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DoctorESO

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Korah_Eaglecry

Both parties are being ridiculous. They knew when they set out to become infected, again they went out of their way to be infected, that they would have the consequences of being changed physically in exchange for the stat bonus. Now they think they are entitled to that stat bonus without the physical consequence of the bonus. And think ZOS should accommodate their absurd opinion.

Dont want to look like a vampire? Dont be a vampire.

Dont want to look like a werewolf? Dont be a werewolf.

Really that simple.

Aliyavana

that makes no sense, vampires can hide their vampirism lorewise because illusion magic, werewolves cannot cast illusion magic in beast form

Morgul667

I fail to understand the logic of all the vampire haters

In lore point of view, it all makes sense to hide vampirism stage

With outfit you can now, hide an heavy armor under a light armor style. Heck this makes even less sense

we are supposed to have fun and if it makes people happy, why not let people hide vampirism stage ?

No harm for the lore, no harm for the players, so why not ?

Korah_Eaglecry

Morgul667 wrote: »

I fail to understand the logic of all the vampire haters

In lore point of view, it all makes sense to hide vampirism stage

With outfit you can now, hide an heavy armor under a light armor style. Heck this makes even less sense

we are supposed to have fun and if it makes people happy, why not let people hide vampirism stage ?

No harm for the lore, no harm for the players, so why not ?

Stage 1 is pretty close to being a non-vampire appearance wise. Theres your illusion magic. What these players want is Stage 4 Vampirism and the ability to hide it.

Morgul667

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I fail to understand the logic of all the vampire haters

In lore point of view, it all makes sense to hide vampirism stage

With outfit you can now, hide an heavy armor under a light armor style. Heck this makes even less sense

we are supposed to have fun and if it makes people happy, why not let people hide vampirism stage ?

No harm for the lore, no harm for the players, so why not ?

Stage 1 is pretty close to being a non-vampire appearance wise. Theres your illusion magic. What these players want is Stage 4 Vampirism and the ability to hide it.

It is fine in my book. Certainly OK for Verandis and easier than hiding a heavy armor under a rag. Make it so they have to spend skill points or something.

For werewolves, where is the cool, if they look like human when turned ?

Korah_Eaglecry

Morgul667 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I fail to understand the logic of all the vampire haters

In lore point of view, it all makes sense to hide vampirism stage

With outfit you can now, hide an heavy armor under a light armor style. Heck this makes even less sense

we are supposed to have fun and if it makes people happy, why not let people hide vampirism stage ?

No harm for the lore, no harm for the players, so why not ?

Stage 1 is pretty close to being a non-vampire appearance wise. Theres your illusion magic. What these players want is Stage 4 Vampirism and the ability to hide it.

It is fine in my book. Certainly OK for Verandis and easier than hiding a heavy armor under a rag. Make it so they have to spend skill points or something.

For werewolves, where is the cool, if they look like human when turned ?

Why not just get rid of werewolf and vampire and give everyone the bonuses?


Yup thats what I want. Get rid of it all. I want my bonuses now ZOS!?!

zaria

Morgul667 wrote: »

I fail to understand the logic of all the vampire haters

In lore point of view, it all makes sense to hide vampirism stage

With outfit you can now, hide an heavy armor under a light armor style. Heck this makes even less sense

we are supposed to have fun and if it makes people happy, why not let people hide vampirism stage ?

No harm for the lore, no harm for the players, so why not ?

Totally ok with it, however it should be an balance, currently the only downside of vampire is the look, if you don't care about look or wear armor who hide skin or white Khajiit this is no downside.
now an +50 to 100% fire damage would balance things a bit. Sun damage would be too much and hard to balance, some dungeons and trials is outside by look,

Radiance

Don't use your Werewolf Transformation and nobody will know you're a WW!!!
Vampires can already use Disguises to mask their Stages!!! You're petitioning for something that already exists...
I have a Vampire and a Werewolf... I also have others who are neither... Try it. If you don't want to look like one don't be one! SMFH
LOL this MUST be a troll post.

Morgul667

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I fail to understand the logic of all the vampire haters

In lore point of view, it all makes sense to hide vampirism stage

With outfit you can now, hide an heavy armor under a light armor style. Heck this makes even less sense

we are supposed to have fun and if it makes people happy, why not let people hide vampirism stage ?

No harm for the lore, no harm for the players, so why not ?

Stage 1 is pretty close to being a non-vampire appearance wise. Theres your illusion magic. What these players want is Stage 4 Vampirism and the ability to hide it.

It is fine in my book. Certainly OK for Verandis and easier than hiding a heavy armor under a rag. Make it so they have to spend skill points or something.

For werewolves, where is the cool, if they look like human when turned ?

Why not just get rid of werewolf and vampire and give everyone the bonuses?


Yup thats what I want. Get rid of it all. I want my bonuses now ZOS!?!

Because Werewolves transformation are cool

Chrlynsch

I will tell you that if werewolves could hide their appearance in PVP, their survivability would increase ten fold. Nothing says shoot me with lethal arrows like a werewolf in open field.

ProfessorKittyhawk

The appearance doesn't bother me. It's the fading of the tattoos that bugs the crap out of me.

Rohamad_Ali

Cool . Hide werewolf and vamp .

