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Miat users be like...
ParaNostram
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Miat users be like... "What you expect me to dodge only some arrows by luck, skill, and careful timing? B-b-but I wanna be Neo dodging everything! I'm the chosen one! You expect me to get hit by somebody I can't see behind me from across the field coming out of stealth AKA playing their play style? BRUH!"
Okay all negativity aside, ZOS, how can you look at this addon and think it's not effectively cheating? Also players, how can you not see that when you rely on a tool like this to tell you when to dodge when to attack when to block what ability is being channeled by who and when it'll land before any audio cue comes to you that you're only cheating yourself? If that tool is ever taken out of your hands I bet you'd forget even how to stand how heavily ya'll leaning on it! Skill is developed through challenging yourself, and when you got a HUD telling you when to do everything nothing is challenging your ability to play anymore (only your ability to play as you're told).
Okay all negativity aside, ZOS, how can you look at this addon and think it's not effectively cheating? Also players, how can you not see that when you rely on a tool like this to tell you when to dodge when to attack when to block what ability is being channeled by who and when it'll land before any audio cue comes to you that you're only cheating yourself? If that tool is ever taken out of your hands I bet you'd forget even how to stand how heavily ya'll leaning on it! Skill is developed through challenging yourself, and when you got a HUD telling you when to do everything nothing is challenging your ability to play anymore (only your ability to play as you're told).
"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm
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✭They are looking into it again because they never paid it much attention last time on the 'fix'
Expect it will be fixed again in 6+months time. Not like PvP was either competitive or fair anyway
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✭✭Probably uses it himself and is then all like..
*herself and the only addons I use are lorebooks, skyshards, and that one that lets you toggle hide helm by typing /helm.Nerf stealth snipe. Remove stealth stun.
Bruh... might as well remove stealth as a whole then. Wanna know how to deal with snipers? You put literally any pressure on them and they die
I don't like the add-on either, but apparently they're looking into it so I'll have to wait.
And I'ma keep swinging until somebody removes this horse from the area! Seriously, I've been looking at this rotting horse carcass (exploit addon) just sitting in my living room (PvP) for too long and I'm sick of it!"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why can’t anyone be Neo if others are Legolas?Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
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Snipe users looking at Miat's users like
Edited by VaranisArano on November 13, 2017 4:31PM4 -
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Let's all be clear, no matter how much we despise the add-on. It's not in breach of any ToS (as ZOS is supplying the API it's using) so we should stop calling it an exploit or cheating.ParaNostram wrote: »And I'ma keep swinging until somebody removes this horse from the area! Seriously, I've been looking at this rotting horse carcass (exploit addon) just sitting in my living room (PvP) for too long and I'm sick of it!
It's better we all make sure those words are used for actual cases as to not confuse new players or muddy the terms making it harder to combat actual cheats/exploits.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."4 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't like the add-on either, but apparently they're looking into it so I'll have to wait.
They've been looking into it for almost a month now and we've had zero update on what's going to happen and when.
Alas,
...until it's fixed or we get some communication.
If ZOS thinks they can say they fix it and then hope we forget the whole topic & let it slide, they're mistaken.
Why are something as trivial as loading screens "highest priority", but we have to wait months for a fix (or even follow-up response) to something that's preventing dozens of different builds from being viable/playable in PvP?Edited by DDuke on November 13, 2017 4:38PM0 -
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Fires Snipe at person a horse riding by.
The moment I fire the shot they are off thier horse and blocking
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Let's all be clear, no matter how much we despise the add-on. It's not in breach of any ToS (as ZOS is supplying the API it's using) so we should stop calling it an exploit or cheating.ParaNostram wrote: »And I'ma keep swinging until somebody removes this horse from the area! Seriously, I've been looking at this rotting horse carcass (exploit addon) just sitting in my living room (PvP) for too long and I'm sick of it!
It's better we all make sure those words are used for actual cases as to not confuse new players or muddy the terms making it harder to combat actual cheats/exploits.
Let's be clear... Half of the forums are acknowledgements that ZOS makes mistakes and soils the bed frequently. Just because when they first looked at it they said "oh it is't an exploit it isn't a breach of ToS" doesn't mean they made the right call. Let's also be clear, I do think of this as an exploit and I am not alone, just because you do not agree does not mean it doesn't match the definition of an exploit in a game.
So yeah is it reeeeaaaaally so unbelievable that with how much ZOS screws up that they made a bad call on this addon? Is it? Is it really so hard to believe Turelus?"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
Order of the Black Worm2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Honestly , ZoS has stated they are not comfortable with some of the features in the addon and will make some kind of change . You know why they won't say exactly what they're uncomfortable with ? Because if they said it was bypassing stealth then that would be admitting they've allowed an exploit in their game for a long time . If they admit that then users should be punished under the ToS . They are carefully handling this situation to cover their own butts . Some of them don't have a issue with it either . That's even more concerning that there is a bias in their own company over what can and can and cannot be covered in their ToS . That neutrality players expect is not present . An that is why I no longer have faith in ZoS to do what is right and what is written in their own rules . It's pick and choose with them .6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »Buffs up
Fires Snipe at person a horse riding by.
