).

That being said, I use it mostly for the third bar for buffs. I really only shoot it at mounted people, or snipe spammers on castle walls who aren’t paying attention.

Do I think it’s balanced? Yes. On Sorcs it is. Give it to a magblade? Probably not.

SirCritical

Agaaaaain, PvP based nerf incomiiiing

NyassaV

Overload needs a cost reduction, and a damage reduction

Biro123

Minalan wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

So let’s get this straight

Power Overload used to increase damage by 15% and that was nerfed to 6%

Then they nerfed it where you can only store 500 ultimate for Overload instead of 1000


And folks still want to complain about it? No skill in the game has been nerfed as hard as Overload.


Mag Sorc is not really in a good place right now. It’s one of the weaker classes, all it really has is Bolt Escape now...Stam builds or more mobile, mag Nightblades are better casters, Templars are better healers, other mag classes are better damage dealers. Look how rough mag Sorcs have had it in Legends duels as of late...it’s pretty painful

We’re in an absolute terrible place right now competitively.

It’d be nice if the devs would fix it so that we’re not free AP Piñatas for every other class. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Excuse me, are you trying to compete with magicka Wardens and mDKs for AP pinatas spot?

This patch? Yes.

PTS isn’t done yet, who knows what they’ll do with both classes?

Master_Kas wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Overload needs a BUFF! Those are pitiful numbers compared to Leap or Incap.

Hardly.

My dual wielding dk's leap with spinner + sun + slimecraw with continious and infused spelldmg glyph proc is shortly above 27k

Meanwhile my overload sorcs (blobs wannabe spinner+slime+elegant) is shortly over 30k PER overload lightattack. Empowered

Both with apprentice mundus with 6 divine 1 impen.
Darkelf dk and altmer sorc.
The DK even has full undaunted where the sorc is undaunted 7.

Tough for some reason when I use magelight my leap tooltip doesn't go up. But leap you use once, overload you can store up to 500 and spam.

So no, you can get similar damage to leap/incap in ONE overload lightattack if not more. Not a good thing to compare it with

Derra wrote: »

Overload plays a very clear and audible soundcue when it´s fired at your character giving you enough time to innitiate countermeasures.
A simple dodgeroll on hearing it would have saved you. Block aswell.

Not if you don't run miats to save you from the crystal blast stun or even worse, runecage which cannot be dodged or blocked. Until you CC break you eat atleast one overload. Similar to the high damage snipe builds you seemed to dislike.

So instagibbing with overload/sorc is fine?

Let me get this straight.

Overload is ‘balanced’ because it does as much damage as every other ultimate in the game. ONLY when wearing a garbage set that buffs light attack damage? AND empower? That’s 40% stacked bonuses...

https://youtu.be/qHBQ0c5f-Zo

If anything, nerf queens elegance set. Leave our damn ultimate alone. *** potatoes are ruining this game with the crying. All day and night. Whining. About a class that’s already been nerfed into complete stupid to play anymore.

Delete your damn game already!

Edit:

I think you need to read my post again and see who/what I replied to. It wasn't to the OP claiming overload needs to be nerfed.

That person wrote that it does pitiful damage compared to leap / incap which simply isn't true.
While forgetting that you use leap / incap once and it's gone, meanwhile you can spam overloads FROM greater range with SIMILAR damage tooltip WITHOUT empower aswell.

I simply pointed out that it wasn't correct.

If you want I can take screenshots from both my sorc and dk on their tooltips with glasscannon gear without empower if that statisfies you?

Perhaps you should go ahead and delete your forum account instead?

It’s blockable, dodgable, and reflectable. When I can reflect your incap back at you and kill you, let’s talk. For the slightly higher damage (on the power morph only) you still don’t get a CC on it like take flight or incap. If you’re getting hit harder than 7-8K or so, you’re not wearing enough armor, impen, or you don’t have enough points in elemental defender and ironclad.

The projectile is also slow, and makes a very distinctive noise like snipe. And for the same cost, you’re only getting a couple of shots. If you save up 500 ult you get more, but then you’re comparing it to something like two consecutive lightning Destro ultimates for damage. Sorry guys, Destro ultimate wins, it can’t be blocked or dodged if you’re stuck in the mess.

I’m pretty sure overload also doesn’t get the ancient knowledge bonus from a Destro staff, where other ults will. Getting in and out of overload is clunky even if you cancel the animation, it’s not like you can smoothly swap weapons back and forth in a fight, (ie shield, heal, and come right back offensive).

That being said, I use it mostly for the third bar for buffs. I really only shoot it at mounted people, or snipe spammers on castle walls who aren’t paying attention.

