Stam DK WW/bleed build advice

Dreth

Trying to figure a way to make a WW/bleed combo DK.

I'm thinking DW (sword/axe)/2h with Blooddrinker and Bloodspawn. What about third set though? Shackle? Hundings? Twin Sisters? WWHide?

I would like to be viable when not in WW as much as possible, but dont want to fall short on my WW form either.

Ragnarock41

step 1: log out of your DK.
step 2:make a stamsorc
step 3: profit.

Serious edit: by playing a Werewolf Dk you officially gimp yourself out of your sustain passives.
For both bleed and WW builds, stamsorc is performing much better. not to mention ult costs less so you can use WW more often.

Qbiken

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

step 1: log out of your DK.
step 2:make a stamsorc
step 3: profit.

Ye, stamsorc is probably going to be your best bet for overall performance.

To OP:
When it comes to playing WW you´ll pretty much have to decide if you want to be powerful in human form (but weaker in WW-form) or powerful in WW-form (and therefore weaker in human form). Since blooddrinker will be your damage set, and bloodspawn being the set that´s going to keep you more tanky, your last set will have to be something that helps you sustain or increase your survivability/heals. (I´m assuming you´ll run blooddrinker on jewels + weapons).

Sets that you might want to check out as your 3rd set:
- Impregnable
- Bonepirate
- Pelinial´s Aptitude (Mandatory if you want to be powerful in WW-form, makes you less viable outside WW-form)
- Durok´s Bane/Cyrodil´s Crest (Cheese warning)
- Barkskin (very underrated set, great for WW who lacks ability to remove snares......yet....)
- 7th Legion (Because why not follow the meta while we´re at it, am I right ^^)

Another note: When playing werewolf you´re better of using Trollking+Lingering HP pots than Bloodspawn. Bloodspawn is great in human form, but in WW form the set won´t give you any ultimate, only the resistance part and since WW already gets extra spell/physical resistance, Trollking outperforms Bloodspawn in my opinion. The more you want to be in WW form, the better trollking becomes. Another good monster helmet choice is Shadowrend.

If you´re on PC/EU feel free to message me in-game, looking for ppl to play WW in cyrodil with.

Dreth

Yeah I know stamsorc is my best option for WW. I got a stam DK just sitting there and I thought WW with bleed would be a fun niche build to play every now and then. I like my stamsorc as is for now and I am not going to level another toon just for this.

Duroks would be nasty on a bleed build lol. Barkskin looks particularly interesting as well.

Thanks for the info guys.

Sharee

I prefer a DK for my wolf because the transformation is such a game-changer for him.

I try to fight in human form as much as possible so i don't waste the ultimate on an easy fight. I start losing - running out of health and resources, the enemy pressure is too high, etc. The enemy thinks he got me. Then i transform, and suddenly i am at full HP, full resources, enemy is feared, and just ate a 14K piercing howl (40% boosted by the fear). It has the potential to completely turn the fight around. Often the enemy is so shellshocked that he won't be able to recover.

My other classes that tried WW basically always have to transform at the start of the fight because they cannot afford to spend time in their weaker incarnation. If they start losing, transforming won't help. So basically waste the ult on every fight because you don't know whether you will be able to beat him out of wolf form or not, and by the time you find out, it will be too late.

(Just in case anyone cares - 2 axes/1h+shield, 5xmedium, pirate skeleton+lord warden, 5x salvation, 5x shacklebreaker)

Dreth

I figured DK would be a good choice bc of the dots they have to stack on top of the bleed, the tanky passives they have (i am assuming they still have in ww form?), and they are the only class I really feel like need the help of the WW. My other stam classes are strong on their own but stam DK has such a lack of defining characteristics right now I figured WW would help the class shine. I just feel bad bc he is just sitting there wasting a character slot of mine and I love the DK class and trying to find a way to make him viable.

Ragnarock41

Dreth wrote: »

I figured DK would be a good choice bc of the dots they have to stack on top of the bleed, the tanky passives they have (i am assuming they still have in ww form?), and they are the only class I really feel like need the help of the WW. My other stam classes are strong on their own but stam DK has such a lack of defining characteristics right now I figured WW would help the class shine. I just feel bad bc he is just sitting there wasting a character slot of mine and I love the DK class and trying to find a way to make him viable.

All you get is 3k spell resistance as a Dk ww.
If you consider that tanky then yes.

