Infused or Divines on big body pieces?

Biro123

2 infused, 4 well fitted.(with a little stam recov)

Impen only helps when shields are down. Dodging can protect your shields when they are up, and you when they are down.

Morgul667

Infused

TheDoomsdayMonster

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Neither, Impen is what you should be looking for. Otherwise in Divines you are a glass cannon and you should only go infused if you are considering Hakeijo enchants.

I don't know why everyone are rooting for impen for Magsorc. My shields are 100% uptime, otherwise I would be dead, impen wouldn't help much neither.
And yes, I'm looking for a glass canon playstyle)

Because parrots. Rah! Impen is a must! Rah!

If you're a MagSorc or a MagPlar it's unnecessary.

100% agreed...

I run absolutely no Impen as well during PvP and I do very well...

Impen is not a must as long as you have a strong, well thought out, build...

TheDoomsdayMonster

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Don't forget that you can get crit resist from CP.

This is exactly what I do as well...

Yarlenzey

I use Training and Prosperous.
I try not use chat in dungeons as it spoils the Zen-apocalypse stuff.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Neither, Impen is what you should be looking for. Otherwise in Divines you are a glass cannon and you should only go infused if you are considering Hakeijo enchants.

I don't know why everyone are rooting for impen for Magsorc. My shields are 100% uptime, otherwise I would be dead, impen wouldn't help much neither.
And yes, I'm looking for a glass canon playstyle)

Because parrots. Rah! Impen is a must! Rah!

If you're a MagSorc or a MagPlar it's unnecessary.

You need no impen on a magplar? Explain that I'd like to hear that logic.

Lord-Otto

Your shields WILL go down at some point. If they were up at all times, that would mean no one would ever touch your health and be invincible. Clearly not the case or we had a serious balancing problem. Looking at the leaderboards, we don't.

Impen is a very strong trait in PvP and effects your combat more than Divines or similar. Unless you're a specialized ganker or have Impregnable and suchlike. About 5% less crit damage per piece is huge. So even with shields, some Impen makes sense.

You can, however, balance a bit more between gear and CP and sets. I am using Infused on big, Impen on small pieces. And a couple points in crit resist CP. I would recommend 1200-1600 crit resist in total for magsorc.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Neither, Impen is what you should be looking for. Otherwise in Divines you are a glass cannon and you should only go infused if you are considering Hakeijo enchants.

I don't know why everyone are rooting for impen for Magsorc. My shields are 100% uptime, otherwise I would be dead, impen wouldn't help much neither.
And yes, I'm looking for a glass canon playstyle)

Because parrots. Rah! Impen is a must! Rah!

If you're a MagSorc or a MagPlar it's unnecessary.

You need no impen on a magplar? Explain that I'd like to hear that logic.

Step 1: Equip as much magic as humanly possible.
Step 2: Slot the instant burst heal and your shield on the same button.

The ONLY time someone is critting me hard enough to insta kill me is when I am AFK or straight up not paying attention. If I'm actually playing it's usually like this ...

SMASH! (Breath of life)
CC! (Immovable pot or mist form)
SMASH! (BoL, Harness Magicka)
Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.
Then they are out of resources and my super huge Templar magic pool still has a good 10 to 20k left. At which point it's a Soul Assault into a Radiant Oppression and 80% of people get melted. If you survive you'll either hide or you're one of the small percentage of people who can at which point I'm popping an invis potion and hiding.

Oddly, getting wrecking blow spammed a year ago (possibly BY YOU haha) lead to this play style. It's not for everyone but it totally works.

Jurand80

if you have 3k shields left and get hit by an 8k crit the remainder of the dmg will crit on you. so 6 impen and 1 well fitted for good measure. i started running prismatic on all pieces. you get 192 more stat points on a small piece. you're not going to burst anyone with the first combo anyway. prismatics add survivability for me.

Joy_Division

Chelister wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Neither, Impen is what you should be looking for. Otherwise in Divines you are a glass cannon and you should only go infused if you are considering Hakeijo enchants.

I don't know why everyone are rooting for impen for Magsorc. My shields are 100% uptime, otherwise I would be dead. The only part where impen would help is when my shields are down, it's 2/3 seconds deal, I wouldn't want to sacrifice 7 trait for those 2/3 seconds. I'm more of a risk taker
And yes, I'm looking for a glass canon playstyle)

Your shields are not up 100% uptime unless you literally never die. I look back in amazement at the damage I pull off in my combat log from a bad race sustain oriented templar against sorcs.

If you are a risk-taker and and fine acknowledging that, that's fine, but don't come on these forums arguing that sorcerers are defenseless without their shields because that is a conscious choice that you and many other sorcerers willingly take, not a justification that shields need to be OP.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Jurand80 wrote: »

if you have 3k shields left and get hit by an 8k crit the remainder of the dmg will crit on you. so 6 impen and 1 well fitted for good measure. i started running prismatic on all pieces. you get 192 more stat points on a small piece. you're not going to burst anyone with the first combo anyway. prismatics add survivability for me.

My shield is between 8.5 and 9k after the 50% battle spirit reduction. I believe it costs me just north of 4.1k to cast (could be wrong, not in front of it), which means I can cast 13 consecutive shields at 53k Magicka before I run out.

