How many golden whales are out there?

Lyserus

Mundue stone furniture cost 4k crown....EACH.
So each of them worth 2 dlc??

What kind of ppl are this rich to ignore the label and buy all those?? How many golden whales are out there to keep ZOS gives such pricing?

silvermistktralasub17_ESO

it might be noted that our guild actually set up a paypal link on the guild website so that guild-members could donate toward the mundus stones we have. We now have all of those, as well as all of the tables (including the newest ones) and the transmutation station. But it was a guild effort, rather than a single person's effort. that's the best way to do things like this.

essi2

Also, everytime you see a pre-existing asset on the CS, ZOS only needs to sell one to make a profit on it.

MasterSpatula

essi2 wrote: »

Also, everytime you see a pre-existing asset on the CS, ZOS only needs to sell one to make a profit on it.

Not necessarily true. Pretty sure the manhours of the art team will add up to a few hundred dollars on even the simplest of items.

Turelus

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

essi2

@MasterSpatula It does not take much effort to take something that already exists ingame and make a few adjustments to make it conform with the furnishing system.

If we were talking about new assets, like the Elk Mount, I would agree with you.
That thing was still too expensive though.

Lyserus

Turelus wrote: »

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

hmm I'm not insulting those buyers, I just admire their wealth

MasterSpatula

I don't disagree that the Elk was stupid expensive. I'm just saying that even at $40 or so, they're going to have to sell.... oh, maybe 8 or so, before they make a profit.

After that, it's pure profit, though.

Turelus

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

hmm I'm not insulting those buyers, I just admire their wealth

Generally calling people "golden whales" isn't a nice way of addressing someone.

Also your thread seems to be aimed at finding out who the people are that pay prices you don't like and thus keeping them high by buying them, correct me if I am wrong but that's the tone/feeling I got from its wording.

Lyserus

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

hmm I'm not insulting those buyers, I just admire their wealth

Generally calling people "golden whales" isn't a nice way of addressing someone.

Also your thread seems to be aimed at finding out who the people are that pay prices you don't like and thus keeping them high by buying them, correct me if I am wrong but that's the tone/feeling I got from its wording.

hmmm english is not my first language so...

Try read my thread with a shocking voice, imagine the emotion I have when I discover the price of mundus stones, you will have a closer feeling

Didn't know golden whale is rude tho, just some way to address the rich ppl

Urza1234

MasterSpatula wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

Also, everytime you see a pre-existing asset on the CS, ZOS only needs to sell one to make a profit on it.

Not necessarily true. Pretty sure the manhours of the art team will add up to a few hundred dollars on even the simplest of items.

Sunk costs are sunk, very basic economic concept. The only costs associated with putting a --PREEXISTING-- asset on the crown store are the fifteen minutes it takes an intern to add it to the store and perhaps the fractions of a penny it adds to the server cost overhead.

Turelus

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

hmm I'm not insulting those buyers, I just admire their wealth

Generally calling people "golden whales" isn't a nice way of addressing someone.

Also your thread seems to be aimed at finding out who the people are that pay prices you don't like and thus keeping them high by buying them, correct me if I am wrong but that's the tone/feeling I got from its wording.

hmmm english is not my first language so...

Try read my thread with a shocking voice, imagine the emotion I have when I discover the price of mundus stones, you will have a closer feeling

Didn't know golden whale is rude tho, just some way to address the rich ppl

Whales is a term used by the gaming industries sleaziest to describe players who spend a lot of money on their games.
The terms used a whales, dolphins and minnows and none of them are meant with affection for their players.

Apologies for my comments then as you were not aware, but yeah calling someone a golden whale is not a great way to ask an honest question about their spending habits.

PathwayM

Ain't our problem that you college students can't afford the lambos... *makes it rain*

Rawkan

Lots of people with disposable incomes (myself included). Crowns are actually pretty cheap compared to other MMO's in-game currencies.

Cage_Lizardman

I know at least one who has them all, think he paid for them himself.

