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should you report someone who payed another player to do vet maelstrom for them?
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WTB Mocha Frappuccino. Need Crafter. Need Mats. Will Pay. Meet at Vivek Wayshrine.Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on September 15, 2017 6:06PM2 -
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.2 -
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.
I wish I had the time back I had spent on this stupid thread. /done0 -
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.
Considering it's not necessarily a violation on all platforms it really shouldn't be a violation on any.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
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✭Someone broke the rule? Just report them, you are not snitch, you are fulfilling your civic duty to prevent more rule breaking. Reporting person costs you max one minute, so what's the problem?PC/EU1 -
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.
Considering it's not necessarily a violation on all platforms it really shouldn't be a violation on any.
If this isn't a TOS violation, than Chinese Gold farmers and level grinders selling their services for irl money aren't against TOS either. It's exactly the same thing. This guy paid another person real money to provide the service of grinding his character through vMA.0 -
Spacemonkey✭✭✭✭✭The only valid argument here (and the only one that should matter) is the one that @Turelus keeps pointing out. It IS against the terms of service. period.
To those that make this into a morality issue on whether it should be reported or not, and not about just basic 'is it against the rules'. You need to cool down.
I will not believe for one second that you have never asked for help or received help or helped someone else in a video game. You could extend this to saying those that helped other clear harder quests in the game's early months was a form of cheating. Or that every person that 'sold' their characters service to help lowbies in the history of mmos are unethical pieces of trash. How is this different in terms of outcome than if that player's sibling, or spouse sat down for them and cleared it to help them out - or killed just a normal World Boss for them - or made Emperor (in which case they didn't with their own character). Would it all of a sudden be ethical/unethical?
It's not unethical or immoral to seek help or hire/buy help. It's a game. Whether its X account or Y account that beat W objective makes no difference to the game.
As I initially mentioned , the ONLY thing that matters are the terms of service. Ethical/Moral guilt accusations are pointless.3 -
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.
Considering it's not necessarily a violation on all platforms it really shouldn't be a violation on any.
If this isn't a TOS violation, than Chinese Gold farmers and level grinders selling their services for irl money aren't against TOS either. It's exactly the same thing. This guy paid another person real money to provide the service of grinding his character through vMA.
Sorry, real money wasn't specified in the OP, I assumed it was gold.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
The ESO xbox black market man is crazy they sell stuff I would never think of selling.A good chunk of it is ran by 1 person which is really insane.People been selling VMA runs on xbox for ages you can get someone to run VMA for you for as little as 9 $ up to 25$.This isn't even the worst thing you can pay for on xbox.
Right?
@Feanor you can't say this is cheating because 1/3 of the player base has PS4 share play which ZoS has already confirmed is a usable feature and not banable. Therefore, this is blatantly not cheating. Account sharing is still against TOS but something that's allowed on 1/3 of platforms can't be considered cheating on the other 2/3. That's like console players insisting addons are cheating because only PC has them.
Truth. I got asked before. When I said no I felt like the girl on Growing Pains who didn't do coke in the bathroom.
i get asked who does my vMA runs all the time, and when i say i do it myself im called a lier because apparently nobody can do vMA on all class/specs and i just laugh & laugh & laugh & laugh and then i laugh some more
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.
Considering it's not necessarily a violation on all platforms it really shouldn't be a violation on any.
If this isn't a TOS violation, than Chinese Gold farmers and level grinders selling their services for irl money aren't against TOS either. It's exactly the same thing. This guy paid another person real money to provide the service of grinding his character through vMA.
Sorry, real money wasn't specified in the OP, I assumed it was gold.
Wait...we're actually arguing about in-game gold? -_- Account-sharing aside, I feel like my replying to this thread was wasted time I'll never get back...fml0 -
Sordidfairytale✭✭✭✭✭Comparing vMA clears by other players who are not the owners of the account to animation cancelling. These forums never cease to amaze.
I didn't compare one to the other, I said that I have the same degree of concern for the two.The Vegemite Knight
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✭✭✭✭✭If it's in game gold and console via the share system (which is allowed), then eh I will sod off as nothing bad happened here.
As OP was wondering if they should report it I assumed this was RMT and real money had changed hands as well as someone logging into an account with account details.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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ESO has a very strange culture in this regard. It doesn't quite have the same community stance I have seen in other MMO games, whether this is because of the console play mindset here or just the different crowed ESO has pulled in.It's amazing how many people on here are ok with an - albeit mild - form of cheating. It's not surprising though given the fate most whistleblowers share in this world.
It's cause we mind our own *** businessBrodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.
Considering it's not necessarily a violation on all platforms it really shouldn't be a violation on any.
If this isn't a TOS violation, than Chinese Gold farmers and level grinders selling their services for irl money aren't against TOS either. It's exactly the same thing. This guy paid another person real money to provide the service of grinding his character through vMA.
Sorry, real money wasn't specified in the OP, I assumed it was gold.
