moved

Kiralyn2000

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

Where's the "I'm 'ok' with them now" option? I don't care at all about silly mounts, so I've never bought one. Only thing I would have bought them for was for discontinued costumes (at the lower rarities), but the dungeon event we just had took care of that.

edit: disclaimer - I've been playing games with some sort of "lockbox" for 5+ years. They're nothing new, shocking, or strange. Depending on the game & how they're designed, I've even opened some before.

disintegr8

Disagree with the restrictive options, so not voting. Personally I dislike the Crown Crates and for most people that is not a problem, we have control over what we choose to do and not do. I choose not to buy them but I do subscribe to ES0+, therefore am not happy to accept that no crown crates equals no game.

I dislike the way Pacrooti (whatever his name is) 'deals' the card contents of the crates and let's you select the order in which the cards are turned over. This can lead someone, with a tendency to gambling problems, think that what order they reveal the cards has an influence in what rewards they get.

If crown crates stay, my preference would be for crown crate contents to simply be mailed to you upon purchase, like campaign loyalty rewards or daily random dungeon rewards. The end result is you get a random set of rewards but the gambling style presentation is removed, making them less appealing to those excited by gambling.

Plenty of people find things in the crown store to buy, without touching crown crates, and there would still be a large number of subscribers out there. If the games survival were to rely purely on crown crates, I'm not sure I'd want to keep playing.

lzzy

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Where's the "I'm 'ok' with them now" option? I don't care at all about silly mounts, so I've never bought one. Only thing I would have bought them for was for discontinued costumes (at the lower rarities), but the dungeon event we just had took care of that.

This is a question asking about a specific scenario though, not if the current crown crate situation is fine.

I personally think crown crates right now aren't the worst, but they would be awful in the situation OP is asking about where they become absolutely key to ESO's survival.

Mojmir

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

If crown crates are needed, you need to shut down lol

Nyghthowler

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

If the game gets to be in such a sad state that the only way ZoS can keep it going is with the Gamble Boxes, then I say let it die with a shred of dignity.

Ermiq

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Magdalina wrote: »

Lol no. If a game HAS to rely on lootboxes gambling in order to stay afloat because its actual content doesn't entice the players anymore then the game has already failed.

^^ This ^^

Fischblut

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

If a game HAS to rely on lootboxes gambling in order to stay afloat because its actual content doesn't entice the players anymore then the game has already failed.

Exactly what I wanted to say. It's scary actually cause it feels like game is slowly heading this way

Dracofyre

vote either.

i only set as "limits" per month, get 4 a crate, if on sale real cheap, then i get that bonus pack, if i get nothing, move on until next month or skip and buy when in mood.
never get so obsessive to the point of being broke, since it was player's fault.
it was only meant as entertainment.

if you control what you spend, devs will try adjust for better drop rates to make players happy. it is only a game and for fun, if devs tweaked the odds so low, players get frustrated, they have choice, quit playing and move on to other games or suspend on buying.
want to know why? what if next month and ZOS decided to closed ESO and we wasted all that money invested, it not worth blowing on crates and housings.
i rather get free crates whenever they runs.

It is only just Pixels. all these digitals will go away. "POOF!" gone!

Elsonso

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

There are other ways they can monetize the game. If Crown Crates were necessary, implying that nothing else is enough, then the game is already past the point of saving. Keeping it on life support does nothing but prevent another, possibly better, game from being created by the people that made this one.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

lzzy wrote: »

The only way it'd get to this point would be if whales took up a large percentage of players.

Paying users are usually a very very small percentage of the population. The point is not getting someone to buy over and over, but to get people to do the first purchase. They will make more. Data confirms all of this.

Mgghool

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

I could not care less for crates. I do not feel any urge to buy them, but I do not pass any judgement on those who buy them.

