Do you want ZOS to do something about Fake Tanks

Stewart1874

I have no issue provided they are decent. If they are *** and don't know mechanics ...

But yeah, maybe something like a 'hey buddy' prompt and explain the concept of tanking to the player - maybe if they get kicked multiple times or their damage output is grossly disproportionate to their role - tanks should be less than like half of a DD right? - there must be damage calculators for the entire dungeon run ?

Alpheu5

Stewart1874 wrote: »

I have no issue provided they are decent. If they are *** and don't know mechanics ...

But yeah, maybe something like a 'hey buddy' prompt and explain the concept of tanking to the player - maybe if they get kicked multiple times or their damage output is grossly disproportionate to their role - tanks should be less than like half of a DD right? - there must be damage calculators for the entire dungeon run ?

If I end up doing 15% of group DPS on a boss then something is going wrong. In a good group I only range from 3.5% to 6%.

zaria

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

PlagueSD wrote: »

Bad tank in group = Vote kick. Problem solved.

What they REALLY need to fix is needing to hit "F" 50 times to get a dungeon.

This, also that in normal dungeons its not just one weak player its 2-4.
I also assume this problem is mostly resolved, I assume queue times as DD is back to normal.
Has not done random dungeons afterwards as i done a bit to many of them lately.

NewBlacksmurf

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Nothing to do about them...its people......

A real solution is just remove all roles literally from the selection and scale Def, Damage and Healing unless its a premade group. Call those premade groups Veteran or Hard mode and everything else normal but the keep the diff versions of each dungeon.

No idea why they have it set up the way they do...and why they try to blend roles and allow hybrids and later go back and remove hybrids and blended roles.

MAKE A DECISION and STICK TO IT ....adjust the game as a result in all instances

Girl_Number8

CrazyCleatus wrote: »

I vote yes.

Make it so you absolutely need a DPS/DPS/Tank/Healer, Support/DPS/Tank/Healer, etc. type of group to succeed even in normal dungeons (basically make them harder and more dynamic).

Doubt too many people would queue into fake roles if it means you won't complete the dungeon because you lack actual healing/tanking abilities.

Those would be called Vet dungeons and Vet trials. A majority of players don't need or want what your suggesting. It would harm the game and guilds that actually take the time to help new players learn dungeons and the game. smh

PlagueSD

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

You should only be able to queue as one role...

TANKS should only be able to queue for one role.

A healer and DPS role basically use the same stats. High magica and high crit. Tanks put all their points into survival and health. Neither which are optimal for the other 2 roles.

Slick_007

i dont vote in stupid biased polls.

its not upto zos to do anything. ignore them and kick them and soon they wont get into any groups. even when they stop ticking tank

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Yes

Slick_007 wrote: »

its not upto zos to do anything. ignore them and kick them and soon they wont get into any groups. even when they stop ticking tank

You can't ignore them. ESO does not implement anything like a blacklist. It relies on PSN, so you are blocking someone from ever interacting with your through any community and/or game. Of course, this list is very short and at some point (20?) you block someone and someone else is removed (FIFO). And this ignore list has no effect in ESO, apart from not showing what they type. Yes, you can still get grouped with them.

Having a real in-game ignore list would definitely help: you can't be grouped nor talk to anyone whos ignoring you. At some point these people wouldn't be able to enter any dungeon/trial, even covering their own role.

PlagueSD

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

zaria wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

Bad tank in group = Vote kick. Problem solved.

What they REALLY need to fix is needing to hit "F" 50 times to get a dungeon.

This, also that in normal dungeons its not just one weak player its 2-4.
I also assume this problem is mostly resolved, I assume queue times as DD is back to normal.
Has not done random dungeons afterwards as i done a bit to many of them lately.

Ran some randoms on my tank last night. It seems back to normal...mostly. I never have to deal with the DD queue as I always queue with my buddy. When he queues on his healer, I queue on my DPS. When I queue on my tank, he brings his DPS. This ensures that we ALWAYS have a Healer/DPS or Tank/DPS combo that know what the hell they're doing. Makes dungeon runs less painful.

Slick_007

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

You can't ignore them. ESO does not implement anything like a blacklist. It relies on PSN,

pc doesnt. it blocks them fully. so what you want is consoles to have the same ignore list.

ZunaRoath

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Its incredible people are still complaining on about this, seriously. On vet, ok, maybe. On normal... Are you serious. You can even solo normal so easy, even some vet dungeons you can solo without any problems.

Smasherx74

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

redspecter23 wrote: »

A simple yes/no would have been appropriate. Why did you have to bias up the poll? The results won't even be accurate, not that you were looking for that anyway.

Because I dislike the guys who say

"I'd rather them do something else"


Those guys are extremely undesirable and if I have to turn this thread into a joke to avoid them I will gladly do so.

VaranisArano

PlagueSD wrote: »

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

You should only be able to queue as one role...

TANKS should only be able to queue for one role.

A healer and DPS role basically use the same stats. High magica and high crit. Tanks put all their points into survival and health. Neither which are optimal for the other 2 roles.

Uh. For Vet content, maybe.

For Normals, my stamina sorc DPS/Tank is capable of filling either role. She's slightly more tanky than a pure DPS build and does S&B/DW. As tank, she'll taunt, hold boss aggro, and stay alive plus doing a lot of AOE and single target DPS. As a DPS, she just doesn't taunt. She won't do as much DPS as a pure DPS might, but her DPS is sufficient for a normal dungeon.

