The Item Set Cure for Snares

FoulSnowpaw

For those who have issues with snares:



If you are Warden class you get an extra 15% snare effectiveness reduction at total 65%. Practically immune to all snares given snares are being nerfed to the ground.

OR



Can easily avoid all snares without dying.

So these are suggestions for people who do not know. Because in this day, people are salty with snares.
Can choose to survive or choose to kill in pvp. Can't have too much cake.

FloppyTouch

Yes but they want to keep their very high burst and not have to deal with snares and just to dodge roll for 100% immunity to all damage. Not build around it that’s just silly.

FoulSnowpaw

Right... and since I can't edit the initial post:

Rip counter play ZOS.
So much for "balancing" pvp by listening to a small group of toxic casuals instead of veteran players.
With the progress so far on the new update, gap closers are dead for one, and now snares are being nerfed and yet these sets still persist. Nerf these sets ZOS if you are proceeding to nerfing snares.

(Meanwhile Sorcerers can still 2 hit kill with crystal shards. Apparently ranged abilities are not gap closers)
(PVP is not even about skill anymore, just luck with procs and Zerg and Earthgore)

Goshua

maybe, pretty turd set bonuses

Firstmep

Ive tried that set a couple of times, if you are in heavy armor and don't want to use Fm, its actually not half bad. The extra regen bonus on the 5 piece saves it from being crappy, the crit bonus is actually nice in heavy.
Anyhow i went back to medium with bp, for better raw stats.
I could see this used on a werewolf build though.

Also, i have seen some people defending snares lately, even as someone who plays a templar id rather keep everyone mobile, even though snares make it very easy to land your jabs.
The problem with the current state if snares, is that they are attached to many otherwise excellent abilities, templars and dks have them un their passives too.

Feanor

FoulSnowpaw wrote: »

Right... and since I can't edit the initial post:

Rip counter play ZOS.
So much for "balancing" pvp by listening to a small group of toxic casuals instead of veteran players.
With the progress so far on the new update, gap closers are dead for one, and now snares are being nerfed and yet these sets still persist. Nerf these sets ZOS if you are proceeding to nerfing snares.

(Meanwhile Sorcerers can still 2 hit kill with crystal shards. Apparently ranged abilities are not gap closers)
(PVP is not even about skill anymore, just luck with procs and Zerg and Earthgore)

Unfortunately you just don't understand the issue. First of all, snares per se aren't a problem. The issue rather is that there are too many skills that have a snare added, most notably gap closers. Adding a snare on top of a high damage ability is a bad idea because it removes a layer of counter play. Nobody has a thing against snares if they are attached to utility skills - a skill that snares only then becomes a tactical choice, just as much as pure hard CC skills are now. Gap closers offer the best of both worlds in one skill - high damage and a snare you can't even purge. That's why they get adjusted, and correctly so.

As for your sets, sure, these counter snares. There other bonuses are very lacking. The goal in Cyrodiil isn't to "not die" though. Else everyone could simply play a 70k HP Blazeplar and only die when it's 1v20. We can then stand around in front of Sejanus and hold a emote contest to determine the winner instead of actual fighting.

It's very ironic you complain about Cyrodiil being about procs, zerging and Earthgore. If everyone becomes more survivable - as you suggest with these sets - then the only solution for killing anybody is to zerg. I enjoyed your Sorc complaint though. If you're two shot by a Sorc these days you're a bad player, nothing else. I think you are just a stam player who is unhappy crit rush gets toned down in damage.

Septimus_Magna

The best snare removal in game is Forward Momentum from the Two-Handed skill line. Its cheap to cast, lasts 8 seconds, gives major brutality and a small HoT. Only downside is that you need to run a 2H weapon and cannot have Rally for the burst heal.

If you're tired of getting snared just try this skill, especially on a Warden because you have strong stamina based heals.

Qbiken

I like to play around with Barkskin and Ranger´s Gait on werewolf, who lacks the ability to handle snares (unless you´ve a purge-bot with you). Not the best set in the game, but not the worst either

IlCanis_LupuslI

Its not half bad on ww i prefer Salvation thou for better substain... Snares are only bad when getting zerged in that case im screwed anyway as a ww. In human form, immovability +speed pot and forward and after a while cloak are gor for dipping out

DDuke

Can someone confirm how that set works?

I.e. you get snared by Rending Slashes (50%), does that set completely negate it, or does it reduce the snare to 25%?

Qbiken

DDuke wrote: »

Can someone confirm how that set works?

I.e. you get snared by Rending Slashes (50%), does that set completely negate it, or does it reduce the snare to 25%?

It becomes 25% (at least it was last time I used/tested it)

ToRelax

You do realize these sets, like ability based counters to snares, are tied to stamina skill lines, right? Which means a very high opportunity cost to use them on a magicka build.

