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Purifying Ritual Cost Increase=Hard Stamplar Nerf
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As it stands purify is one of the two magicka dumps for Stamplar. Being we are a stamina class the average magicka for a stamplar is roughly 10k, meaning we have no choice but to already use our purifys in an adept and strategical manner. The justification for your nerf holds no weight in reference to stamplar, leading me to infer it is directed at magplars, and yet again stamplars are going to be caught in the crossfire of magplar nerfs. Repentence nerf was for healers. Major mending nerf was for healers. This nerf is clearly for magplars in PvP. Please, zenimax, if you want to continue to dish out unneeded nerfs to magplar, please please find a way to prevent it from also affecting stamplar.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yeah I feel like we are constantly reminding ZOS that Stamplars even exist.
I think we could potentially swallow adding a soft spam-penalty cost-scaling mechanic for Cleansing Ritual (a la Streak, Dodge roll) but another big cost increase is a real kick to the scrote for Stamplars while not affecting Magplars much at all.
There could be other solutions as well but nope, always gotta be the knee-jerk easy road for ZOS.
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templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno I have provided lots of valuable feedback here on the forums(I know for a fact you have heard and listened to me before), I was a tester for morrowind during closed beta, and I am a monthly sub for Eso plus. I can confidently say if this change or another magplar nerf that sacks stamplar goes through AGAIN, I will unsubscribe and uninstall this game.2 -
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✭✭I don't know enough about the situation to know whether there was a good reason for this change or not.
But neither are stamplars weak in PvP atm nor is anyone forcing you to run 10k magicka. Magicka builds use higher stam pools as well.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't know enough about the situation to know whether there was a good reason for this change or not.
But neither are stamplars weak in PvP atm nor is anyone forcing you to run 10k magicka. Magicka builds use higher stam pools as well.
It’s about the principle that stamplar keeps getting caught up in magplar nerfs. This is the third time this year. Enough is enough.0 -
Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭do they even know, which class sorcs are? sorcs are those shield, crushing shock and c-frags spammer or those with pets (not the bear obviously)...probably not too hard to differ from those templars with spears made of light and holy glowing around them...
Come on ZOS, keep your promises and start balancing, where it is actually needed;)1 -
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✭I don't know enough about the situation to know whether there was a good reason for this change or not.
But neither are stamplars weak in PvP atm nor is anyone forcing you to run 10k magicka. Magicka builds use higher stam pools as well.
It’s about the principle that stamplar keeps getting caught up in magplar nerfs. This is the third time this year. Enough is enough.
Why even are magplars being nerfed? I just don't *** understand this *** anymore.Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »I don't know enough about the situation to know whether there was a good reason for this change or not.
But neither are stamplars weak in PvP atm nor is anyone forcing you to run 10k magicka. Magicka builds use higher stam pools as well.
It’s about the principle that stamplar keeps getting caught up in magplar nerfs. This is the third time this year. Enough is enough.
Why even are magplars being nerfed? I just don't *** understand this *** anymore.
They want to make purge more tactical, except forgetting that it already is tactical.
They needed to justify making eclipse unblocked DMG but gave everyone an unblockable cc anyway.
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✭✭✭✭I wish I could run 10k stam on my magplars and not die the first time I need to CC break and then dodge.
I have no idea why they decided to nerf templars AGAIN though. Ritual ain't strategic when a dozen poisons and debuffs are on you and you are as likely to purge the poison with 1 second left as you are the major defile.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
Anrose✭✭✭✭✭With the amount of poisons, snares, and other debuffs out there constantly hitting me, I can rarely purge all the effects off me with one cast of Extended Ritual... and that's 5 effects.
WTB customizable purge priority list.
Seriously, if this goes live, a priority list is the only thing that won't kill Stamplars.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't know enough about the situation to know whether there was a good reason for this change or not.
But neither are stamplars weak in PvP atm nor is anyone forcing you to run 10k magicka. Magicka builds use higher stam pools as well.
Here's a good rule of thumb IMHO.
If you, or anyone else for that matter, do not know enough about the situation, then a nerf is notjustified. If something is busted, game-breaking, OP to the point where it's fairly clear a nerf is necessary, then you'd know enough.
Just because a class spec is not weak, doesn't mean throwing on a nerf is improving the game.2 -
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✭✭I wish I could run 10k stam on my magplars and not die the first time I need to CC break and then dodge.
I have no idea why they decided to nerf templars AGAIN though. Ritual ain't strategic when a dozen poisons and debuffs are on you and you are as likely to purge the poison with 1 second left as you are the major defile.
You can...be an argonian0 -
Baconlad✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wut? I dont get to use break free strategically as a magplar. I have to build in stamina to my build. Bout freaking time they made stamina buttholes have to build magic into their builds0 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wut? I dont get to use break free strategically as a magplar. I have to build in stamina to my build. Bout freaking time they made stamina buttholes have to build magic into their builds
This isn’t a magplar vs stamplar thread please stop with this nonsense. It derails the topic at hand as has nothing to do with the discussion. Magicka doesn’t have to use their main pool for dodge roll, break free and block like stamina builds do, and on the same note their are counter-arguments magicka can make that just go back and forth. Maybe next time actually read the post and see the purpose for it before you attempt to derail it, thank you.Edited by templesus on October 10, 2017 7:12PM1 -
FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭I main a magicka Templar and just recently leveled my dormant stamina Templar, and I can see the Cleansing Ritual cost increase really hurting the stamina side of the class.
Aside from the criticism of the nonsensical cleanse cost increase, they should change Explosive Charge to a Stamina morph since nobody uses it as-is and stamina Templar could use more utility.0