Ww is not for Dk, I actually get weaker when I transform to Dk. Try a medium armor vampire dk if you want a very different sDk.

PS: You can use WW as a situational bursting tool but corrosive armor is better, cheaper, tankier than WW.

Dreth

Well thats sad. I guess he stays on the shelf. RIP.

Xvorg

Dreth wrote: »

Trying to figure a way to make a WW/bleed combo DK.

I'm thinking DW (sword/axe)/2h with Blooddrinker and Bloodspawn. What about third set though? Shackle? Hundings? Twin Sisters? WWHide?

I would like to be viable when not in WW as much as possible, but dont want to fall short on my WW form either.

Forget about DK WW. Go Sorc... that cost reduced ulti is worth a try

Dreth

Xvorg wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

Trying to figure a way to make a WW/bleed combo DK.

I'm thinking DW (sword/axe)/2h with Blooddrinker and Bloodspawn. What about third set though? Shackle? Hundings? Twin Sisters? WWHide?

I would like to be viable when not in WW as much as possible, but dont want to fall short on my WW form either.

Forget about DK WW. Go Sorc... that cost reduced ulti is worth a try

This wasnt so much about playing a WW as it was trying to make my stamDK fun to play again despite how bad they suck rn. I thought WW was the answer. I was wrong.

Xvorg

Dreth wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

Trying to figure a way to make a WW/bleed combo DK.

I'm thinking DW (sword/axe)/2h with Blooddrinker and Bloodspawn. What about third set though? Shackle? Hundings? Twin Sisters? WWHide?

I would like to be viable when not in WW as much as possible, but dont want to fall short on my WW form either.

Forget about DK WW. Go Sorc... that cost reduced ulti is worth a try

This wasnt so much about playing a WW as it was trying to make my stamDK fun to play again despite how bad they suck rn. I thought WW was the answer. I was wrong.

Actually, some weeks ago I was thinking about a dunmer DK WW using ashen grip and way of fire. That could be a fun build, a wolf that breathes fire and uses flame claws (like the one you could build in Diablo II).

IDK if it will ever be good, but it will be fun, for sure.

Ragnarock41

Dreth wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Dreth wrote: »

Trying to figure a way to make a WW/bleed combo DK.

I'm thinking DW (sword/axe)/2h with Blooddrinker and Bloodspawn. What about third set though? Shackle? Hundings? Twin Sisters? WWHide?

I would like to be viable when not in WW as much as possible, but dont want to fall short on my WW form either.

Forget about DK WW. Go Sorc... that cost reduced ulti is worth a try

This wasnt so much about playing a WW as it was trying to make my stamDK fun to play again despite how bad they suck rn. I thought WW was the answer. I was wrong.

I really understand you, as a sDk main myself, I was there, I tried werewolf, tried bleed builds, tried vampire, medium armor, heavy armor, everything.

I also have the same issue with my class, Its no longer unique in any ways.

But sadly WW is A LOT done better by stamsorc. can you do Dk WW? yes. Will it be playable? Yes.
Will it be real good and unique? No.

As a Dk you need to keep using volatile armor/igneous shield to have your healing/sustain passives running,
And when you're in WW form you basically don't have access to any of those and you also lose big time on battle roar.
Not to mention you also lose minor brutality quickly because of the same reason.

Every second you spend as a werewolf you lose out on your sustain and your biggest strenght as a sDk , which is healing, is lost when you're not buffed up.

Which is why I said using corrosive armor is a better option in literally any case,as you can probably get another leap in that 10 seconds, but as a werewolf you are wasting so much power.

So TL:DR

WW DK is a big sad bummer.

Xvorg

Another build I've been thinking (IDK if ths work) can be tormentor + tremorscale + a sustain set. Using pounce should proc Tremorscale if pounce is considered a charge ability. I haven't tested it yet, though.

Ragnarock41

Xvorg wrote: »

Another build I've been thinking (IDK if ths work) can be tormentor + tremorscale + a sustain set. Using pounce should proc Tremorscale if pounce is considered a charge ability. I haven't tested it yet, though.

That is a very bad way of having a proc WW.

Go for troll king+viper+bone pirate(or shacklebreaker, its good on a WW build, as you also get magicka+ mag regen from it)

This build I just made out of my head, But I believe it would perform much better than tormentor+tremorscale, tremor is just bad in PvP now.

If you decide to actually go with viper, wear it 3 jewelry+2 weapons, and put WW on the bar with viper active.