Saturn

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

I seriously don't believe that they would ever be in a situation where they fully rely on the Crown Crates. I think that the gambling system is definitely helping them milk the whales for all that they are worth, but they have a lot of sources of revenue in this game, and I think its addition to ESO probably just makes them able to buy all their employees gold-rimmed jet-skies and fund ads (like they had a Superbowl ad for Morrowind, which knowing how much those ad spots are worth, says that they are probably not strapped for cash). It definitely doesn't seem to be revenue going back into the game, since they are still going ahead with the Chapter system, further siphoning players for money, even those who are ESO+ subscribers.

If it ever came to a point where they had to rely fully on their lootbox system then I'd be happy for them to shut the game down, since they would likely have lost touch with their audience at that point for that to be the case. I honestly think that it's a really shady thing to put into a game, and I'm appalled that neither the ESRB or PEGI has taken any moves towards age-restricting games with such "features" in place (which would discourage the practice), as they are exploitive and prey on completionists and those who have a gambling addictions. I have no problem with actually being able to pick and choose what you want to buy from a store, as long as it stays cosmetic.

KochDerDamonen

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Do the crown crates fund worthwhile new content, or just more crown crates?

monktoasty

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

I've seen games get reduced to only a few whales. A pirate game..can't recall the name. Awesome fun but when crates introduced..slowly everything was moved onto those crates and players vanished except for a handful of those who couldn't see their big spent money be useless

ThePrinceOfBargains

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

People might call it spiteful or illogical, but if the game was really doing so poorly that it needed to exploit customers the way they do now with these crates, then they’re really just delaying the inevitable. Let it go and focus on new projects. No sense in clinging to the death bed.

agegarton

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

I have a lot of fun with Crown Crates and the associated content. I really don’t understand why the subject gets so much air time: no-one is holding a gun to your head. You don’t have to buy them.

nnargun

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

Odds should be advertised imo.

But then control yourselves, jeez.

TheShadowScout

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

I am subscriber, AND also pay extra for each DLC I enjoy.
Just because I love ESO, and I tend to put my money where my mouth is.
And to offer them support and encouragement, showing them what I find good enough to pay for.

I hate crown crates because of the gambling aspect. I still buy some those times when I really want something from them (mostly its hats... I care not for the super-special mounts and most other stuff in there), though I usually just rack up the gams from the stuff I don't need and then buy it with those. And I wish they would sell crown gem packs so I could do that directrly and not have to gamble at all.

But in the end, I will always pick ESO until it gets so bad I can no longer stomach it. Crown crates merely annoy me, but I can stoimach those. Better then no ESO at all. Now, if they went all out Pay-to-Win... that might be a different story...

Balamoor

Flimsy excuse poll to dog whistle to the Crown Crate hate machine; never in my life have I seen such whining over strictly cosmetic items.

Akrasjel

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Let it burn

Radinyn

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

Crown Crates were very good idea, they help the devs keep the game running.

JamilaRaj

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Scam crates have to die. So do microtransactions. If videogambling companies can not make games without them, then they have to die too.

logarifmik

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

Subscription, please?

KanedaSyndrome

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

I'm generally ok with crown crates, I've been buying a few myself. What I'm not ok with is the RNG only item which can't be bought with Crown Gems. If the RNG only stuff is here to stay, then I'm not ok with crown crates.

ThePrinceOfBargains

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

agegarton wrote: »

I have a lot of fun with Crown Crates and the associated content. I really don’t understand why the subject gets so much air time: no-one is holding a gun to your head. You don’t have to buy them.

Obviously because people want the stuff that’s in them, but don’t want to participate in this crappy, exploitative business model. What is so difficult about that concept? I don’t get why that’s confusing to you and people that continue to defend this BS.

DieAlteHexe

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

I have a lot of fun with Crown Crates and the associated content. I really don’t understand why the subject gets so much air time: no-one is holding a gun to your head. You don’t have to buy them.

Obviously because people want the stuff that’s in them, but don’t want to participate in this crappy, exploitative business model. What is so difficult about that concept? I don’t get why that’s confusing to you and people that continue to defend this BS.

It's not difficult to understand that some people don't want to take the risk. Others do.

Maybe having ALL the contents of the crates available "eventually" for direct sale might help?