The moment I fire the shot they are off thier horse and blocking
Okay then no kills today *Cloaks and runs away*
Something as skilled as a horse gank doesn’t deserve AP.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
br0steen✭✭✭✭I don't like the add-on either, but apparently they're looking into it so I'll have to wait.
Didn't they already make a statement about how they don't consider using this addon as cheating? Although with the new heavy banhammer zos has recently unleashed perhaps they will now, and probably rightfully so.0 -
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✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »Buffs up
Fires Snipe at person a horse riding by.
The moment I fire the shot they are off thier horse and blocking
Okay then no kills today *Cloaks and runs away*
Something as skilled as a horse gank doesn’t deserve AP.
If you are riding blindly through a warzone on your horse without taking proper precautions, you dont deserve to survive. Make sure your horse isnt at depleted stamina, use immovable / detect pots while on horse back , apply mage light, user anti stealth sets, seriously the amount of in game counters are numerous. If you are oblivious to the danger you deserve to die.4 -
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✭✭✭I don't like the add-on either, but apparently they're looking into it so I'll have to wait.
Didn't they already make a statement about how they don't consider using this addon as cheating? Although with the new heavy banhammer zos has recently unleashed perhaps they will now, and probably rightfully so.
They won't ban for the addon use. They will change API access.1 -
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✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »Buffs up
Fires Snipe at person a horse riding by.
The moment I fire the shot they are off thier horse and blocking
Okay then no kills today *Cloaks and runs away*
Something as skilled as a horse gank doesn’t deserve AP.
I think getting any kills with 300+ ping is good as far as I am concerned.
Most of my kills are on people fighting resource gaurds.
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Because the loading screens issue prevents ALL builds from being playable, because you can't play in cyrodiil at all. Because instead you're in a loading screen. That's why.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »Buffs up
Fires Snipe at person a horse riding by.
The moment I fire the shot they are off thier horse and blocking
Okay then no kills today *Cloaks and runs away*
Something as skilled as a horse gank doesn’t deserve AP.
If you are riding blindly through a warzone on your horse without taking proper precautions, you dont deserve to survive. Make sure your horse isnt at depleted stamina, use immovable / detect pots while on horse back , apply mage light, user anti stealth sets, seriously the amount of in game counters are numerous. If you are oblivious to the danger you deserve to die.
Experienced players know all of that. But those are not the targets of horse gankers.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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✭Some players need to cheat to win and it seems ZOS does not want to listen to all the players who have complained about Miats addon. At this point all you can do is deal with the problem or stay out of PvP.Edited by Palidon on November 13, 2017 4:51PM3 -
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They're not going to ban people for this because they're supplying the information which the add-on uses.I don't like the add-on either, but apparently they're looking into it so I'll have to wait.
Didn't they already make a statement about how they don't consider using this addon as cheating? Although with the new heavy banhammer zos has recently unleashed perhaps they will now, and probably rightfully so.
If they take action now it will likely just be to remove that portion of the API.
They made a bad call that it's possible to do this and I feel in time it will be addressed. However that still doesn't make it cheating or exploiting no matter how much we dislike it.ParaNostram wrote: »
Let's all be clear, no matter how much we despise the add-on. It's not in breach of any ToS (as ZOS is supplying the API it's using) so we should stop calling it an exploit or cheating.ParaNostram wrote: »And I'ma keep swinging until somebody removes this horse from the area! Seriously, I've been looking at this rotting horse carcass (exploit addon) just sitting in my living room (PvP) for too long and I'm sick of it!
It's better we all make sure those words are used for actual cases as to not confuse new players or muddy the terms making it harder to combat actual cheats/exploits.
Let's be clear... Half of the forums are acknowledgements that ZOS makes mistakes and soils the bed frequently. Just because when they first looked at it they said "oh it is't an exploit it isn't a breach of ToS" doesn't mean they made the right call. Let's also be clear, I do think of this as an exploit and I am not alone, just because you do not agree does not mean it doesn't match the definition of an exploit in a game.
So yeah is it reeeeaaaaally so unbelievable that with how much ZOS screws up that they made a bad call on this addon? Is it? Is it really so hard to believe Turelus?
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
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✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »Buffs up
Fires Snipe at person a horse riding by.
The moment I fire the shot they are off thier horse and blocking
Okay then no kills today *Cloaks and runs away*
Something as skilled as a horse gank doesn’t deserve AP.
If you are riding blindly through a warzone on your horse without taking proper precautions, you dont deserve to survive. Make sure your horse isnt at depleted stamina, use immovable / detect pots while on horse back , apply mage light, user anti stealth sets, seriously the amount of in game counters are numerous. If you are oblivious to the danger you deserve to die.
Experienced players know all of that. But those are not the targets of horse gankers.
Then they can learn. Simple. That's what our brains are for ^^0