Given that she's successfully tanked and DPSed normal White Gold Tower, I'm not concerned about her ability to both tank and do damage.

On the other hand, my pure tank MagDK who does Vet dungeons wouldn't ever queue as a DPS, because she does tank-level DPS. In normal dungeons, she supports the team and does a lot of crowd control, but she's less efficient at mowing through normal dungeons than my DPS/Tank is. Still a good addition to a group, especially if the group lacks experience or DPS, but less necessary if the group has high DPS and experience.

schroed360

Fake tank are just consequences. Real problem is Fake dps that queue as Dps. Totally for a dps dummy check to be able to queue as a dd^^.

Glurin

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

The only reason anyone worries about fake tanks is because they get hung up on the concepts of tank, healer, DPS and confuse base stats with top end competitive trial leader board stats.

If the tank is handling himself and doing his job well enough, then he could be primarily light attacking with a bow for all I care. Same concept goes for healer and DPS. If the dungeon is going well, then what does it matter?

As long as the job gets done, I don't really care how they did it.

Zimbugga

There isn't good opinion. It's not ZOS's job to do something to fake tanks. Players must know what is tanks' role. Sometime is hard to have good resistance, but when you try different things then you can found your own style to have good resistance. Don't forget taunt.

Urza1234

Yes

josiahva wrote: »

Its simple, if a tank isn't tanking, a DPS isn't DPSing or a healer isn't healing, you vote to kick them, if your teamates agree, they are gone.

The problem is when they're dual queueing. The number of 4k dps dual wielding fake tank NBs I had to carry during this event was phenomenal, and frequently they were queueing with their *** 4k dps friend so I could not kick them. You people are *** if you think that isnt an issue.

Tell ya what, If you dont want to implement restrictions on fake tanks in normals then implement a DPS check for Vets. As a healer I feel like I cant queue for either type of group finder because I either have to carry idiot fake tanks in normal or go at a snails pace in vet.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

We can't do anything about all the fake dps running around why treat fake tanks any different.

Urza1234

Yes

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

We can't do anything about all the fake dps running around why treat fake tanks any different.

Because there is a difference between incompetence and fraud.

EvilAutoTech

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

I would just like them to fix group finder. I loaded into an empty Eden Hollow 1 and couldn't requeue for 10 minutes. WTF. I didn't get a dungeon but have to wait for a dungeon.

BigBadVolk

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

I bet every No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference. chooser is a fake tank.... shame guys

Fallen_Ray

Yes

They don't have to do much and by not doing so much they can do a lot. Simple, Include a tutorial dungeon it doesn't have to be anything too big. Just a cave with 2 bosses (something like: mob room, 1st boss, mob room final boss) so they can explain to new players each role and their jobs in a dungeon.

This can be a solo only instance where the player picks its role and the other roles are done by NPC. And reward the player with a skill point or two for completion. That way word gets around, EVERYBODY (or almost everybody) completes this tutorial therefore they get to understand how dungeon mechanic works. And make it so it can be repeated so that the player tries other roles (obviously no repeated rewards)

It's possible considering the game already has some quests where it forces you to participate cooperatively with NPC. But since its too much work ZOS i doubt it will happen.

Slick_007

Urza1234 wrote: »

The problem is when they're dual queueing. The number of 4k dps dual wielding fake tank NBs I had to carry during this event was phenomenal, and frequently they were queueing with their *** 4k dps friend so I could not kick them. You people are *** if you think that isnt an issue.

hilarious. they are complaining that the assigned tank isnt doing a lot of dps. they havent mentioned if they tanked ok, just that they didnt do a lot of dps. which is traditionally how tanks work.

some people just dont know how to complain properly. never fear, hang around these forums a bit longer and i'm sure you'll improve.

idk

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Wow, this poll really puts things into perspective of how the forums view the issue. Clearly not much of an issue.

lagrue

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Voted on the answer OP obviously didn't want just due to how biased the poll was.

Sygil05

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

I think whatever measures they would take to enforce this would only create more problems. I've very rarely had one of these nightmare runs people bring up on the forums where the group wasn't able to complete the dungeon, but I typically only use activity finder for normal dungeons, most of which are soloable.

Dragonnord

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Tanks? Tanks are not used anymore in this game, only for Trials and maybe, just maybe, for vBF and vFH.
 

SGT_Wolfe101st

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Everyone (at least those with OP's POV) think its "FAKE" tanks, did we ever consider that its NEW tanks, or a new person all together? Even if they have high CP, Shywatch runs don't teach you anything about your build. Maybe they don't know what they are doing? I know there are those that queue as a Tank to bypass the wait but to insinuate that it is so bad that ZOS get involved is insane. If they are new, help them, if they are bad, give them some role/gear advice, it all of that is too much for you get a guild or friends and stop using Activity Finder. PUGS are random by design, use it and live with the results or don't.

Hecker777

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Just my two cents AGAIN cause this keeps coming up. As long as you can live, and taunt who really cares for a norm. I took my PvP stam warden into normal Volenfell with 3 level 30-ish's as a HEALER last night and pertty much DPS'd while popping a mushroom or tree here and there as we needed it and we didn't suffer a single group member death. "fake" support can be just fine as long as those people cover the basics of that role

Zagnut123Zagnut123

No, I'm so good it doesn't make a difference.

Urza1234 wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

We can't do anything about all the fake dps running around why treat fake tanks any different.

Because there is a difference between incompetence and fraud.

You can't prove these fake tank aren't incompetent.