Would you like Perfect Asylum weapons to drop from Veteran difficulty, rather than only Veteran HM?

Vaoh

So here is how you acquire Asylum and Perfect Asylum weapons from Asylum Sanctorum:
- Defeating St. Olms by himself on Normal Difficulty will grant an Asylum weapon (Blue-quality)
- Defeating St. Olms by himself on Veteran Difficulty will grant an Asylum weapon (Purple-quality)
- Defeating St. Olms alongside St. Llothis and St. Felms in the same battle on Normal difficulty will grant an Asylum weapon (Blue-quality)
- Defeating St. Olms alongside St. Llothis and St. Felms in the same battle on Veteran difficulty will grant a Perfect Asylum weapon (Purple-quality , this is a Veteran HM completion)
- Placing on Weekly Leaderboards for Asylum Sanctorium will award you with a Perfect Asylum weapon

So regardless of whether you complete this trial on Normal or Veteran, your reward is pretty much the same. The only way to get a Perfect Asylum weapon is to place on Leaderboards, unless you are part of a raid team that can actually beat Veteran HM.

It seems extremely hard for people to get a Perfect Asylum weapon besides Leaderboard-based RNG. Definitely makes sense for the cosmetics (skin, rune box, etc) to require Veteran HM but I'd like to know if every agrees with these circumstances regarding Asylum and Perfect Asylum weapons. Do you like this?

Note: If Perfect Asylum weapons were made to drop from Veteran non-HM, really good groups would still want to run HM for the runebox/skin drops, so it would not take any incentive away from completing HM. As of now, Normal and Veteran mode provide the same loot.

MLGProPlayer

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

Depends on how hard HM is. If it's similar difficulty to HM in other trials, then it will be accessible to very few players.

Vaoh

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Depends on how hard HM is. If it's similar difficult to HM in other trials, then it will be accessible to very few players.

From what I have gathered so far regarding difficulty, it is just as hard (if not harder) to complete the Asylum on Hard Mode than other trials. It certainly isn't easier.

Metafae

Sounds perfectly fine.

Bad poll is bad, there is technically no option for saying should only drop from vet hm, and weekly rewards.
(Which is what it is on pts right now)

Gilvoth

we should be able to get perfect weapons from both modes and also from solo if want to

Vaoh

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

Metafae wrote: »

Bad poll is bad, there is technically no option for saying should only drop from vet hm, and weekly rewards.
(Which is what it is on pts right now)

Umm..... Yes there is. "Sounds perfectly fine" means you're fine with what's on PTS

bikerangelo

"Perfect" weapons aren't strong enough as it is. Drop them in normal for all I care, they're not even worth a HM clear. At least the skin is nice.

GaunterODim

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

Definetely agree with that. I think theres enough reward for doing the hardmode with the skin and the polymorph linked to that. Perfect weapons should drop from vet in general and imperfect weapons from normal.
Without better loot in Vet non-HM there would be no reason for me to run this over normal.

FakeFox

Sounds perfectly fine.

I like that it only drops from HM, in my opinion there should be a incentive in form of better gear for doing hard contend that only few players can beat. The games lacks this otherwise so I'm happy to see that maybe change a bit. However the difference in power shouldn't be a gamechanger and I think the difference of ~5 from normal to perfected is fair.

Mondini

wait, so I can get the 2H and destro from farming normal?

Erraln

Other

The non-Perfected versions have only moderately lower enchantment power... the largest gap is probably the Perf. Dualwield, as it grants an entire two ticks to three abilities vs the standard version. And you can farm normal to get these only slighty worse versions, right? It's not like they're at half strength.

Seems fine how it is.

Vaoh

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

Mondini wrote: »

wait, so I can get the 2H and destro from farming normal?

Yup!

Cage_Lizardman

Other

I don't care since the difference between the perfect and imperfect weapons is so small anyway.

I guess I'll never have a reason to do veteran, which is fine with me.

Saint_Bud

I like when the only drop from vet hm. Also the differant is so small from non perfect to perfect.

SaintSubwayy

Other

Since the difference between Perfected and imperfected weapons is so small I'd actually prefer the Imperfected to drop from vet only, and the perfected only vet HM

If they change imperfected to be more worse than they are now, or buff the perfected ones then maybe yes

Anne_Firehawk

Should stay as it is. Can't do vHM? Take the imperfected weapons.

DPShiro

Other

I think it's good that only Perfect ones drop from HM, and I also think that the imperfect ones should be toned down a lot (or simply not drop from normal at all)

Subversus

Sounds perfectly fine.

DPShiro wrote: »

I think it's good that only Perfect ones drop from HM, and I also think that the imperfect ones should be toned down a lot (or simply not drop from normal at all)

This.

Vaoh

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

Interesting viewpoints here glad there are more people than I thought who will enjoy this system.

Just seems odd that regular Veteran rewards are so underwhelming since Normal basically gives the same thing.

BigBadVolk

Sounds perfectly fine.

For me its fine, my only reason to do vet hm is to get the skin and maybe the polymorph

DeHei

Other

This weapons should drop in a solo arena like vMSA weapons too. You can work for your stuff on this way too. How much guys have a trialgroup and can farm this weapons? Under 1% of the TESO community.