NewBlacksmurf

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

For the record....and to clarify

No one has ever purchased crown crates, they purchase crowns.

They spend crowns on X, Y or Z

ThePrinceOfBargains

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

I have a lot of fun with Crown Crates and the associated content. I really don’t understand why the subject gets so much air time: no-one is holding a gun to your head. You don’t have to buy them.

Obviously because people want the stuff that’s in them, but don’t want to participate in this crappy, exploitative business model. What is so difficult about that concept? I don’t get why that’s confusing to you and people that continue to defend this BS.

It's not difficult to understand that some people don't want to take the risk. Others do.

Maybe having ALL the contents of the crates available "eventually" for direct sale might help?

“Others do” is a huge stretch of logic. They do it because the item in question is worth enough to them to blow half their pay checks, which is often justified by the old “at least I’m supporting the game” line, or my favorite, “my job pays well.” There is not a single sane individual that would tell you they want to risk their money like that unless they’re gambling addicts.

To your second point, that would certainly help, but then you’d have people that complained about how much money they had to spend to get a certain item. ZOS would probably try to charge 20,000+ crowns for the “Radiant” mounts, which is outrageous. I can’t see them reselling these.

DieAlteHexe

Yes [ESO stays up and running]

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

I have a lot of fun with Crown Crates and the associated content. I really don’t understand why the subject gets so much air time: no-one is holding a gun to your head. You don’t have to buy them.

Obviously because people want the stuff that’s in them, but don’t want to participate in this crappy, exploitative business model. What is so difficult about that concept? I don’t get why that’s confusing to you and people that continue to defend this BS.

It's not difficult to understand that some people don't want to take the risk. Others do.

Maybe having ALL the contents of the crates available "eventually" for direct sale might help?

“Others do” is a huge stretch of logic. They do it because the item in question is worth enough to them to blow half their pay checks, which is often justified by the old “at least I’m supporting the game” line, or my favorite, “my job pays well.” There is not a single sane individual that would tell you they want to risk their money like that unless they’re gambling addicts.

To your second point, that would certainly help, but then you’d have people that complained about how much money they had to spend to get a certain item. ZOS would probably try to charge 20,000+ crowns for the “Radiant” mounts, which is outrageous. I can’t see them reselling these.

How many do you suppose do this? How many blow their checks on booze or partying or something else not terribly productive or even potentially destructive. How many gamble in other ways where they get absolutely NOTHING for their money? These numbers would be edifying and I am genuinely curious given how much fuss there is and how often they (the addicted) are trotted out as harbingers of how horrible "crates" are. I could be way off track in the numbers and would love to know the actualities.

Trying to equate someone buying crates with automatically being a gambling addict is ridiculous. Yes, there ARE some people for whom gambling is an unfortunate addiction, there's no doubt there but my buying some crates does not render me a "gambling addict". Or are you referring only to the ones who spend literally hundreds if not thousands and then we're back to how many do that?

Oddly, I never gamble in RL but then again, I don't consider crates to be akin to casinos or the like. At least with crates you end up with something.

If ZOS believed that someone would pay 20k for "radiant" mounts (I don't get it, I think they're rather, well, OTT but hey to each their own) I'm pretty sure they would put them on offer. I've got mounts from my crate purchases that I never use and would love to give 'em to someone who would like them. Pssst, ZOS?

I prefer a straight up direct sale approach myself but on occasion I like to have a go and see what I end up with which I can always use. Another possibility is go ahead and have those über whatevers as direct and have the crates be more mundane stuff. But, the cynic in me doubts that would happen. There has to be that draw, I agree. The difference is folks who aren't addiction prone know what their limit is (as with anything; booze, drugs, food etc.) and can stop.

Arizona_Steve

No [ESO shuts down and you can no longer play]

While I dislike the Crown Crates intensely, a bigger problem for me is that most of the additional content is restricted to the Crown Crates and not available in the Crown Store.

There is so much stuff there I would buy if it was directly available, but I am not going to gamble away my cash for a chance to get what I want. So I will go without and ZOS gets nothing.