Im not a tank if I dont use S/B, LULZ welcome to video games...

VaranisArano

Gan Xing wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as you taunt, can hold the boss reasonably still, and don't die, I won't care too much about the rest.

How you taunt is up to you:
Puncture - Onehaded & Shield
Ice Staff Heavy Attack, Trifocus Passive - Destruction Staff
Inner Fire - Undaunted skill line
Tormentor set - procs on a charge ability

I don't care which taunt you use, but holding boss aggro is my bare minimum requirement for a tank.

And yet some pugs go into a dungeon claiming to be tank and end up light attacking with a bow the entire way through (this actually happened to me this past week). I gave up trying to be just dps and told him that I would be the tank (despite me not being set up as a tank)

I hear you. I main a tank, so I do not appreciate getting fake tanks when I run dungeons on one of my healers. Its like "I know what you are doing wrong here, buddy."

Juhasow

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

As long as you can taunt a boss and not die after doing it, then you can tank in dungeons.

This. Don't forget to crack armor too - lowering phys/spell resist really helps DPS.

Sadly, in ESO, the only skill that does all three (taunt, lower phys resist, and lower spell resist) is pierce armor, a S/B skill. It's not a "video games" thing, it's an ESO thing.

No it is a video game thing...the ONLY thing you need to do is hold agro...via, taunts, dps, etc...AND not die in the process.

Defilted wrote: »

As long as you can taunt a boss and not die after doing it, then you can tank in dungeons.

EXACTLY, thank you!! +1

There are tanks and TANKS. Looks like You belong to the 1st group.

Jamini

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Morvane wrote: »

I'm tired with frost staff tank experiments, new ways to be tank? Bow tank, 2h tank, unarmed tank? No, thnx, and return pls Frost staff to dps

No, it is a perfectly viable magicka tank option. There are more than enough dps options.

perfectly viable.... Ok let’s reevaluate your stance on this. Perfectly viable solo play? Sure. Semi-viable in vet dungeons? Depending on dungeon, then yes.

Viable in trials? No. Stop here lol.

I've taken a frost tank through NORMAL trials without issues, even nMoL and nHoF. (Mind, I backbar a shield anyway since the taunt is much cheaper).

Your argument stands for vet trials and vet DLC content, but you can certainly manage normal trials, vet dungeons, and normal DLC with a frost staff.

kypranb14_ESO

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

As long as you can taunt a boss and not die after doing it, then you can tank in dungeons.

This. Don't forget to crack armor too - lowering phys/spell resist really helps DPS.

Sadly, in ESO, the only skill that does all three (taunt, lower phys resist, and lower spell resist) is pierce armor, a S/B skill. It's not a "video games" thing, it's an ESO thing.

Using a heavy attack on a frost staff and immediately casting Reaper's Mark would grant all of those things, it would just take a little longer. I do understand that this is Nightblade only however.

Juhasow

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

As long as you can taunt a boss and not die after doing it, then you can tank in dungeons.

This. Don't forget to crack armor too - lowering phys/spell resist really helps DPS.

Sadly, in ESO, the only skill that does all three (taunt, lower phys resist, and lower spell resist) is pierce armor, a S/B skill. It's not a "video games" thing, it's an ESO thing.

Using a heavy attack on a frost staff and immediately casting Reaper's Mark would grant all of those things, it would just take a little longer. I do understand that this is Nightblade only however.

Warden also. Subterreanean Assault have both and it's also AOE.

mildlylucid

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

...there are many ways to tank...one of them being S/B.

And you can "dps" [/sarcasm] on a snipe spamming bow/bow build. What's your point...

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Ahhhh, look at all the salt on my table, yummy...you all sound like the dudes who used to tell me "OH you use snipe, your a garbage NB" lulz as ur laying there dead in the dirt. Don't get mad cause someone can do what you do effectively...and don't listen to these cookie cutter forum warriors copying and pasting...lol, get some and get back to me...

Oh.
Well you do you and I'll just hope I never group finder into you.