Jake1576

See I'm the opposite I want it to show we are vampires and werewolves heck I just wished that werewolf had a infinite timer I would stay transformed all the time I wish there was a vampire Lord transformation also so I could stay in it all the time also it would be really cool in my opinion

DoctorESO

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ArchMikem

aliyavana wrote: »

that makes no sense, vampires can hide their vampirism lorewise because illusion magic, werewolves cannot cast illusion magic in beast form

And the Stamina Vampires? They just so happen to also have mastered Illusion Spells in their free time?

LordSemaj

No one cares what werewolves want!!!

ZOS has made that abundantly clear!

DoctorESO

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kyle.wilson

DoctorESO wrote: »

I heard some other people complaining in zone chat today about how unfair it would be if vampires were able to completely hide their vampiric appearance. To make it fair, the werewolf players want to be able to hide their werewolf appearance while in werewolf form. Ridiculous, or is it just me who thinks this?

Vampires can already hide the appearance if they wear a costume or skin. It would be ridiculous for a WW to do the same.

Sharee

I simply do not understand the people who speak against vampires being able to hide the ugly appearance.

How does this even affect you? That you won't be able to tell someone is a vampire? Well, you already can't!

I mean, is this a vampire or not?



The only reason i can think of is spite, and if that's the case, shame on you.

Knootewoot

I rather have them add a stage 5, where you get fangs and more blood drained eyes. I find stage 4 to pretty for a true vampire.

And yeah, lore wise the could look like humans with illusion spells. But guess what, there is no illusion spell tree in this Elderscrolls game. So you want to be a vampire, you look like one.

I am also a Vampire, and I wish they would give some new cool spells.

LadyAstrum

A werewolf who wants to hide is no werewolf! May Hircine strike down all pretenders!

TheShadowScout

DoctorESO wrote: »

Ridiculous, or is it just me who thinks this?

Yup, ridiculous indeed!
Since werewolves can already hide their status as long as they don't transform, yes?

What I -would- love to see is werewolves getting some indication of their status even in non-furred-out-form. Perhaps digging into some of the tales... yellow eyes, unibrow, increased body hair...

And some lunar influences as well! I mean... come on, legends and all? So maybe reduced transformation times during the games new moon nights but increased ones during the full moon... and possibly a mandatory "hunt and devour worthy prey while in furry form" quest every full moon (possibly with the option to return to hircines hunting grounds for it if you like longer furry times to play with) that if unfulfilled will give a "hasn't fed" debuff for the coming game-month...

DoctorESO wrote: »

I heard some other people complaining in zone chat today about how unfair it would be if vampires were able to completely hide their vampiric appearance.

...yeah, just like count Ravenwatch...
The option for vampires to masquerade as mortals is lore-conforming, and a ages old cliché for vampire stories. So it would fit very well into ESO - but at a price. A toggleable skill for example would be -perfect- for this... giving up a skill slot to reduce your vampire appearance by one stage when activated, so at stage 1 you would look completely mortal... it would make a nice roleplay tool, but the drawback would soothe the worries of people about this...

Of course, once they get this, they also need to get cause to use it. Meaning, having the justice guards react to any undisguised vampire with garlic and sharpened stakes! And to any transformed werewolf as well with silver blades and bolts! Aka, kill them on sight.

Heck, I would even have the guards do that for monster polymorphs... it would only be logical that they might overreact even to mages using such illusions for fun...

Streega

Actually, as an "owner" of a small werewolf pack (3 characters), I would like to have some werewolf features while I'm not in the ww form - maybe bushy eyebrows, hairy ears, small sideburns etc... But also a 10% bonus to the stamina and 5% vulnerability to poison. I think it would make the werewolves much more interesting, and more fair in comparison to vamps.

AnviOfVai

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Both parties are being ridiculous. They knew when they set out to become infected, again they went out of their way to be infected, that they would have the consequences of being changed physically in exchange for the stat bonus. Now they think they are entitled to that stat bonus without the physical consequence of the bonus. And think ZOS should accommodate their absurd opinion.

Dont want to look like a vampire? Dont be a vampire.

Dont want to look like a werewolf? Dont be a werewolf.

Really that simple.

Qbiken

I can understand hiding vampire-ism and it would make sense lorewise (by using illusion magick) but hiding werewolf appearance while in WW-form?? Can´t really get behind that.

And why the rage about people want to hide vampire skin? It´s pure cosmetic....

Tommy_The_Gun

Well... what I would really want is not to hide WW form. It would be cool if we had some sort of collectibles "costumes" that will alter the look of default WW form. So you could look like other lycanthropes from TES lore:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lycanthropy

Aside from Werewolfs we have:
- Werebats
- Werebears (those were in TES V: Skyrim)
- Wereboars
- Werevultures
- Werelions
- Werecrocodiles
and even Weresharks...

Skills of course would remain the same - it would be only the different "skin" / visual model.

Sevalaricgirl

I love my werewolf appearance and my vamp appearance. Look how cool she looks at stage 4. People know what they are getting into and no, vamps should have to create bloody mara recipes to get rid of the stages if they want to RP. Otherwise, neither should complain.

LordSemaj

Okay, okay, let's compromise. Vamps get their skin, but they also get a stage 5 vampirism where they have to look like this:

Shawn_PT

LordSemaj wrote: »

Okay, okay, let's compromise. Vamps get their skin, but they also get a stage 5 vampirism where they have to look like this:

I could definitely live with that. RP level over 9000!!