Lord-Otto

Feanor wrote: »

FoulSnowpaw wrote: »

Right... and since I can't edit the initial post:

Rip counter play ZOS.
So much for "balancing" pvp by listening to a small group of toxic casuals instead of veteran players.
With the progress so far on the new update, gap closers are dead for one, and now snares are being nerfed and yet these sets still persist. Nerf these sets ZOS if you are proceeding to nerfing snares.

(Meanwhile Sorcerers can still 2 hit kill with crystal shards. Apparently ranged abilities are not gap closers)
(PVP is not even about skill anymore, just luck with procs and Zerg and Earthgore)

Unfortunately you just don't understand the issue. First of all, snares per se aren't a problem. The issue rather is that there are too many skills that have a snare added, most notably gap closers. Adding a snare on top of a high damage ability is a bad idea because it removes a layer of counter play. Nobody has a thing against snares if they are attached to utility skills - a skill that snares only then becomes a tactical choice, just as much as pure hard CC skills are now. Gap closers offer the best of both worlds in one skill - high damage and a snare you can't even purge. That's why they get adjusted, and correctly so.

As for your sets, sure, these counter snares. There other bonuses are very lacking. The goal in Cyrodiil isn't to "not die" though. Else everyone could simply play a 70k HP Blazeplar and only die when it's 1v20. We can then stand around in front of Sejanus and hold a emote contest to determine the winner instead of actual fighting.

It's very ironic you complain about Cyrodiil being about procs, zerging and Earthgore. If everyone becomes more survivable - as you suggest with these sets - then the only solution for killing anybody is to zerg. I enjoyed your Sorc complaint though. If you're two shot by a Sorc these days you're a bad player, nothing else. I think you are just a stam player who is unhappy crit rush gets toned down in damage.

Someone get. this man. a medal!

Qbiken

ToRelax wrote: »

You do realize these sets, like ability based counters to snares, are tied to stamina skill lines, right? Which means a very high opportunity cost to use them on a magicka build.

You always have Curse Eater:

(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Reduces the duration of all negative effects applied to you by 20%.

Not sure if snares are considered "negative effects" tho.....

DDuke

Qbiken wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You do realize these sets, like ability based counters to snares, are tied to stamina skill lines, right? Which means a very high opportunity cost to use them on a magicka build.

You always have Curse Eater:

(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Reduces the duration of all negative effects applied to you by 20%.

Not sure if snares are considered "negative effects" tho.....

I'm quite sure they are.


I wonder if those percentage modifiers calculate additively. If so, then you could have what'd be very close to "snare immunity" as Warden (+50% Barkskin+20% Curse-Eater+15% Icy Aura passive=85%).

Nestor

FoulSnowpaw wrote: »

Right... and since I can't edit the initial post:

Yes you can, just look for the gear icon near the title of the thread. That is how you edit the OP and even the Title

exeeter702

Goshua wrote: »

maybe, pretty turd set bonuses

Techincally, based solely on the amount of rage and vitriol produced on these forums alone regarding the frustration of snares in pvp, those set bonuses would not be turd.

Snares are a major hinderence (pun entriely intended) in pvp so much so that you would think sets that meaningfuly reduce their effectiveness would be attractive in some way. Players want to have their cake and eat it. They want to hang on to there sustain or damage and have snares and immobilizations adjusted at the core instead of make use of the options that zos has provided.

ToRelax

Qbiken wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You do realize these sets, like ability based counters to snares, are tied to stamina skill lines, right? Which means a very high opportunity cost to use them on a magicka build.

You always have Curse Eater:

(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Reduces the duration of all negative effects applied to you by 20%.

Not sure if snares are considered "negative effects" tho.....

I actually considered putting it into my original post, just to show how useless the magicka alternatives are.

Goshua

exeeter702 wrote: »

Goshua wrote: »

maybe, pretty turd set bonuses

Techincally, based solely on the amount of rage and vitriol produced on these forums alone regarding the frustration of snares in pvp, those set bonuses would not be turd.

Snares are a major hinderence (pun entriely intended) in pvp so much so that you would think sets that meaningfuly reduce their effectiveness would be attractive in some way. Players want to have their cake and eat it. They want to hang on to there sustain or damage and have snares and immobilizations adjusted at the core instead of make use of the options that zos has provided.

Not turd if you want to do nothing but avoid snares i suppose. Sounds like fun

MasterSpatula

Giving up utility to avoid a miserable experience that is wildly overused in this game is not a good choice.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

awesome for stamblades...let the sweet tears of magdk/magsorcs/magplars flow!
id say wardens as well but they are already chocking without their 100% undodgeable birds >:3