Second major update since Morrowind... still no fix for warden class...

MLGProPlayer

We're about to have our second major update since Morrowind. Yet the warden class is as useless as ever in PvE.

Here is how many times warden appears in the top-100 on leader boards:

HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3

This is inexcusable. All the other classes are proportionally represented. People paid $40 for this garbage. How long do we have to wait before we can use it in endgame? Why isn't it being fixed with CWC?

The warden can't DPS (magicka spec deals 20% less damage than other magicka classes and has zero utility skills; stamina fairs better but is still outclassed by every other stamina class), and it's not good enough to heal/tank when compared to templar/DK.

MLGProPlayer

Bump

Alpheu5

But is it because Wardens are incapable of getting leaderboard scores, or because people on the leaderboards don't want to use Wardens to get their scores.

MLGProPlayer

Alpheu5 wrote: »

But is it because Wardens are incapable of getting leaderboard scores, or because people on the leaderboards don't want to use Wardens to get their scores.

If they were capable of the feat, people would use them. They're in a really bad spot right now. Their DPS is abysmal and they have no group utility skills to add (like templar, DK, and NB). This is the most varied role on leader boards and warden has no chance of ever being used in this role (20% less damage and no utility).

Their support potential is okay, but it still falls behind templar/DK.

MLGProPlayer

I just saw what sorcs are parsing with Asylum weapons.

FFS ZOS. Every class is ***, but warden of course falls even further behind.

Vaoh

Alpheu5 wrote: »

But is it because Wardens are incapable of getting leaderboard scores, or because people on the leaderboards don't want to use Wardens to get their scores.

As someone who is constantly on those leaderboards with #1 scores, I can tell you with confidence how horrible they are. So much needs to be done passively. I was beyond hyped to main Magicka Warden for PvE DPS but it is absolutely terrible rn. So bad I am not allowing myself to bring down my team by using a purposely weak class. We would much rather take a DK Healer over a Mag Warden DPS.

Warden DPS (sole point of concern) in particular is so bad it is impossible to stress. ZOS flat out give them a massive Damage Done passive boost because they saw how bad they were. If any other class got that passive they would become OP. Warden has this passive and is currently far beyond all other classes instead.

The only way to bring Warden up to par with almost zero changes would be to give them 100% Major Beserk uptime passively (30% damage done). They're THAT bad. Huge changes need to happen that'll probably be done over the course of next year

Faulgor

Vaoh wrote: »

The only way to bring Warden up to par with almost zero changes would be to give them 100% Major Beserk uptime passively (30% damage done). They're THAT bad. Huge changes need to happen that'll probably be done over the course of next year

Man. I really wanted to give some feedback how Warden DPS could be improved, but this is just too demotivating.
I mean, where to even begin.

I wish they would abandon this frost tanking nonsense for a start.

Gan Xing

I was also disappointed that there were no major changes except for a buff to a healing ability and a confusing "buff" to a teleport ability, both of which aren't used because there are better abilities to do the same thing.

STEVIL

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

We're about to have our second major update since Morrowind. Yet the warden class is as useless as ever in PvE.

Here is how many times warden appears in the top-100 on leader boards:

HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3

This is inexcusable. All the other classes are proportionally represented. People paid $40 for this garbage. How long do we have to wait before we can use it in endgame? Why isn't it being fixed with CWC?

The warden can't DPS (magicka spec deals 20% less damage than other magicka classes and has zero utility skills; stamina fairs better but is still outclassed by every other stamina class), and it's not good enough to heal/tank when compared to templar/DK.

Quick question just to make sure - is this top-100 the warden stats for any role or just the dps role?

MLGProPlayer

STEVIL wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

We're about to have our second major update since Morrowind. Yet the warden class is as useless as ever in PvE.

Here is how many times warden appears in the top-100 on leader boards:

HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3

This is inexcusable. All the other classes are proportionally represented. People paid $40 for this garbage. How long do we have to wait before we can use it in endgame? Why isn't it being fixed with CWC?

The warden can't DPS (magicka spec deals 20% less damage than other magicka classes and has zero utility skills; stamina fairs better but is still outclassed by every other stamina class), and it's not good enough to heal/tank when compared to templar/DK.

Quick question just to make sure - is this top-100 the warden stats for any role or just the dps role?

Any role.

That's what makes it so concerning. Although they make decent healers and tanks, they aren't better than templar and DK. And their DPS (especially magicka) isn't even close to competitive.

STEVIL

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

We're about to have our second major update since Morrowind. Yet the warden class is as useless as ever in PvE.

Here is how many times warden appears in the top-100 on leader boards:

HRC: 0
AA: 0
SO: 1
MoL: 0
HoF: 1
vDSA: 3

This is inexcusable. All the other classes are proportionally represented. People paid $40 for this garbage. How long do we have to wait before we can use it in endgame? Why isn't it being fixed with CWC?

The warden can't DPS (magicka spec deals 20% less damage than other magicka classes and has zero utility skills; stamina fairs better but is still outclassed by every other stamina class), and it's not good enough to heal/tank when compared to templar/DK.

Quick question just to make sure - is this top-100 the warden stats for any role or just the dps role?

Any role.

That's what makes it so concerning. Although they make decent healers and tanks, they aren't better than templar and DK. And their DPS (especially magicka) isn't even close to competitive.

gotcha, thanks.