Do I think it’s balanced? Yes. On Sorcs it is. Give it to a magblade? Probably not.

And what nobody has mentioned yet - it cannot be woven with light/heavy attacks or as a light attack with other abilities. you cannot bar-swap/cancel it, and while running an offensive overload bar, your defensive options are almost nil (barring a clunky switch-off ).

That said thought - there are some nasty overload builds out there - but they are all one-trick ponies with massive weaknesses. Blob's is one (used here) - another is less ganky but involves curse/wrath/overload/rune-prison. Both are clunky as hell if you have to switch to defence.

I've also hit myself with a 16k overload...

Magdalina

Is someone actually legit using Overload still? Aside from ganks - did you get ganked there? Because that's almost the only scenario where it can even be used anymore. You can dodge, block, reflect Overload, some of the times it simply misses just because(I don't mean "dodged", I mean it misses its target, even in PvE. I have no idea why, happens every now and then even with tab targeting), it gets you stuck in heavy attacks some more of the times, it takes FOREVER to hit the target and you're still complaining?

Before doing one of those "nerf this because I got killed by it" threads perhaps do some research into how the skill works and what its counters are. Also 13k damage lol...I've been hit by about that much by Warden birds which aren't even dodgeable(at least they will be next patch, thank the divines)...I've definitely been hit by as much and more with Dizzying Swing and stuff...

Overload is probably the buggiest ultimate in the game, it needs a lot of love and fixes, I really hate how they find it okay to nerf a skill multiple times but not actually FIX it >.<

NyassaV

Magdalina wrote: »

Is someone actually legit using Overload still? Aside from ganks - did you get ganked there? Because that's almost the only scenario where it can even be used anymore. You can dodge, block, reflect Overload, some of the times it simply misses just because(I don't mean "dodged", I mean it misses its target, even in PvE. I have no idea why, happens every now and then even with tab targeting), it gets you stuck in heavy attacks some more of the times, it takes FOREVER to hit the target and you're still complaining?

Before doing one of those "nerf this because I got killed by it" threads perhaps do some research into how the skill works and what its counters are. Also 13k damage lol...I've been hit by about that much by Warden birds which aren't even dodgeable(at least they will be next patch, thank the divines)...I've definitely been hit by as much and more with Dizzying Swing and stuff...

Overload is probably the buggiest ultimate in the game, it needs a lot of love and fixes, I really hate how they find it okay to nerf a skill multiple times but not actually FIX it >.<

If it missed it's target in PvE thats mostly a learn 2 play issue

Overload+vMA staff is a great way for sorcs to sustain magic and DPS if they dislike the heavy attack meta

Dr_Rektar

Lag need a nerf, got hit for 7k leaps and couldnt shield myslelf. Please nerf lags, such lags cant shieldstack!

Azurya

seanj87 wrote: »

From full health to dead in less than 2 seconds.

This should not be possible!

Ah now this
it is PvP, you live, you die, you live again
so it be

Dr_Rektar

Azurya wrote: »

seanj87 wrote: »

From full health to dead in less than 2 seconds.

This should not be possible!

Ah now this
it is PvP, you live, you die, you live again
so it be

Nono. You live you lag you die you lag again

IZZEFlameLash

Minalan wrote: »

IZZESparkling wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

So let’s get this straight

Power Overload used to increase damage by 15% and that was nerfed to 6%

Then they nerfed it where you can only store 500 ultimate for Overload instead of 1000


And folks still want to complain about it? No skill in the game has been nerfed as hard as Overload.


Mag Sorc is not really in a good place right now. It’s one of the weaker classes, all it really has is Bolt Escape now...Stam builds or more mobile, mag Nightblades are better casters, Templars are better healers, other mag classes are better damage dealers. Look how rough mag Sorcs have had it in Legends duels as of late...it’s pretty painful

We’re in an absolute terrible place right now competitively.

It’d be nice if the devs would fix it so that we’re not free AP Piñatas for every other class. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Excuse me, are you trying to compete with magicka Wardens and mDKs for AP pinatas spot?

This patch? Yes.

PTS isn’t done yet, who knows what they’ll do with both classes?

Master_Kas wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Overload needs a BUFF! Those are pitiful numbers compared to Leap or Incap.

Hardly.

My dual wielding dk's leap with spinner + sun + slimecraw with continious and infused spelldmg glyph proc is shortly above 27k

Meanwhile my overload sorcs (blobs wannabe spinner+slime+elegant) is shortly over 30k PER overload lightattack. Empowered

Both with apprentice mundus with 6 divine 1 impen.
Darkelf dk and altmer sorc.
The DK even has full undaunted where the sorc is undaunted 7.

