Message to ZOS

Radinyn

Hello forums!

First, I'm playing this game since beta and absolutely love it. I don't plan to leave it or anything.

Dear Zenimax,
If you want to maintain stable community, your DLC policy SHOULD change.
You want to release 3 DLC + one chapter a year, at least one of the DLCs will cost some money.
I know ESO+ exists, but there are still many players who just want to buy the DLC once and for ever.
Zenimax, if you will continue adding DLCs with current policy you will reach Paradox Crisis.

The DLCs will cost much more than the base game.
It's not Europa Universalis IV when they don't do almost anything.
In ESO they are really important part of the game.

I spent quite some money on ESO, it was worth it, but still, I don't want to see the game fall into the trouble like that.

[Edit to remove profanity from title]

dpencil1

Ummm.... wut?

You want them to keep making new content but not charge anything for it? Or you want them to stop making new content? Or you want the new content they make to be pointless fluff that you can happily live without?

How about they keep making great content on a consistent cycle and charge a fair price for the work they put in to make it...?

Rohamad_Ali

I think the option to subscribe and get them all sort of makes it fair in pricing . Only exception would be Morrowind and that was priced over the base game and not covered by subscription .

Radinyn

dpencil1 wrote: »

Ummm.... wut?

You want them to keep making new content but not charge anything for it? Or you want them to stop making new content? Or you want the new content they make to be pointless fluff that you can happily live without?

How about they keep making great content on a consistent cycle and charge a fair price for the work they put in to make it...?

Of course I want them to keep making new content, but I think they should make dlcs bigger, maybe longer distances between them, so we don't have spam of dlcs. Maybe more "types" of gold editions, something like battlechest.

Rouven

You are saying the value of ESO+ is increasing all the time???

Radinyn

Rouven wrote: »

You are saying the value of ESO+ is increasing all the time???

"I know ESO+ exists, but there are still many players who just want to buy the DLC once and for ever."

JarlUlfric

Currently as it stands, I think the game's DLC schedule is fine. I think it would be a very bad idea to increase the time between DLC releases. I'm not sure if you were around ESO at the time, but there was a 4 Month and 5 Day period of time with no DLCs and no updates between the release of Orsinium and the release of Thieves Guild, and in my experience damn near killed the game.

For example the time between TG and DB was 2 Months, 24 days
DB to Hist was 2 Months, 1 Day.
Hist to One Tamriel was 2 Months, 4 days
One Tamriel to Homestead was 4 months, 1 day.
Homestead to Morrowind was 3 Months, 16 days (early access)
Morrowind to Horns was 2 Months, 23 days.
Horns to Clockwork was 2 Months, 9 days.

As you can see, the average is roughly a DLC every 3 months, which I think is absolutely necessary to rejuvenate the gameplay. A game like ESO needs constant attention, and won't benefit from a longer DLC schedule.

Storymaster

Some people are determined not to sub at any cost, and yet they still want the world for free.

Gimme, gimme, gimme!

Huyen

Radinyn wrote: »

Hello forums!

First, I'm playing this game since beta and absolutely love it. I don't plan to leave it or anything.

Dear Zenimax,
If you want to maintain stable community, your DLC policy SHOULD change.
You want to release 3 DLC + one chapter a year, at least one of the DLCs will cost some money.
I know ESO+ exists, but there are still many players who just want to buy the DLC once and for ever.
Zenimax, if you will continue adding DLCs with current policy you will reach Paradox Crisis.

The DLCs will cost much more than the base game.
It's not Europa Universalis IV when they don't do almost anything.
In ESO they are really important part of the game.

I spent quite some money on ESO, it was worth it, but still, I don't want to see the game fall into the trouble like that.

If you look at train simulator 2017 on steam, you will see that the base-game costs 40 bucks, with about 4000 bucks of extra dlc's wich you need to run player-created contend. I hope that ESO wont head that way either...

twev

Storymaster wrote: »

Some people are determined not to sub at any cost, and yet they still want the world for free.

Gimme, gimme, gimme!

I've subbed since I bought the game before release.
I don't think I'm a 'Gimme, gimme, gimme!' player if I think that after paying a sub for several years to help float the costs of the game and subsidize the costs of people who pay nothing, that I've amortized the purchase price of previous years DLCs to some extent, and just maybe by the 3rd year I ought not lose the ability to play the first years DLCs if I stop subbing.

starkerealm

Probably worth remembering that EU4 is a grand strategy game, not an MMO. So, DLC for a title like that can be far more wide reaching than an MMO could ever paywall.

Rouven

Radinyn wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

You are saying the value of ESO+ is increasing all the time???

"I know ESO+ exists, but there are still many players who just want to buy the DLC once and for ever."

It's good that you know that and I saw that you wrote that but you have to give it the right positive spin and acknowledge this properly!


So, one game is a strategy game (256 people over LAN, wohoo) and this is a MMORPG. It's just a different structure. Kinda like saying a three star restaurant should offer fast-food prices to me. I don't know. Forever is a long time.

Storymaster

twev wrote: »

Storymaster wrote: »

Some people are determined not to sub at any cost, and yet they still want the world for free.

Gimme, gimme, gimme!