Gan Xing

Jamini wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Morvane wrote: »

I'm tired with frost staff tank experiments, new ways to be tank? Bow tank, 2h tank, unarmed tank? No, thnx, and return pls Frost staff to dps

No, it is a perfectly viable magicka tank option. There are more than enough dps options.

perfectly viable.... Ok let’s reevaluate your stance on this. Perfectly viable solo play? Sure. Semi-viable in vet dungeons? Depending on dungeon, then yes.

Viable in trials? No. Stop here lol.

I've taken a frost tank through NORMAL trials without issues, even nMoL and nHoF. (Mind, I backbar a shield anyway since the taunt is much cheaper).

Your argument stands for vet trials and vet DLC content, but you can certainly manage normal trials, vet dungeons, and normal DLC with a frost staff.

Hah! I've taken my frost Warden with a frost staff and S/b into vet dungeons and did fine. I even brought her into a DLC dungeon and did half decently (i mean, it was a pug group and none of us had completed the dungeon before)... we completed it, after 2 hours or so of figuring out mechanics and dying a lot... woulda been faster if we were in TS or discord tho

itsfatbass

I don't understand why as a tank you wouldn't want to run s/b for the benefit of a second 5 piece anyways.

Cadbury

I predict dual shields will become the next tanking meta.

Curragraigue

Video of you tanking Vet Trials with no sword and board? If no put a qualification on the statement.

Tanking with no sword and board on normal dungeons and non-DLC Vet dungeons, sure. Doing DLC Vet dungeons with a good group, maybe but you are running with a handicap. Running Vet Trials without sword and board on the tank... I doubt it.

Vapirko

If you’re just talking about normal dungeons maybe not. I think a lot of people just get fed up because there are so many fake tanks that are really dps and just want to queue faster. Most people know that the only other taunts are heavy ice staff attack or inner fire, which is fine, so long as you can reliably use inner fire without running out of resources. I’ve tanked with an ice staff and it’s really not great. The amount of time it takes to wind up a heavy attack can mess things up if you lose taunt for some reason or an add runs in and grabs the lock on.

Whatzituyah

Right now I am thinking a Warden Ice Staff Tank feels very interesting. I will like to talk about it further though.

raj72616a

looks like troll bait to me.
haven't got kicked or criticized in pug for tanking with staff.

T4T2FR34K

Cadbury wrote: »

I predict dual shields will become the next tanking meta.

+1, made me actually laugh out loud!!

GreenhaloX

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

...there are many ways to tank...one of them being S/B.

Sure, in normal contents.. heck, you even need S&B for normal contents. Btw, what is "lulz?"

T4T2FR34K

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Btw, what is "lulz?"

Laughing at you, not with you.

Hixtory

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

As long as you can taunt a boss and not die after doing it, then you can tank in dungeons.

This. Don't forget to crack armor too - lowering phys/spell resist really helps DPS.

Sadly, in ESO, the only skill that does all three (taunt, lower phys resist, and lower spell resist) is pierce armor, a S/B skill. It's not a "video games" thing, it's an ESO thing.

No it is a video game thing...the ONLY thing you need to do is hold agro...via, taunts, dps, etc...AND not die in the process.

Defilted wrote: »

As long as you can taunt a boss and not die after doing it, then you can tank in dungeons.

EXACTLY, thank you!! +1

NO, if you use frost staff as backbar is OK, but if you are doing both front and back frost staff and you think you only need to maintain aggro as a tank then any decent player should kick you out of the instance.

Tanks jobs are the maintain aggro, buff the group and debuff the target.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Aaaannnnd this thread is why I have never pugged and never will.

Elusiin

ajcorbell wrote: »

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Ughh...right, like the tank that taunts and shield blocks is "better" than the tank who taunts AND does DPS...hmmm...don't think so, next...

The tank who taunts, debuffs the target and buffs his group is the best kind of tank.