Qbiken

Xvorg wrote: »

Another build I've been thinking (IDK if ths work) can be tormentor + tremorscale + a sustain set. Using pounce should proc Tremorscale if pounce is considered a charge ability. I haven't tested it yet, though.

It´s not considered a charge ability. Been tested before

Xvorg

Qbiken wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Another build I've been thinking (IDK if ths work) can be tormentor + tremorscale + a sustain set. Using pounce should proc Tremorscale if pounce is considered a charge ability. I haven't tested it yet, though.

It´s not considered a charge ability. Been tested before

well, that's sad.

Anyone has tried bloodrinker on a WW?

wendal

Hey op, Just wanted to point you in the direction of this thread (if you haven't seen it) a valuable resource for all things furry. Super useful chunks of infomeation for new pups and grizzled vets alike. It just goes to show you can teach an old dog new tricks....
Don't be put off by naysayers, dk wolves can work wonders! Battle roar passive is a game changer.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384516/ebony-wolf-pack-werewolf-101

Ragnarock41

wendal wrote: »

Hey op, Just wanted to point you in the direction of this thread (if you haven't seen it) a valuable resource for all things furry. Super useful chunks of infomeation for new pups and grizzled vets alike. It just goes to show you can teach an old dog new tricks....
Don't be put off by naysayers, dk wolves can work wonders! Battle roar passive is a game changer.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384516/ebony-wolf-pack-werewolf-101

I just explained why battle roar works against you as a werewolf, but sure.
I guess a man can dream.

Qbiken

Xvorg wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Another build I've been thinking (IDK if ths work) can be tormentor + tremorscale + a sustain set. Using pounce should proc Tremorscale if pounce is considered a charge ability. I haven't tested it yet, though.

It´s not considered a charge ability. Been tested before

well, that's sad.

Anyone has tried bloodrinker on a WW?

Tried it, It´s not necessary a bad set (sometimes really strong), but I was personally a bit disappointed with it. The set is good if you have the option to apply many bleeds on your enemy. In WW-form you only have one bleed and it´s from your light attacks. The problem with blooddrinker isn´t the set itself, but what you swap it out for. Unless you play in a group of other WW´s, the general WW playstyle is more of a "the faster I kill someone the better" (very general assumption but not far from the truth). And blooddrinker becomes better the longer a fight continues, and in most cases (talking 1v1 here, since blooddrinker shines best there) you shouldn´t even need the full duration of the bleed to finish someone of as a WW.

But it´s not a weak set though. Think the highest bleed-tick I´ve had in Cyrodil with Blooddrinker was around 4-5k (in WW-form). Add a Defile debuff and it can become really stressful for your opponent.

Xvorg

Qbiken wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Another build I've been thinking (IDK if ths work) can be tormentor + tremorscale + a sustain set. Using pounce should proc Tremorscale if pounce is considered a charge ability. I haven't tested it yet, though.

It´s not considered a charge ability. Been tested before

well, that's sad.

Anyone has tried bloodrinker on a WW?

Tried it, It´s not necessary a bad set (sometimes really strong), but I was personally a bit disappointed with it. The set is good if you have the option to apply many bleeds on your enemy. In WW-form you only have one bleed and it´s from your light attacks. The problem with blooddrinker isn´t the set itself, but what you swap it out for. Unless you play in a group of other WW´s, the general WW playstyle is more of a "the faster I kill someone the better" (very general assumption but not far from the truth). And blooddrinker becomes better the longer a fight continues, and in most cases (talking 1v1 here, since blooddrinker shines best there) you shouldn´t even need the full duration of the bleed to finish someone of as a WW.

But it´s not a weak set though. Think the highest bleed-tick I´ve had in Cyrodil with Blooddrinker was around 4-5k (in WW-form). Add a Defile debuff and it can become really stressful for your opponent.

Well, this is the part when we should ask about keeping weapon passives active on WW form. The axe bleed couls help a lot.

In any case I agree with you, killing fast in the way of the wolf

ta2johnny

I have a kaghit ww stam dk, 4500 base dmg, 20k bleed dot and 18k claws of life dot, non ww is a little squishy, just play around with it till you have something you feel comfortable with. As a member said above ww has high resistances so Troll King would be better over Bloodspawn for ww form.

TheBonesXXX

I run a warden ww, and heavy playing with seventh Legion and unfathomable Darkness (lol), it's funny to see crows work with a WW.

I have seen WW on every class; be creative you can make your class enjoyable.