Health Regen Racial Passives need to be removed

Waffennacht

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

I may be incorrect, but if I recall correctly there's only three: Khajiit, Nord, and Orc.

Orcs really don't need anything additional in my opinion, they have enough going for them. Adding crit resistance would be fitting for a Khajiit. Nords need something resource management related; whether it be an increase to stam regen or an unique mechanic (e.g. receives resources when damaged).

Why make these changes? Because the change done to Major Defile made health regen useless.

No it didn't it just fixed it.

Leave Orc and Nord alone, the health recovery suits them. Khajiit can have whatever, I'd pick 6% stamina.

It's nice for a templar, allows you to self-heal less and purge more. I'm always amazed at how much damage can be purged.

Or how much I wish I could purge

Twohothardware

They don't have to entirely remove it but they have to buff it to compensate for how Major Defile now reduces health recovery by 30% and Major Defile is easy to constantly keep up.

In the case of Orc the Health Recovery bonus should be buffed to 30% and the races melee damage passive should be buffed from 4% to 7% to compensate for having no Stamina recovery passive.

Nord should have the damage reduction passive and cold resistance passive both dropped and replaced with a passive that increases damage like Orc and a sustain passive like reduced Stam cost.

ZoS needs to look at Redguard and balance all the other Stam races to have either noticeably higher max damage or healing to compensate for the noticeable difference in stamina sustain. You should have to make a choice between easier sustain and better max damage. Right now Redguard gives everything with the damage from 10% max stamina on top of two Stamina sustain passives. There's no reason to play as anything else in PvE or PvP because any potential DPS difference is too minimal.

dodgehopper_ESO

Twohothardware wrote: »

They don't have to entirely remove it but they have to buff it to compensate for how Major Defile now reduces health recovery by 30% and Major Defile is easy to constantly keep up.

In the case of Orc the Health Recovery bonus should be buffed to 30% and the races melee damage passive should be buffed from 4% to 7% to compensate for having no Stamina recovery passive.

Nord should have the damage reduction passive and cold resistance passive both dropped and replaced with a passive that increases damage like Orc and a sustain passive like reduced Stam cost.

ZoS needs to look at Redguard and balance all the other Stam races to have either noticeably higher max damage or healing to compensate for the noticeable difference in stamina sustain. You should have to make a choice between easier sustain and better max damage. Right now Redguard gives everything with the damage from 10% max stamina on top of two Stamina sustain passives. There's no reason to play as anything else in PvE or PvP because any potential DPS difference is too minimal.

I do agree they should be careful in how they allow Defile to ruin Health Recovery. I do not agree with the following suggestions you made. Orc is already one of the best Stamina Races in the game from a pvp perspective. They have fantastic melee burst, high mobility, and toughness on their side. I think your suggestion is horrible. Nords are meant to be tough and changing it in the manner you suggest fails to recognize what the race is and should be.

The real issue is a suggestion I've been making for years. Racial passives should be a STATIC #. They should be valuable but not factor in ANY of the math involving gear, cp, etc. It should just be a friendly little bonus. Instead of Health Recovery 30% or such nonsense maybe it should just be +500 Health recovery. These kinds of changes should factor with ALL racial benefits. Race is overly meaningful in this game, and while I think it should matter somewhat and be thematic it should not have such defining results. Give us static Racial numbers ZoS, for goodness sake it'd be easier for you to balance the game if you did.

waitwhat

Agree with this wholeheartedly, and really appreciate how constructive the thread is trying to offer solutions. @ZOS_RichLambert This is worth a look.

It may be that whatever replaces health recovery passives will need to be resource/attribute focused in some way. Not sure, but that may be how ZOS sees it.

If that's the case, then perhaps Nords can have a larger stam bonus, Khajiit can get magicka recovery, and Orcs can more health.

A larger stam pool coupled with the Nord's damage reduction will allow them to block a little bit more.

Better mag recovery will help BOTH Khajiit NBs and Khajiit DKs. It's not just for cloakers.

More health for Orcs increases their survivability while keeping them more distinct from Redguards.

If we can have whatever we'd want, however, I'd say block cost reduction for the nord, increased critical damage (in addition to chance) for the khajiit, and reduced cc-break cost for the orc.

DeadlyRecluse

Health regen has been steadily nerfed every single patch since 1 Tamriel.