In most situations after 6 total casts of my shield or my heal the other person stops attacking as they are out of resources. I generally have half a tank left.

cpuScientist

Joy_Division wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Neither, Impen is what you should be looking for. Otherwise in Divines you are a glass cannon and you should only go infused if you are considering Hakeijo enchants.

I don't know why everyone are rooting for impen for Magsorc. My shields are 100% uptime, otherwise I would be dead. The only part where impen would help is when my shields are down, it's 2/3 seconds deal, I wouldn't want to sacrifice 7 trait for those 2/3 seconds. I'm more of a risk taker
And yes, I'm looking for a glass canon playstyle)

Your shields are not up 100% uptime unless you literally never die. I look back in amazement at the damage I pull off in my combat log from a bad race sustain oriented templar against sorcs.

If you are a risk-taker and and fine acknowledging that, that's fine, but don't come on these forums arguing that sorcerers are defenseless without their shields because that is a conscious choice that you and many other sorcerers willingly take, not a justification that shields need to be OP.

I agree with this. Many sorcs act like they are dead without shields. But then build complete glass cannons. 4 impen 3 infused goes a long way.

For every class I suggest 4 impen, and 3 if your other defense mechanic. Sturdy DK well fitted Nightblade and the such...

Chelister

Joy_Division wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Neither, Impen is what you should be looking for. Otherwise in Divines you are a glass cannon and you should only go infused if you are considering Hakeijo enchants.

I don't know why everyone are rooting for impen for Magsorc. My shields are 100% uptime, otherwise I would be dead. The only part where impen would help is when my shields are down, it's 2/3 seconds deal, I wouldn't want to sacrifice 7 trait for those 2/3 seconds. I'm more of a risk taker
And yes, I'm looking for a glass canon playstyle)

Your shields are not up 100% uptime unless you literally never die. I look back in amazement at the damage I pull off in my combat log from a bad race sustain oriented templar against sorcs.

If you are a risk-taker and and fine acknowledging that, that's fine, but don't come on these forums arguing that sorcerers are defenseless without their shields because that is a conscious choice that you and many other sorcerers willingly take, not a justification that shields need to be OP.

"but don't come on these forums arguing". You don't say this to people expressing their view. What was the point of this? That I shouldn't come here stating my opinion about something that is not in accordance with yours?

For most Sorcerers shields are a mandatory part of their build and without them I believe Sorc is the most vulnerable class in the game. Impen will surely help you survive the burst when shields are down, but that will make you lose a bit of your burst by sacrificing divines and infused.
What I meant is that for my ‘glass canon’ playstyle I see no point in putting impen, as I will fully rely on my shields, bearing in mind that I’m going for full burst potential

And yes, I still believe MagSorcs are most vulnerable without shields. Given that it is such an important part for the class, utilizing it incorrectly will result in you being uncompetitive in PVP.

Mag and Stam DKs, Mag Templars, StamSorcs(some) all are in heavy armour and have self-heals. StamNbs and StamPlars also have hots and burst heals. MagSorcs on the other hand, don’t have such strong heals, but thus have shields, that’s why they are such a must. I’m not complaining in any sense, just stating a fact, I believe MagSorcs are extremely powerful in PVP

Subversus

This guy has no clue, lol. No impen sorcs are so easy, especially since they're dw with 0 sustain sets. No wonder you're cp 570 aka new to the game

FriedEggSandwich

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Chelister wrote: »

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Neither, Impen is what you should be looking for. Otherwise in Divines you are a glass cannon and you should only go infused if you are considering Hakeijo enchants.

I don't know why everyone are rooting for impen for Magsorc. My shields are 100% uptime, otherwise I would be dead. The only part where impen would help is when my shields are down, it's 2/3 seconds deal, I wouldn't want to sacrifice 7 trait for those 2/3 seconds. I'm more of a risk taker
And yes, I'm looking for a glass canon playstyle)

All due respect, but I don't believe you.

It's really not that hard. You just hit a button every 5-6 seconds.

It would have to be every 4-5s; every 6s would result in downtime. So you're saying there's nothing that can stop you casting every 5s on the dot? What campaign do you play on pls? I want that freedom.

Izaki

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

OP is using Infernal, so they are using shields for sure. Traits boil down to preference. If I had the money I would go tri gylphs on big pieces infused. As a sorc you need the extra health/stamina.

I'm not a fan of Spinners, and don't understand why you're running War Maiden on a class that gets more benefits from Lightning Magic(cept Frag).

Because Frags and Curse which are the two key components of your burst are Magic damage. So no, you don't benefit more from Lightning Damage (you'd be only buffing Endless Fury and Streak with that).

Izaki

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

also, you're duel wield? How do you sustain under a by pressure at all?

Its way easier to sustain on a DW Sorc, since you don't have a spammable. Your magicka is basically only used for defense.

Biro123

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

also, you're duel wield? How do you sustain under a by pressure at all?

Its way easier to sustain on a DW Sorc, since you don't have a spammable. Your magicka is basically only used for defense.

True that. Every time I look to switch to destro, I get horrified by the amount of damage stats I end up having to lose to sustain it - and go back to DW!

Lord_Wrath

Its not practical to have shields up 100% of the time, its possible but annoying af. Let alone people can still easily burst through.