My First Stamina DPS ever! Gotta get use to it...or being better or give up :)

Insandros

Greetings all....

So ever since the game came out, i'Ve been playing Magicka toons.. only melee i ever had, was my tank, and even him was magicka bases... but haven't touched that poor guy since Morrowind...

My main was a Magicka Sorc which i'Ve been playing for soo long... at ta point i decided to create other classes... when Morrowind came out, i made a Dedicated Warden Healer and one DPS, my DPS warden became my favorite and i mostly play that one since.... But yesterday, since my sorc cumulate dust and i have tons of vMA melee/stam weapons.. i decided to convert him... so made a Stamina Sorc.... Ever since i'Ve read Stam build are the most top dps.... but here's the thing.... i totaly suck with hum... i can barely make more than 22k, self buffed on my little guy dummy... versus my Magicka Warden which is supposed to be the worste, i do about 27k, no ultis used... ok my warden has 3 IA blue jewls giving him Minor SLayer... as my stam has no yet, trial things...

I've read/watch build.. most skills setup comes almost to al the same point, only gear differs a bit, but mostly all close together, as for CPS, i'Ve been testing my own stuff, and different build found on the net...

As for my gear, all purple, exept my front bar 1h axe and 1x dagger and back bar bow...

2x Stormfist (infused med shoulders and wellfited i thinl, heavy helmet, so far it's the traits i got)
5x Spriggan (2x divines armor 3x bleu jewls)
5x Hunding'S Revenge (3x dicines armor and 1x sharp dagger with poison enchant and 1x Sharp Axe with weapon dmg enchant)
1x Back bar vMA sharp bow

I don't think my not upgraded gear makes that much a diff or the few bad traits on monster sets, caltrops still ain't morphed, dual wield and bow skill line still at 44 or so, still haven't unlocked last passives so i still aswell don't have Bow's ultimate, using Fighter Guild ultimate.... i try peoples rotation with what i have yet, but can'T get to that... i just suck, but at stam way much more....


This is basicly what all stuff looks like
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=25438
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=25438



I presume i should delete the toon or convert him as waterboy to carry potions, i'd be more useful or better at it.

Onefrkncrzypope

Nah man Stam is love. I presume you are running the HA build like most stam? 1. Sharpened has been dropped off of bars. percise/percise or precise/infused. since you are not a kitty cat you might run precise/precise. 2. all damage glyphs on your jewelry. 3. If you are going dummy try Night mother. you will have to ask if the other stams are running NM then put on Hunding's if that's the case. 4. Rearming trap not lightweight. 5. warrior mundus. 6. Bi Stat food all attributes into Stam. I think this should help get you better numbers.

also always test with pierce.

Insandros

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Nah man Stam is love. I presume you are running the HA build like most stam? 1. Sharpened has been dropped off of bars. percise/percise or precise/infused. since you are not a kitty cat you might run precise/precise. 2. all damage glyphs on your jewelry. 3. If you are going dummy try Night mother. you will have to ask if the other stams are running NM then put on Hunding's if that's the case. 4. Rearming trap not lightweight. 5. warrior mundus. 6. Bi Stat food all attributes into Stam. I think this should help get you better numbers.

also always test with pierce.

Thanks for the reply...

Yep i do once or twice HA once in a while.. as for traits, so far i don'T do well organised trials, mostly solo or 4 men pledges, so since i don't get all breaching buffs, i use stuff with pen, which at the end gives me better result than having a few more dmg stuff don't breaching through... when i'll get in serious trials or organisesd stuff i'll drop more sharprn and lover mundus... so so far my testing are done alone and thinling what i personaly will sure have... since in pledges lots of tanks you get are thinking at dpsing as well so not getting much armor piercing stuff to others... i'll keep trying stuff around though.. after all, it's only my second day playing a stam toon, still getting have to deal with this habbit as well of getting out the bosses clsoes attacks I might ask my friend to make me a NMG to try out instead of the Hunding's

Onefrkncrzypope

Insandros wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Nah man Stam is love. I presume you are running the HA build like most stam? 1. Sharpened has been dropped off of bars. percise/percise or precise/infused. since you are not a kitty cat you might run precise/precise. 2. all damage glyphs on your jewelry. 3. If you are going dummy try Night mother. you will have to ask if the other stams are running NM then put on Hunding's if that's the case. 4. Rearming trap not lightweight. 5. warrior mundus. 6. Bi Stat food all attributes into Stam. I think this should help get you better numbers.

also always test with pierce.

Thanks for the reply...