Please stop.

idk

Daus wrote: »

I may be incorrect, but if I recall correctly there's only three: Khajiit, Nord, and Orc.

Orcs really don't need anything additional in my opinion, they have enough going for them. Adding crit resistance would be fitting for a Khajiit. Nords need something resource management related; whether it be an increase to stam regen or an unique mechanic (e.g. receives resources when damaged).

Why make these changes? Because the change done to Major Defile made health regen useless.

For Nord the health regen makes more sense because some actually like them for a tank due to the damage reduction passive. Yes, I know they are not the #1 or #2 choices for tanking, but still.

Further, unless someone really stacked heal regen to the max it is fairly weak. 1000 health regen is only 500 per second. It has never been great with the one exception I mentioned.

Jade1986

Yes, lets just get rid of the passives that tanks prefer. Yep, sounds logical. If anything those passives need to be buffed imo.

Asardes

laced wrote: »

Yes, lets just get rid of the passives that tanks prefer. Yep, sounds logical. If anything those passives need to be buffed imo.

Yep, because that health recovery will save your ass when some bosses hit you for 20K+ trough block. It will take a full 50s to recover from that with 800 recovery, since it ticks every 2s.
"Death by a hundred cuts ..."
"Just lemme regen dat!"

Jade1986

Asardes wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Yes, lets just get rid of the passives that tanks prefer. Yep, sounds logical. If anything those passives need to be buffed imo.

Yep, because that health recovery will save your ass when some bosses hit you for 20K+ trough block. It will take a full 50s to recover from that with 800 recovery, since it ticks every 2s.
"Death by a hundred cuts ..."
"Just lemme regen dat!"

I have 3k health regen on my regen tanks, with more cp itd be 4 k, so yeah, 20% as a passive is really good for my spec. ZoS made the game so 3 races are optimal for tanking, 3 for stam and 3 for magicka. We dont need all races to be dps, this game and a lot of mmos now adays are already dps centric enough.

Maryal

Well, with all these suggested changes, just make sure wood elfs maintain their reduction to fall damage passive, you know, for those times when we faint because our health recovery is so low.

dodgehopper_ESO

laced wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Yes, lets just get rid of the passives that tanks prefer. Yep, sounds logical. If anything those passives need to be buffed imo.

Yep, because that health recovery will save your ass when some bosses hit you for 20K+ trough block. It will take a full 50s to recover from that with 800 recovery, since it ticks every 2s.
"Death by a hundred cuts ..."
"Just lemme regen dat!"

I have 3k health regen on my regen tanks, with more cp itd be 4 k, so yeah, 20% as a passive is really good for my spec. ZoS made the game so 3 races are optimal for tanking, 3 for stam and 3 for magicka. We dont need all races to be dps, this game and a lot of mmos now adays are already dps centric enough.

Actually it didn't really start out that way. I'd like to note that the game was initially focused on 3 faction races for the 3 factions. AD had Khajiit (Tank - yes I know its ridiculous), Bosmer - (Stamina DPS), Altmer (Magic DPS). DC had Orc (Tank), Redguard (Stam DPS), Breton (magic dps). EP had Nord (Tank), Argonian (wtf?), and Dunmer (Magic DPS). Obviously Argonian changed and so did the others. Orc was also a subject to a lot of changes over the years, including its much heralded 4% melee weapon damage, which use to be a bonus to charge attacks (ie: Shield Charge, and 2Hander Charge). I'm actually in agreement with you about not all races being DPS Centric. My own personal view is that races need to be less vital in the choice one makes. I've always made this choice, even when weapon damage and spell damage did not mean what they mean today. I'd also like to point out with you that I fully agree that Tanks should not get the short end of the stick and it really bugs me when designers shaft the tanks and relegate them to damage sponges for high end (trial type) content, leaving them worthless in all other conditions. That's not a very fun way to run your game. The suggestion I've regularly made is that static boosts would mean an Altmer would not be so flawed as a melee warrior. It would mean he'd get say +X fire damage on his fire staff if he used it, or off an enchantment proc. It'd mean his bonus lets say +2000 Magicka would be a nice bonus, but it wouldn't press him to scale up his Magicka due to percentage stacking. This is the world I'd like to see this game operate in.