So an Ice Staff Tank qualifies for the 'best kind of tank'?

taunt: inner fire, ice staff heavy attack
debuff: weakness to elements, chilled(almost always triggered with warden)
group buff: frost cloak, guard, maturation(Green Balance passive)

coop500

DanteMR1995 wrote: »

ajcorbell wrote: »

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Ughh...right, like the tank that taunts and shield blocks is "better" than the tank who taunts AND does DPS...hmmm...don't think so, next...

The tank who taunts, debuffs the target and buffs his group is the best kind of tank.

So an Ice Staff Tank qualifies for the 'best kind of tank'?

taunt: inner fire, ice staff heavy attack
debuff: weakness to elements, chilled(almost always triggered with warden)
group buff: frost cloak, guard, maturation(Green Balance passive)

Frost staff tanking is indeed a valid way to tank, especially with these skills

Asardes

Things in normal dungeons don't hit hard enough to warrant using a 1H+S setup on one of your bars, and also enemies have low health, meaning that debuffs are not that important either. I've tanked normal dungeons, including DLC ones, on several characters in DD setup, with only the undaunted taunt slotted. On my Magicka Sorcerer even a few veteran non-DLC ones (ex. Blackheart Haven) when doing jewelry farm runs. However for most veteran dungeons, especially the DLC ones, it's basically mandatory to use 1H+S due to the fact you need all the blocking mitigation to survive hard hits from bosses. Those can make your health yo-yo a lot even when blocking, and clad in at least 5p of heavy armor (ex. Velidreth "corpulence", Earthgore & sons punches etc.)

Asardes

coop500 wrote: »

Let me boil down the 3 main tank choices, regardless of equipment. A off-tank: Taunts, keeps boss still, then focuses on DPS

Actually that's not what an off-tan does. Off-tanks usually tank one or several adds in trials, where those adds need to be kept away from the group due to various things they do. For example:
- Maw of Lorkaj: Off-tank takes the Savages out of the group due to the resistance debuff they put, one tank takes Vashai and the other S'kinrai, main tank takes Rakkat while off-tank takes the Savage (main tank takes over for short periods to regen armor)
- Aetherninan Archive (difficult mode): main tank takes the axes, off tank takes de Storm Atronachs and usually the boss, depending on tactic
- Hel Ra Citadel (difficult mode): main tank takes the Warrior, while off tank takes the Gargoyles and other adds
- Sanctum Ophidia: main tank takes the Manticora, off-tank goes in the hole and tanks the mini-boss, main tank takes Ozara and the Overcharger, while the off-tank takes the other adds away, main tank takes the Serpent, off-tank takes the Lamias and some of the Manticoras
An off-tank is never required in 4 man content, with the exception of the last boss in vDSA, when the tank becomes the off-tank, by taking the adds away while the healer tanks the boss.

Whatzituyah

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I predict dual shields will become the next tanking meta.

+1, made me actually laugh out loud!!

I never needed that Samurai Jack gif that scene of him grabbing 2 shields too run through traps more than I do now!
Edit: someone found the one I did!

VaranisArano

Whatzituyah wrote: »

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

I predict dual shields will become the next tanking meta.

+1, made me actually laugh out loud!!

I never needed that Samurai Jack gif that scene of him grabbing 2 shields too run through traps more than I do now!

Dual Wielding Shields New Tank Meta:

Whatzituyah

I wouldn't be surprised I mean an Unarmed and spear skill lines are not available yet might as well add Dual Wielding Shields!

Betsararie

Defilted wrote: »

As long as you can taunt a boss and not die after doing it, then you can tank in dungeons.

But SnB is the best way to do this.... by far.

If you're running anything other snb on your tank, it's a cause for concern. And that includes ice staff

It's like a healer coming in running bow and saying to not write them off because their heals are "amazing". Maybe they can still heal other group members, by would it be as good as if they weren't running resto? Nope

People just misunderstanding core concepts of the game. It's not about "you doing you", it's about achieving the best possible results. The "you do you" game is over there, it's called Hello Kitty. Maybe you should go play that (not directed at you necessarily just for anyone who disagrees with me)

firedrgn

S&B looks kewl and just looks tanky thats enough right there. Every thing else is a plus.