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Very Frustrated with Transmutation Crystals ZOS (PvE vs. PvP)

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JJMaxx1980
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I tried...

I really did. I've been playing for a long time. I enjoy PvE gameplay. I've never liked PvP in all my years of MMO's. I spent weeks running Vaults of Madness for my Worm Cult Lightning Staff. I spent even more time grinding SPC. That's okay, I enjoyed it most of the time. Then when I heard ZOS was releasing transmutation crystals, I was overjoyed. I could finally change the trait on that item it took me weeks to grind. This was gonna be great.

It isn't great.

It's not even fair.

Folks who PvP are collecting these crystals hand over fist, sitting at the cap with nothing to do with them. Getting 25 or 50 at a clip. Even a 5 min Battleground gets you a gold geode if you win.

But when players such as myself slog through Falkreath Hold with a bunch of randoms for two hours, we get ONE. If we're lucky, we turn in our Undaunted Quest and get... one.

I just don't understand. You need fifty to change one item and it's so hard to get that many if you PvE.

So I gave in. I changed my character and tried following guides to do some PvP to get crystals. The end result was as expected. I hate it. I've never liked it but I needed these crystals so I sold my soul for a bowl of stew.

Please, ZOS, you seem like really cool people. If you're reading this, could you increase the drop rate for us dungeon-delvers? I know you're busy but it's the first time I felt really bad about a new feature.

I know there will be those people who will say, 'Just go into Cyro and follow a group.' Why? Why should I do something I hate to get something I want instead of ZOS catering to both sides of its playerbase. I'm sure I'm not the only one who despises PvP.

Anyway, thanks to anyone who listens. I know nothing will probably happen but you never know.

~ J. J.
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  • JJMaxx1980
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    Back to the OP. That fifty at a clip happens once a month for reaching a certain tier in PvP.

    I was told the 7-Day campaigns give the same thing? Is that not true?

    I did a Battleground for the first time today. I had no idea what I was doing and my team won anyways. I received mail and got a gold geode for 5-25 crystals. I had never got a gold one of those before, even for difficult random vet dungeon runs.

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    JJMaxx1980 wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    Back to the OP. That fifty at a clip happens once a month for reaching a certain tier in PvP.

    I was told the 7-Day campaigns give the same thing? Is that not true?

    I did a Battleground for the first time today. I had no idea what I was doing and my team won anyways. I received mail and got a gold geode for 5-25 crystals. I had never got a gold one of those before, even for difficult random vet dungeon runs.

    I think the seven day campaign is ten but can't swear to that.

    I haven't done many battlegrounds since the change but have been in a few where my team won. I don't remember getting a lot of crystals so either you had good luck or I had bad luck. I kind of suspect they have been dinking with the numbers since this started. I know some content that provided them all the sudden the next day didn't and there was never an announcement (that I saw and I looked) about the change.
    I was actually expecting it to be a lot worse than it is even if I just did PvE.
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  • Unfadingsilence
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    VaranisArano wrote: »
    The PVP drop rate is changing in Update 17 because the ability to get a geode by opening Rewards of the Worthy on characters that didn't earn them was an exploit.

    PTS Patch Notes: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388819/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-0/p1

    Transmutation
    Rewards for the Worthy mails now only grant a guaranteed Transmutation Geode once per day per account.
    Previously, they would give a guaranteed Transmutation Geode once per day per character.
    The chance to get Transmutation Geodes from additional mails is unchanged.

    Now, PVP players will be able to earn a guaranteed 4-25 stones per day that they earned Rewards of the Worthy, with a chance to gain extra from more Rewards.


    Now, I agree that it would be nice for PVE players to get more geodes from their content, but the current dominance of the PVP method is an unintended consequence of how the mail system handled Rewards of the Worthy which will be changing.

    What about the end of campaign reward will I still get 100 per toon?
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  • Contraptions
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    With the coming PVP ROTW crystal fix it might be faster to run normal trials for crystals. Each weekly coffer gives 5 and even with no DLCs it's 15 per character per week. Not too difficult to reach 50 after a few days of running on diff characters.
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  • Runefang
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    Rotw was being exploited so a fix was always coming. Unfortunately it seems zos can't track it per character so now its per account. The nerf isn't due to pve'ers whinging so stop being ridiculous.

    I imagine its really only slow to farm crystals if you do nothing but normal pledges/random. Do trials and vet non-dlc pledges on a few toons and you're at 50 in a few days.
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  • RavenSworn
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    To the OP, I personally feel that this system was NOT implemented as a primary way to get the traits that you want with your gear. Grinding it out on dungeon runs is still the best way to get the traits you want for it. Its just another option for the players.

    They have to balance it out in terms of the amount of crystals gained but yes, i do agree with you that the drop rate for the PvE side of the game is abysmal to say the least.
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    SydneyGrey wrote: »
    They have to raise the rate at which you can get them in PvE. The O.P. is right: the difference is ridiculous and unfair.
    I'm not saying nerf the rate in PvP; I'm just suggesting raising the number you can get in PvE.

    Yes this^ plz un-nerf and give pve plenty of crystals. :)
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  • Hexquisite
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    It is unbalanced. I retraited 2 sets for pvp in 2 days this week just because I wanted to try something new, weapons too. All my crystals come from pvp excpet maybe the 5 I got trying to get Earthgore. Even though I retrait a lot I am often at max crystals and have to save ROTW on bank mules.

    PVE should get 10 per pledge or something like that. (changed to 10, as it is pointed out they get 5 for Vet, but I swear I only got 1 out of a purple Geode after doing Earthgore Pledge on Vet and I thought what a rip off!)

    Edited by Hexquisite on January 11, 2018 9:12PM
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    You PVP players aren't even comprehending that even with the new changes, you will still earn VASTLY more stones than people that passionately hate PVP. This is because of the end-of-campaign rewards that hand you 50 at a time WITHOUT FAIL, PER CHARACTER that earned even one rewards of the worthy mail during the campaign.

    How is this even remotely balanced? PVE players literally can only earn a maximum of 10 at a time, and that's if we basically win the Geode Lottery, as I have personally almost never seen a number higher than 5 in my geodes for doing Vet HM pledges. The vast majority of the time it will be exactly 5 for each pledge, meaning if you can clear all 3 pledges (including the DLC pledges on Vet HM, in other words, NO) on hard mode vet, you will pretty much always get no more than 15 stones per day. That takes HOURS, compared to PVPing long enough to get 20k AP for a reward mail, securing the 50 stones at the end of the month PLUS whatever stones you get in that reward mail, DAILY, PER CHARACTER.
    You PVPers need to stop complaining, you're still making stones hand-over-fist while us PVE players earn them at a snail's pace.

    You have to wait 30 days to get that big 50

    If you do the 3 daily’s plus the normals Random’s on all characters and if you have 8 character you can get 32 a day in pve

    Ur lazy that is all

    Do you know how long it takes to do 3 vet hardmode pledges? Have you even attempted it? I absolutely hate PVP and can still go into Vivec and earn enough for that reward mail in less than 2 hours, securing me up to 50 stones right then and there, and then another 50 at the end of the month. You're talking about at least 4 hours (I'm being very generous here if you try to PuG it) for a maximum of 30 stones, but realistically no more than 20. Screw you if you think that's anywhere close to an acceptable comparison.

    You don’t have to do hard mode vet trials to get them you can do normals that take 10-20mins and get more

    My point was th op wants to change a trait on an item

    If they farmed normals they could get it in 2 days if they did pvp they would have to wait 30 days
    Edited by FloppyTouch on January 11, 2018 8:36AM
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