I've subbed since I bought the game before release.
I don't think I'm a 'Gimme, gimme, gimme!' player if I think that after paying a sub for several years to help float the costs of the game and subsidize the costs of people who pay nothing, that I've amortized the purchase price of previous years DLCs to some extent, and just maybe by the 3rd year I ought not lose the ability to play the first years DLCs if I stop subbing.

@twev if you're subbing, then right on. I was directing my statement at the OP. He does not want to sub and he does not want to pay for all of the DLC, so he just wants everything for free. I don't buy DLC because I always sub. If you're an ESO Plus subscriber, then you're supporting ESO, so right on.

What gets stuck in my craw is folks that do not financially support the game, or they do so only sparingly, and then they have the gall to complain about how new content is accessed.

That dog don't hunt.

phairdon

You can buy the dlc, look in the crown store.

JKorr

Radinyn wrote: »

Rouven wrote: »

You are saying the value of ESO+ is increasing all the time???

"I know ESO+ exists, but there are still many players who just want to buy the DLC once and for ever."

Strange. I used the crowns from my ESO+ to buy the dlc once and forever. You know, in case I have to drop my sub for some reason. Still have the sub; haven't had to drop it. Still get the crowns for being subbed. Own all the dlc outright. So I'm not quite understanding the issue, I guess. Of course, I don't see the major world ending total wrongness of having to pay for a chapter expansion, either. Oh well.

[If I don't have to/want to/they haven't released more dlc, I buy senche mounts, senche pets, cats, and the occasional wolf or horse mount with the crowns.....]

Avran_Sylt

If this game was a one and done kind of thing, I would agree with you. Since there would no longer be any additional work put into this product. This is not the case though, as this game is being released more like a service than a standalone product.

For a second, let's look at this like a television series. The first season is produced, you like the concept, so you buy and watch that season. It was successful enough to warrant another season. Should you get that next season free of charge since you bought the first season? I would say no, as while it is the same IP, this IP now has more Work-hours placed into it than when you first bought it.

The same goes for DLC on a video-game. Unless you're on a subscription service, then the DLC's should cost you money individually for the additional Work-hours in each. At some point, there will be a time when the amount of Work-hours invested in the game after initial release will surpass the initial Work-hours put into the game, and this will always happen as long as there is continued development on a project. So at some point the price of the extra work put into a product should surpass the original price.

For the average consumer looking at this product, given many years of continued development, this would not be feasible to purchase in one fell swoop, so you now have the option to purchase a lease on this content (Subscription) instead.

Arguing that the price of DLC's should have a combined total less than the base game price is arguing that any additional work put into the game should have diminishing returns.

(Course, this is just my opinion, I have no idea what I'm talking about)

Taleof2Cities

Still don’t know what the OP’s point is, but would like them to at least acknowledge new content doesn’t come for free ...

stevepdodson_ESO888

OP...are you implying that in future if you buy the base-game you will also get all the old DLC's rolled up into a bundle with it for the same one-off price (let's say $20 for want of a figure) ?

which in itself makes the cost of buying DLC's negligible (almost free in that respect)

or am i like everyone else here...just not able to understand what your post is about???

i am happy to be enlightened if anyone is able to

idk

Message to @Radinyn

The game you are citing is not an MMO so little really corresponds to ESO. Different genres work differently. At that, every game within a genre should not do everything the same, otherwise why would someone want to play one game vs another.

Also, what you have said makes about zero sense. Zos now has a model of 1 "chapter" followed by 2 DLCs with specific types of content. One being dungeons and the other being zones.

Any player can purchase any DLC they want and have forever access to it as you seem to be suggesting you want. Bingo.

So glad Zos is setup to avoid Paradox Crisis since that would be such a tragic thing.

If none of this makes sense to you and your intent with your post then you must re-write your OP again because it makes zero sense, as already stated.

Reading someone else's post there it may be you are implying (but not clearly doing so) that the previous DLCs should be sold at a huge discount. Well, they already are. Gold edition bundled the first 4 DLCs that way and I expect another bundle will come our way eventually.

Acrolas

It's actually the free update (Homestead) that could cost the most out of pocket, factoring in all the crown only houses and furnishings.

And game packs are really more like book or movie sequels. If I like a series enough, I'm going to pay to experience its continuation. I'm not getting that new Star Wars trilogy for free because I watched the other movies. That's not how commercial art works.

Jeremy

Radinyn wrote: »

Hello forums!

First, I'm playing this game since beta and absolutely love it. I don't plan to leave it or anything.

Dear Zenimax,
If you want to maintain stable community, your DLC policy SHOULD change.
You want to release 3 DLC + one chapter a year, at least one of the DLCs will cost some money.
I know ESO+ exists, but there are still many players who just want to buy the DLC once and for ever.
Zenimax, if you will continue adding DLCs with current policy you will reach Paradox Crisis.

The DLCs will cost much more than the base game.
It's not Europa Universalis IV when they don't do almost anything.
In ESO they are really important part of the game.

I spent quite some money on ESO, it was worth it, but still, I don't want to see the game fall into the trouble like that.

[Edit to remove profanity from title]

This is the case with all MMORPGs that stay on the market. Expansions eventually will cost more than the base game when added together.