I have no problem with those particular items. I think it's good if ZoS can make money off stuff that doesn't significantly affect gameplay.

sevomd69

One of my guild mates have all of them in his home...so....

...and I think he has EVERY house...

FrancisCrawford

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

hmm I'm not insulting those buyers, I just admire their wealth

Generally calling people "golden whales" isn't a nice way of addressing someone.

Also your thread seems to be aimed at finding out who the people are that pay prices you don't like and thus keeping them high by buying them, correct me if I am wrong but that's the tone/feeling I got from its wording.

hmmm english is not my first language so...

Try read my thread with a shocking voice, imagine the emotion I have when I discover the price of mundus stones, you will have a closer feeling

Didn't know golden whale is rude tho, just some way to address the rich ppl

Whales is a term used by the gaming industries sleaziest to describe players who spend a lot of money on their games.
The terms used a whales, dolphins and minnows and none of them are meant with affection for their players.

Apologies for my comments then as you were not aware, but yeah calling someone a golden whale is not a great way to ask an honest question about their spending habits.

I don't wholly agree.

The term "whale" probably started in the casino industry. It has been adopted by the computer/mobile gaming industry. It describes customers from whom a lot of money can be extracted. The term may be fundamentally cynical, but beyond that it's neither insulting nor complementary.

That said, I do have a video supportive of your viewpoint -- Bob Fosse at his harshest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3VfKlfDEk

vyndral13preub18_ESO

While it is a different company and an ex-employee so take it with a grain of salt, it does sound reasonable. And if there are people out there dropping $15k on loot boxes at a time, you can expect to keep seeing them and other high priced items.

https://youtu.be/K-R4i4vXAsk

Slurg

Now here's something that could have been good poll material.

I have only seen full sets in guild halls but I have heard of individuals who have a couple of them in order to switch quickly.

KingMagaw

My friends were discussing this recently.

The mundus stones were already made for the base game. They were just added to the CS.

4k each is troll worthy. All of us agreed it was too much to pay for a slight convenience. Would of bought 4 for 4k inn a bundle sure.

So between the guild we were discussing, ZOS lost any sales on those by overpricing them by us.

zyk

Whales are destroying computer gaming as we know/knew it. It is very disappointing. Eventually, these will just be platforms for rich children (at a mental level) to show off their expensive shoes.

To some degree, this is already true as most of the actual 'gaming' in ESO is so easy, it can hardly be called gaming anymore.

In the larger picture, I think this relates to the problems western culture is facing across the world as post-WW2 values fade away and inequality grows.

NewBlacksmurf

MasterSpatula wrote: »

essi2 wrote: »

Also, everytime you see a pre-existing asset on the CS, ZOS only needs to sell one to make a profit on it.

Not necessarily true. Pretty sure the manhours of the art team will add up to a few hundred dollars on even the simplest of items.

Seriously doubt that....not to be rude or short but do you own or buy real art?
$400 - $1000 is realistic for nice poster size originals done on certain textures with the frame included.

Digital items......$1-$5 each at best.
You have to consider per ZOS these items are being made open to over 5-8 million potential customers.

Also, people aren't actually buying these, its the crowns that they are buying therefore this is simply a exchange of virtual currency. Most items are priced waaaay to high so I choose not to buy any but to suggest the cost is on target, is a bit off if its considered the cost of an artist development.

Gargath

Turelus wrote: »

Whales is a term used by the gaming industries sleaziest to describe players who spend a lot of money on their games.
The terms used a whales, dolphins and minnows and none of them are meant with affection for their players.

Apologies for my comments then as you were not aware, but yeah calling someone a golden whale is not a great way to ask an honest question about their spending habits.

Please mr Ambassador give a better examples how to describe players who spend a lot of money on microtransactions in their games . I also was thinking about these only as golden whales, thought from my point of view (English 2-nd language too) the meaning is much more cute and accurate than rude in any way. Maybe you are just a bit too sensitive .

