Magicka DK - PvP - BSW vs Silks

teladoy

Seems that BSW gives more flame damage by a difference of 129. Now the question is, for a magicka DK where all your abilities do Flame damage, what is advantage to use one or the other? is because those Minimum 4 seconds you dont have the buff up you are losing more damage than if having all the time the 400 flame damage?

Could be that SOTS is more for pve and BSW for pvp? i thought that DKs need more like to burn down enemies quick and put preasure since they lack of executes, then why use SOTS?

ak_pvp

BSW imo isn't up enough. And you can't get any preemptive strikes. I use SOTS. Personally like the health bonus more than the crit too. For the last statement, I find the opposite.

Sigtric

I've heard a lot of back and forth on this, and I believe the current mathematical winner is bsw (boo math, won't confirm) but personally I find silks to work better for me for raw dps output.

vMaick

Generally speaking, bsw in trial groups and silks of the sun for solo/small groups

teladoy

And what about the burning status effect? That's also more damage! Really I can't understand and realize why people believe SOTS > BSW in pvp...because in that case I believe Jualianos > SOTS

Brutusmax1mus

Use them both. I tank all 4 man content with this combo except dlc and vdsa. With eruption, inferno, breathe fire, burning embers, deep breath, burning embers, i bet i have close to fill uptime.

Savos_Saren

Why not both?





I'm eventually going to replace one of these sets with Innate Axiom, though. I haven't decided which one yet.

Sixty5

BSW is the better set for PVP since the spell damage will also apply to heals, and because single target DOTs keep the stats that they were cast with.

It also plays into Mag DK's kill pattern where they time burst around ults and such. You work to get BSW up while pressuring with DOTs and then use a kill combo with ult.

WhoThenNow7

jaburns wrote: »

Why not both?





I'm eventually going to replace one of these sets with Innate Axiom, though. I haven't decided which one yet.

Do you mind walking through all aspects of your build? I use both as well and my stats are not that good by a considerable amount..

SHADOW2KK

I use 5 Silks, 5 BSW and 2 Valkyn on my mag dk, hes absolutely brutal.

Narvuntien

If you can only use one, Sun.. BSW is too hard to keep up in PVP. Damage and Health is more important for PVP than Crit.

What are your bars for the Sun + BSW build? I have all the gear for it... but I might not have all the skills unlocked yet.

I need to go into IC for a master writ haha.

teladoy

Narvuntien wrote: »

If you can only use one, Sun.. BSW is too hard to keep up in PVP. Damage and Health is more important for PVP than Crit.

What are your bars for the Sun + BSW build? I have all the gear for it... but I might not have all the skills unlocked yet.

I need to go into IC for a master writ haha.

I think this guy is right:

Sixty5 wrote: »

BSW is the better set for PVP since the spell damage will also apply to heals, and because single target DOTs keep the stats that they were cast with.

It also plays into Mag DK's kill pattern where they time burst around ults and such. You work to get BSW up while pressuring with DOTs and then use a kill combo with ult.

As DK with Heavy armor + Hand and shield you will not do the same damage as Sorcerer with light armor. Also you don't have any execute. So in my opinion, the best thing is always try to put preasure on the enemy with for example Skoria and BSW to output in certain moments of the fight, surprisely strong extra damage. The idea is try to burn down the enemy in the most unexpected moment when he thinks everything is under control. Also as he said the spell damage boost the heal.

Vesper_BR

SOTS is more reliable and the argument of it increasing your healing don't fit very well since dks don't use coagulation while in combat, we use it while kiting or escaping. In combat our heals come from damage (burning embers and power lash) and in PvP most of our attacks goes when we can and not when we want, and sometimes Bsw procs in worst times and you can't time the combo very well. Notice that the Bsw bonus don't increase your dots after they are applied. So you will need to reapply them again to have increased damage bonus, I don't think it's worth.

In pve it the very opposite, since as Dd you are pressuring the enemy 100% of the time and heals come from heallers.
125 sd and about 5% crit aren't worth in pvp. Mind that as a dk you apply burning almost in every single atack, even without bsw., We don't need it.

Merlin13KAGL

BSW will buff everything, Silks will only buff fire. While i realize most of your damage as DK is fire, Silks will improve heals and magicka damage skills as well.

Even shorter answer is use the one you have. They're both very close by comparison.

Vesper_BR

I have them both and fell much more comfortable with sots as my pressure is constant and I can choose to use my leap combo right when I want.... Again, don't use the argument of Bsw buffing your healing, it's bs*. Some things are only good in theory.

teladoy

I understand everything what your saying, but as a magicka DK is almost impossible to have BSW in cd for more than 4 seconds when you are in combat. It's a risky and circumstantial set , but when it procs it makes your more stronger than with SOTS.