Wait...we're actually arguing about in-game gold? -_- Account-sharing aside, I feel like my replying to this thread was wasted time I'll never get back...fml
The OP only used the term "payed", that usually implies real life money. Without clarification from @Infinite12 we won't know.0 -
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But it is our business, if cheating is happening within the game then it becomes the business of the community because many of us want to play on a level playing field and not turn a blind eye to cheating.DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »
It's cause we mind our own *** business
ESO has a very strange culture in this regard. It doesn't quite have the same community stance I have seen in other MMO games, whether this is because of the console play mindset here or just the different crowed ESO has pulled in.It's amazing how many people on here are ok with an - albeit mild - form of cheating. It's not surprising though given the fate most whistleblowers share in this world.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Lol, I personally don't care about the title, your words are wasted on me. My implied point is, a person who pays money for something so trivial and useless, yet requires skill to complete, is also the type of person who brags about things they never accomplished. Thus, a liar. A liar in one aspect of their life is usually a liar elsewhere. OP shouldn't feel guilt about reporting this scumball, even if nothing comes of it.
I'm just saying, I would focus my energy elsewhere.
Keep in mind, the most rare title in the game can only be bought with money, which is kind of why it is rare.
1 minute of energy it takes to type an email to ZOS. If you don't have 1 minute to spare in your day, you probably need to work on your time management skills.
Considering it's not necessarily a violation on all platforms it really shouldn't be a violation on any.
The last part is so true.
@Turelus can you address the disparity between the TOS and the fact that this particular part of the TOS is rendered void by a feature available on 1/3 of platforms and how, in fairness, it should technically be allowed on other platforms but is "disallowed" only to cover liability and because the company refuses to implement a safe way to do so(Im ok with this but point stands).
I see you parroting the same argument but nowhere has anyone confirmed this was a RMT, so outside of your rampant speculation I'm genuinely curious to you opinion of the situation.
Should someone be reported, and if so, should ZoS take action on them for account sharing? Knowing that it is 100% legal to use shareplay to account share on PS4 do you feel it is fair to take action against players on the other two platforms for account sharing?0 -
Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭No, you shouldn't report that person. The fact that you even think you need too, then come on a forum and ask! [Edit]
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lol nice, my sentiments exactly.I'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.0 -
Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭Shardan4968 wrote: »Someone broke the rule? Just report them, you are not snitch, you are fulfilling your civic duty to prevent more rule breaking. Reporting person costs you max one minute, so what's the problem?
That's incorrect, if you tell on someone, you are 100% indefinitely a snitch.I'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.0 -
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But it is our business, if cheating is happening within the game then it becomes the business of the community because many of us want to play on a level playing field and not turn a blind eye to cheating.DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »
It's cause we mind our own *** business
ESO has a very strange culture in this regard. It doesn't quite have the same community stance I have seen in other MMO games, whether this is because of the console play mindset here or just the different crowed ESO has pulled in.It's amazing how many people on here are ok with an - albeit mild - form of cheating. It's not surprising though given the fate most whistleblowers share in this world.
You need to change the "Community Ambassador" to "ZOS Advocate".0 -
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✭If someone reported me because I suck and a friend does my VMA for me I'd laugh at their sad sad little life. I mean really? Does that person have nothing better to do than worry about how I get my VMA completions lolPC NA - GreggsSausageRollXbox NA - CinnamonRoll2660 -
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just do the right thing
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✭✭✭✭✭The only place it would matter is for vMA Leaderboard drops ... but even then that's if you just missed the Leaderboard cutoff and it could be proved the player account owner cheated.0 -
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However they're also someone that cares about the game and its integrity.Shardan4968 wrote: »Someone broke the rule? Just report them, you are not snitch, you are fulfilling your civic duty to prevent more rule breaking. Reporting person costs you max one minute, so what's the problem?
That's incorrect, if you tell on someone, you are 100% indefinitely a snitch.
We already covered that in another thread.
But it is our business, if cheating is happening within the game then it becomes the business of the community because many of us want to play on a level playing field and not turn a blind eye to cheating.DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »
It's cause we mind our own *** business
ESO has a very strange culture in this regard. It doesn't quite have the same community stance I have seen in other MMO games, whether this is because of the console play mindset here or just the different crowed ESO has pulled in.It's amazing how many people on here are ok with an - albeit mild - form of cheating. It's not surprising though given the fate most whistleblowers share in this world.
You need to change the "Community Ambassador" to "ZOS Advocate".
It depends how you got it. If it was via RMT like many are suspecting then it is something many of us worry about.If someone reported me because I suck and a friend does my VMA for me I'd laugh at their sad sad little life. I mean really? Does that person have nothing better to do than worry about how I get my VMA completions lol
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✭Lol at people with their "rat" obsession, leave m-muh cheating alone you dang rat!
No I don't care if people get some cheesy cosmetics and titles from completions in this game, I just find this attitude absolutely hilarious. What's the percentage of this fanbase that are also convicted felons?
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✭✭✭KochDerDamonen wrote: »Lol at people with their "rat" obsession, leave m-muh cheating alone you dang rat!
No I don't care if people get some cheesy cosmetics and titles from completions in this game, I just find this attitude absolutely hilarious. What's the percentage of this fanbase that are also convicted felons?
I would be willing to bet those people would "snitch" in certain situations. Or maybe they're real gangsters that wouldn't call the police if say... their car was stolen, and just take it as a loss.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1
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