It will be very important for DDs to have these weapons and so it should be easier to get them without having a trialgroup... Or the quality of the weapons should give the kind of effectiveness. It should be possible to get the best weapons just with imporving the quality from blue to purple (common to perfected)

altemriel

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

Vaoh wrote: »

So here is how you acquire Asylum and Perfect Asylum weapons from Asylum Sanctorum:
- Defeating St. Olms by himself on Normal Difficulty will grant an Asylum weapon (Blue-quality)
- Defeating St. Olms by himself on Veteran Difficulty will grant an Asylum weapon (Purple-quality)
- Defeating St. Olms alongside St. Llothis and St. Felms in the same battle on Normal difficulty will grant an Asylum weapon (Blue-quality)
- Defeating St. Olms alongside St. Llothis and St. Felms in the same battle on Veteran difficulty will grant a Perfect Asylum weapon (Purple-quality , this is a Veteran HM completion)
- Placing on Weekly Leaderboards for Asylum Sanctorium will award you with a Perfect Asylum weapon

So regardless of whether you complete this trial on Normal or Veteran, your reward is pretty much the same. The only way to get a Perfect Asylum weapon is to place on Leaderboards, unless you are part of a raid team that can actually beat Veteran HM.

It seems extremely hard for people to get a Perfect Asylum weapon besides Leaderboard-based RNG. Definitely makes sense for the cosmetics (skin, rune box, etc) to require Veteran HM but I'd like to know if every agrees with these circumstances regarding Asylum and Perfect Asylum weapons. Do you like this?

Note: If Perfect Asylum weapons were made to drop from Veteran non-HM, really good groups would still want to run HM for the runebox/skin drops, so it would not take any incentive away from completing HM. As of now, Normal and Veteran mode provide the same loot.

yes there should be a 50% chance of drop also from non-hard mode

ToRelax

Sounds perfectly fine.

DPShiro wrote: »

I think it's good that only Perfect ones drop from HM, and I also think that the imperfect ones should be toned down a lot (or simply not drop from normal at all)

No, thanks. The difference is so small exactly because the perfect weapons are intended to be accessible to only few players, at least for now. If you increase the difference then either imperfect weapons become useless, taking a big part of the reward from the majority who run the trial or the perfect weapons become OP. Neither makes any sense.

Make2k15

Perfect Asylum weapons should sometimes drop from Veteran non-HM

altemriel wrote: »

yes there should be a 50% chance of drop also from non-hard mode

That's way too high chance. With 50% chance one clear would drop 6 weapons on average to trade between group members which would mean that you would get the weapon type you want in couple runs. Though I would too think that it would be nice if it would have a chance to drop from non-hm too in the same manner as the vRoM and vCoS motifs can drop from non-hm. The drop rate should be way lower than 50% though something like 5% chance to get perfected Asylum weapon drop otherwise normal Asylum weapon. That would potentially make some interesting trading opportunities at trial

TBH I would have preferred to get new Maelstrom type arena with new BIS weapons instead of this though. Maybe there is some hope yet that we get some of that with the possible Murkmire end gameish dlc next year

Zer0oo

Other

It would be better if:

Normal Difficulty has a just chance to drop the Asylum weapons
veteran would be an 100% garanteed Asylum weapon with a low chance to get a Perfect Asylum weapon
HM you should have a 100% chance to get the Perfect Asylum weapon

That way it would be way more rewarding doing the vet mode instead of just mindlessly farming a normal mode trial(normal mode trial are way faster to farm than vet ones).

Izaki

Other

The rewards for Normal Asylum are way too good.

eso_nya

Other

Me: Dont care tbh.
Generally: The 1337-pro-uber ppl will be pissed enough that u can get a usefull weapon for running normal, no reason to trigger them more.

Izaki

Other

eso_nya wrote: »

Me: Dont care tbh.
Generally: The 1337-pro-uber ppl will be pissed enough that u can get a usefull weapon for running normal, no reason to trigger them more.

Getting the same reward from a Normal and a Veteran trial doesn't make any sense. The only difference is the quality of the item, which kinda laughable, because the item will end up being gold anyway.

Dasovaruilos

Perfect Asylum weapons should drop from Veteran non-HM

I think they could keep the Perfect ones dropping only from HM if they removed the drops from normal.

I think this is a terrible precedente, tbh.

End game is in a terrible state right now, at least on Xbox NA, with very few groups and players actually completing. You make the rewards from Vet the same as Normal, and only a handful will actually keep trying anything serious.

paulsimonps

Sounds perfectly fine.

So from what I have seen of Regular Veteran, I think a lot of groups will be able to do it without much problems, now there are expected buffs to some of the weaker parts of things and fixes for some broken stuff so we will see but I think its gonna be pretty ok to get vAS Olms+0 Down. So I think having Perfect Asylum weapons only dropping from Olms+2, aka vet HM is the way to do it, especially considering the difference between the two is not that large.

NBrookus

Sounds perfectly fine.

From what I'm hearing, normal is very accessible, veteran is fairly difficult... and this is the hardest hard mode in the game and they might make it harder since people are getting close to completion on PTS.

The difference between imperfect and perfect isn't huge. People who can complete HM deserve a reward.