Tough for some reason when I use magelight my leap tooltip doesn't go up. But leap you use once, overload you can store up to 500 and spam.

So no, you can get similar damage to leap/incap in ONE overload lightattack if not more. Not a good thing to compare it with

Derra wrote: »

Overload plays a very clear and audible soundcue when it´s fired at your character giving you enough time to innitiate countermeasures.
A simple dodgeroll on hearing it would have saved you. Block aswell.

Not if you don't run miats to save you from the crystal blast stun or even worse, runecage which cannot be dodged or blocked. Until you CC break you eat atleast one overload. Similar to the high damage snipe builds you seemed to dislike.

So instagibbing with overload/sorc is fine?

Let me get this straight.

Overload is ‘balanced’ because it does as much damage as every other ultimate in the game. ONLY when wearing a garbage set that buffs light attack damage? AND empower? That’s 40% stacked bonuses...

https://youtu.be/qHBQ0c5f-Zo

If anything, nerf queens elegance set. Leave our damn ultimate alone. *** potatoes are ruining this game with the crying. All day and night. Whining. About a class that’s already been nerfed into complete stupid to play anymore.

Delete your damn game already!

Edit:

I think you need to read my post again and see who/what I replied to. It wasn't to the OP claiming overload needs to be nerfed.

That person wrote that it does pitiful damage compared to leap / incap which simply isn't true.
While forgetting that you use leap / incap once and it's gone, meanwhile you can spam overloads FROM greater range with SIMILAR damage tooltip WITHOUT empower aswell.

I simply pointed out that it wasn't correct.

If you want I can take screenshots from both my sorc and dk on their tooltips with glasscannon gear without empower if that statisfies you?

Perhaps you should go ahead and delete your forum account instead?

It’s blockable, dodgable, and reflectable. When I can reflect your incap back at you and kill you, let’s talk. For the slightly higher damage (on the power morph only) you still don’t get a CC on it like take flight or incap. If you’re getting hit harder than 7-8K or so, you’re not wearing enough armor, impen, or you don’t have enough points in elemental defender and ironclad.

The projectile is also slow, and makes a very distinctive noise like snipe. And for the same cost, you’re only getting a couple of shots. If you save up 500 ult you get more, but then you’re comparing it to something like two consecutive lightning Destro ultimates for damage. Sorry guys, Destro ultimate wins, it can’t be blocked or dodged if you’re stuck in the mess.

I’m pretty sure overload also doesn’t get the ancient knowledge bonus from a Destro staff, where other ults will. Getting in and out of overload is clunky even if you cancel the animation, it’s not like you can smoothly swap weapons back and forth in a fight, (ie shield, heal, and come right back offensive).

That being said, I use it mostly for the third bar for buffs. I really only shoot it at mounted people, or snipe spammers on castle walls who aren’t paying attention.

Do I think it’s balanced? Yes. On Sorcs it is. Give it to a magblade? Probably not.

How dare you compete with us?! Sorcs are supposed to be 100k shield monster with 50k overload! Hurr

Pijng

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

seanj87 wrote: »

From full health to dead in less than 2 seconds.

This should not be possible!

Ah now this
it is PvP, you live, you die, you live again
so it be

Nono. You live you lag you die you lag again

Yesterday I died inside of sejanus when bombed some yellows (Sotha Sil). I opened map to respawn at drakelowe and...lagged. Just like totally. Solid freeze and even loading screen was static. Then I spawned with a full health INSIDE OF *** SEJANUS when I was killed lmao. No guards, no people. Then I went to Alessia, cuz it was under attack. Guess what? No people, but ua etc etc. I used some sap essence and have seen these red particles from sap flying to Drakelowe in the air lol. So probably I was in the separate instance and could move on the map, but at the same time my true position was at the Drakelowe shrine, eh

Feanor

Lord-Otto wrote: »

It's a gank build.
I've been hit by it and survived. I've been hit by NB bombs and survived. And I'm in light armor. OP needs some form of additional defense. Maybe more impen, more efficient CP allocation, a defensive set or buff, I dunno. I don't care.

However, I wouldn't be opposed to an Overload REWORK.
Get rid of third bar, make toggles slottables and buffs. Make Overload an instant burst ult, akin to Dawnbreaker or Incap. Boom. Sorc now has top tier ultis and is highly competitive again while removing cheesy nonsense.

Thank you @Lord-Otto. Like so many “ez mode OP Sorc skillz” Overload doesn’t need a nerf but complete overhaul. It’s the clunkiest ultimate in the game. I can’t count how often it simply doesn’t respond and the player is stuck in the overload bar. It’s not really great in PvE either since they reduced ultimate points to 500, although having 1000 was indeed too much in that case.