The critical value also boost your damage it doesn't matter if it is pve or pvp. The healings, damage, everything will be also more stronger while the buff is active. An enemy can feel very confident during the battle and then, when he least expects it, start to feel a lot of preassure, this could leadi him to not be able to handle the situation confused by the sudden changes in the fight, leading him to make a mistake and burn him down.

From the other side SOTS is a safe choice. A set that is more close to julianos. It's more balanced and not too much offensive. The enemy can measure you very good.

Vesper_BR

As I said.. the theory don't concretize Very well in real circumstances... As the differences between these two sets are very low when Bsw is procc'ed and very high when it's on cooldown. But, if u like it...

who I'm to desencourage.

teladoy

Vesper_BR wrote: »

As I said.. the theory don't concretize Very well in real circumstances... As the differences between these two sets are very low when Bsw is procc'ed and very high when it's on cooldown. But, if u like it...

who I'm to desencourage.

Yes... I'm asking myself the same question... who are you... now i'm really confused and starting to believe better go for SOTS...

ak_pvp

If you want heals or buffs to mag damage, Innate axiom is better. Unless you are running a fire staff.

BSW is just a bit *** outside of PvE where it is maintainable, and where crit matters.

Vesper_BR

teladoy wrote: »

Vesper_BR wrote: »

As I said.. the theory don't concretize Very well in real circumstances... As the differences between these two sets are very low when Bsw is procc'ed and very high when it's on cooldown. But, if u like it...

who I'm to desencourage.

Yes... I'm asking myself the same question... who are you... now i'm really confused and starting to believe better go for SOTS...

Lol... I think u should give it a try...

That's my char outside Ciro (just igneous)

Vesper_BR

Whip tooltip

zParallaxz

Lol I probably have the highest whip tool tip here on forums

Vesper_BR

zParallaxz wrote: »

Lol I probably have the highest whip tool tip here on forums

I was just showing that I get good damage with satisfactory cost a 100% of the time

zParallaxz

I’m one of the best magdks on Xbox Na, silks is alright however u might as well run Julianos and gain the spell crit instead of the wasted health bonus from silks.

Vesper_BR

zParallaxz wrote: »

I’m one of the best magdks on Xbox Na, silks is alright however u might as well run Julianos and gain the spell crit instead of the wasted health bonus from silks.

You run la right? Now I got that u sent me a message on Xbox live...
I play on HA cause most of the time on Ciro I'm zerged down... I need the resistances to stay alive and try to get one or another... When u have 5 star is like u are carrying the scroll... You became the very target of everyone...
(Sometime people even send messages calling me *** or asking for duels... )

BTW I don't claim to be good or better at anything... If u think you are, congrats! I really don't remember seeing u on cirodill. You must be from my faction then.
I just play my game and try to have fun... What's is became very hard past weeks...

Vesper_BR

And if I had the option to craft jewelry I would use julianos for sure. Now I'm using shackle + sun and it suits me very well. And as I said, my preference is sots OVER Bsw... Not talking about other options.

Adenoma

Neither. Run 5x overwhelming surge, 5x desert rose, 2x Skoria and build for block cost reduction.

BSW belongs to an old pre-nerf meta and silks of the sun will be worse than innate axiom in a week. Desert rose offers by far the best sustain, Skoria meteors with leap and deep breath give great burst, and surge gives minor vulnerability.

Savos_Saren

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Why not both?





I'm eventually going to replace one of these sets with Innate Axiom, though. I haven't decided which one yet.

Do you mind walking through all aspects of your build? I use both as well and my stats are not that good by a considerable amount..

@WhoThenNow7

It's a 5l/1m/1h build. (I get bonuses from the Undaunted passives). All items are legendary with prismatic enchants. I use Infused on the helm, chest, and legs (for more stats in my resource pools) and impen on the shield, shoulders, gloves, sash, and boots. (in PVE, I'd use divines). Use tristat food. Make your mundus The Atronauch. Use two magicka recovery glyphs on your rings and one spell damage glyph on your necklace.

I plan to min/max even further by using a 5l/1m/1h setup on a Valkyn/BSW/Innate Axiom build. I'll use a heavy chest, medium helm, and all the rest will be light. (this gives the highest resistances)

Gorrest

zParallaxz wrote: »

Lol I probably have the highest whip tool tip here on forums

Not sure about that, this is just Major Sorc+Continuous Attack for me. Could go higher if I run BSW and proc it, but oh well I like having that tooltip up 100% of the time.

zParallaxz

Continuous isn’t always up and I have 11.2k unbuffed without anything but nice try

Savos_Saren

zParallaxz wrote: »

Continuous isn’t always up and I have 11.2k unbuffed without anything but nice try

Whew... this guy. So, perhaps try not to be a Farva with every comment. 11.2k unbuffed flame lashes seem like you're dropping a lot into spell power and suffering in regen. That probably works in gank or one-hit wonder playstyles (which is fine) but there's no need to trash talk people who don't play your exact build. Otherwise, you come off as a machismo teen. You don't want that, do you?