Yep i do once or twice HA once in a while.. as for traits, so far i don'T do well organised trials, mostly solo or 4 men pledges, so since i don't get all breaching buffs, i use stuff with pen, which at the end gives me better result than having a few more dmg stuff don't breaching through... when i'll get in serious trials or organisesd stuff i'll drop more sharprn and lover mundus... so so far my testing are done alone and thinling what i personaly will sure have... since in pledges lots of tanks you get are thinking at dpsing as well so not getting much armor piercing stuff to others... i'll keep trying stuff around though.. after all, it's only my second day playing a stam toon, still getting have to deal with this habbit as well of getting out the bosses clsoes attacks I might ask my friend to make me a NMG to try out instead of the Hunding's

If in Dungeons most def run NM. With that and spriggans you won't need sharp weapons. your rotation should go(Just example not perfect): hurricane la rearming trap(need this morph) la inject la caltrops la hail swap Ha rend Ha dagger Ha cloak la hurricane repeat. If you use an ulti drop a HA.

Insandros

@Onefrkncrzypope

Well, here i am now, bow and dual wield skill lines all leveled up to 50, all passives, all skilled morphed.. came up with a proper rotation, some CP fool around... tested a lot between Spriggan+NMG or Sprrigan+Hunding's, lover, thief or warrior mundus combinatiosn with those sets etc... so far for my purpuse, lover came up the best as mundus, as for gear, Spriggan+Hundings.. *** as 1 dagger+1 axe, 2 daggers, 2 axes... so far 2 axes came up the best, Twin Blade and Blunt does massive dmg from the CP setups i made and does affect as well a lot Shrouded daggers, with rapid strikes i do way less.. as for weapon traits, tested as well combinations between sharp, infused and precise... so far what came up better is
Sharp axe as main hand, infused axe as off-hand and sharpened bow... with finaly Bow ultimate morphed... So, basicly now, i went from 22k steady to 28-29k steady finishing him with about 29-33k... i'm still though not sure on using Kra'gh or Ironfist... both still needs better traits, ironfist so far has infused+well fited and Krag has Divine and wellfited... so that might help eventualy... tiny but still... as for gear, lots of purple gear, Spriggan i cannot find purple jewls, so stats used are from blue set... that might help a well later.. but my plan is to replace Spriggan with either Vicious Serpent (Ophidian) or Twice Fanged Serpent to get Minor Slayer... so i'm finaly going somehwhere now... not top end game players, but a bit above average


Thanks again for the replies man...

Vaoh

Get yourself a ton of Stamina Recovery and then find a target dummy to practice your rotation.

Rotation is everything. Who cares how much damage you're doing to the target dummy if you don't even have the rotation down yet! Just keep on practicing the rotation and understand where you can safely Heavy Attack/apply buffs without breaking the rotation. Having great recovery makes practice much easier. Simply practice Stam DPS.

Once you get the rotation down well, put some real gear on your character. This is how I learned to DPS *perfectly* on my Stam Sorc with very little to no prior experience in one day. I equipped recovery gear and then practiced Stam DPS for like 20min until I got it. Very easy in my experience so I'm sure you'll get it too.

Vaoh

Also practice the rotation in parts. There are two parts to basically every rotation.

Part 1 includes applying your DoTs: Poison Injection, Rearming Trap, Endless Hail, Caltrops
Part 2 includes keeping up buffs, heavy attacking, and spammable DPS: Flurry, Twin Slashes, Hurricane, Blade Cloak, etc

Insandros

Vaoh wrote: »

Also practice the rotation in parts. There are two parts to basically every rotation.

Part 1 includes applying your DoTs: Poison Injection, Rearming Trap, Endless Hail, Caltrops
Part 2 includes keeping up buffs, heavy attacking, and spammable DPS: Flurry, Twin Slashes, Hurricane, Blade Cloak, etc

@Vaoh
Thanks for the reply man.

yep it's all cleared now, made up my own rotation fitting the way i play etc let's say i did lots of testings, i read a bit on net, watch videos, but i love testing my own stuff after i understand the point of stuff etc.. i don't like copy cat stuff, anwyays when i do, i always do crap result, versus my own stuff, cuz other people's playstyle, not necessarly means i am comfortable with it..