Also IMHO 4k crowns for a single furniture is simply meeh. 9k crowns for 6 months subscription I got, means I could afford 2 furnitures .

Jayman1000

Lyserus wrote: »

What kind of ppl are this rich to ignore the label and buy all those??

The kind of people who are that rich.

Nemeliom

silvermistktralasub17_ESO wrote: »

it might be noted that our guild actually set up a paypal link on the guild website so that guild-members could donate toward the mundus stones we have. We now have all of those, as well as all of the tables (including the newest ones) and the transmutation station. But it was a guild effort, rather than a single person's effort. that's the best way to do things like this.

Your guild rocks

ClockworkCityBugs

silvermistktralasub17_ESO wrote: »

it might be noted that our guild actually set up a paypal link on the guild website so that guild-members could donate toward the mundus stones we have. We now have all of those, as well as all of the tables (including the newest ones) and the transmutation station. But it was a guild effort, rather than a single person's effort. that's the best way to do things like this.

its against the rules, to post links for real money donations in game
i will report your guild

Cadbury

-shrug- I've only heard the term "whale" used. Not gold, silver, whatever. Maybe it's because I'm in the U.S.

Feric51

PSA - If your wife/girlfriend goes spray tanning, do not refer to her as a "golden whale" unless you have a comfortable couch.

geonsocal

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

hmm I'm not insulting those buyers, I just admire their wealth

Generally calling people "golden whales" isn't a nice way of addressing someone.

Also your thread seems to be aimed at finding out who the people are that pay prices you don't like and thus keeping them high by buying them, correct me if I am wrong but that's the tone/feeling I got from its wording.

hmmm english is not my first language so...

Try read my thread with a shocking voice, imagine the emotion I have when I discover the price of mundus stones, you will have a closer feeling

Didn't know golden whale is rude tho, just some way to address the rich ppl

Whales is a term used by the gaming industries sleaziest to describe players who spend a lot of money on their games.
The terms used a whales, dolphins and minnows and none of them are meant with affection for their players.

Apologies for my comments then as you were not aware, but yeah calling someone a golden whale is not a great way to ask an honest question about their spending habits.

I don't wholly agree.

The term "whale" probably started in the casino industry. It has been adopted by the computer/mobile gaming industry. It describes customers from whom a lot of money can be extracted. The term may be fundamentally cynical, but beyond that it's neither insulting nor complementary.

That said, I do have a video supportive of your viewpoint -- Bob Fosse at his harshest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3VfKlfDEk

man, what are you trying to do @FrancisCrawford - class up the joint

Cadbury

geonsocal wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I love how you insult everyone you want to answer your question.

hmm I'm not insulting those buyers, I just admire their wealth

Generally calling people "golden whales" isn't a nice way of addressing someone.

Also your thread seems to be aimed at finding out who the people are that pay prices you don't like and thus keeping them high by buying them, correct me if I am wrong but that's the tone/feeling I got from its wording.

hmmm english is not my first language so...

Try read my thread with a shocking voice, imagine the emotion I have when I discover the price of mundus stones, you will have a closer feeling

Didn't know golden whale is rude tho, just some way to address the rich ppl

Whales is a term used by the gaming industries sleaziest to describe players who spend a lot of money on their games.
The terms used a whales, dolphins and minnows and none of them are meant with affection for their players.

Apologies for my comments then as you were not aware, but yeah calling someone a golden whale is not a great way to ask an honest question about their spending habits.

I don't wholly agree.

The term "whale" probably started in the casino industry. It has been adopted by the computer/mobile gaming industry. It describes customers from whom a lot of money can be extracted. The term may be fundamentally cynical, but beyond that it's neither insulting nor complementary.

That said, I do have a video supportive of your viewpoint -- Bob Fosse at his harshest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3VfKlfDEk

man, what are you trying to do @FrancisCrawford - class up the joint

I'm more of a Twyla Tharp fan myself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hgzw5spUxc

geonsocal

i wish someone would call me a golden whale...