Sustain is not an issue anymore, at all, i can now use 2 stats food, no more 3 stats with a regen on stam, 17.2k health at almost 42k stam, not that bad...the longest part is to figure that out, now it's done, i got my rotation pin down, etc... so now it's gonna even be better in dungeon since i wont be looking at my skills etc... so basicly now it's all fin, got my stuff done for single and aoe situations, solo or group... now it's basicly a matter of getting better gear. My first concern was the fact ididn't better my other magicka build, so now i do, i ffeel better If i can pull 30k solo, self buff with some crap gear and i see videos of people doing 32-35k with way better gear and all upgraded, i feel better than when i started with 22k, as i said i'm new to melee class, so that is a huge adjustment as well as i was used to attack from distance, avoiding easier mechanics, not following mobs, boss etc.. that, doe a huge difference in adjisting, but, while i went to grind skill xps and skill lines, that made me getting use a lot to dual wield and using bow, as i went double bared bows to level it faster... after a few days or week i'll get it pin down versys magicka toons i'Ve bene playing since game launched.

NyassaV

I personally use 5 pc Vicious Ophidian, 5 pc Spriggians, 1 hand vMA dagger and one axe, and a vMA bow on back bar. Stam sorc solo Parses generally aren't as impressive because of the lack of Penetration.

Takes-No-Prisoner

If you are not in one already, look into joining a guild that does Vet Trials. The 3 group leaders that run vet trials for the guild I'm in are always down to offer a bit of training and advice to members who seek it.

While I mainly PvP, I do read guild chat when they discuss different build sets ups, or if they offer advice about how certain rotations work. They also have folks who will group with you so you can get different gear buffs(ie: Worm, SPC, etc.) while doing your rotation on a house dummy. Which is very helpful and simulates close to the environment you get when you run in a trial which I think is really important.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Stamina rotation is a lot harder than magicka. Work on that.

Onefrkncrzypope

Insandros wrote: »

@Onefrkncrzypope

Well, here i am now, bow and dual wield skill lines all leveled up to 50, all passives, all skilled morphed.. came up with a proper rotation, some CP fool around... tested a lot between Spriggan+NMG or Sprrigan+Hunding's, lover, thief or warrior mundus combinatiosn with those sets etc... so far for my purpuse, lover came up the best as mundus, as for gear, Spriggan+Hundings.. *** as 1 dagger+1 axe, 2 daggers, 2 axes... so far 2 axes came up the best, Twin Blade and Blunt does massive dmg from the CP setups i made and does affect as well a lot Shrouded daggers, with rapid strikes i do way less.. as for weapon traits, tested as well combinations between sharp, infused and precise... so far what came up better is
Sharp axe as main hand, infused axe as off-hand and sharpened bow... with finaly Bow ultimate morphed... So, basicly now, i went from 22k steady to 28-29k steady finishing him with about 29-33k... i'm still though not sure on using Kra'gh or Ironfist... both still needs better traits, ironfist so far has infused+well fited and Krag has Divine and wellfited... so that might help eventualy... tiny but still... as for gear, lots of purple gear, Spriggan i cannot find purple jewls, so stats used are from blue set... that might help a well later.. but my plan is to replace Spriggan with either Vicious Serpent (Ophidian) or Twice Fanged Serpent to get Minor Slayer... so i'm finaly going somehwhere now... not top end game players, but a bit above average


Thanks again for the replies man... [/quote

Insandros wrote: »

@Onefrkncrzypope

Well, here i am now, bow and dual wield skill lines all leveled up to 50, all passives, all skilled morphed.. came up with a proper rotation, some CP fool around... tested a lot between Spriggan+NMG or Sprrigan+Hunding's, lover, thief or warrior mundus combinatiosn with those sets etc... so far for my purpuse, lover came up the best as mundus, as for gear, Spriggan+Hundings.. *** as 1 dagger+1 axe, 2 daggers, 2 axes... so far 2 axes came up the best, Twin Blade and Blunt does massive dmg from the CP setups i made and does affect as well a lot Shrouded daggers, with rapid strikes i do way less.. as for weapon traits, tested as well combinations between sharp, infused and precise... so far what came up better is
Sharp axe as main hand, infused axe as off-hand and sharpened bow... with finaly Bow ultimate morphed... So, basicly now, i went from 22k steady to 28-29k steady finishing him with about 29-33k... i'm still though not sure on using Kra'gh or Ironfist... both still needs better traits, ironfist so far has infused+well fited and Krag has Divine and wellfited... so that might help eventualy... tiny but still... as for gear, lots of purple gear, Spriggan i cannot find purple jewls, so stats used are from blue set... that might help a well later.. but my plan is to replace Spriggan with either Vicious Serpent (Ophidian) or Twice Fanged Serpent to get Minor Slayer... so i'm finaly going somehwhere now... not top end game players, but a bit above average


Thanks again for the replies man...

Happy to help.

Insandros

@Hollery

Hollery wrote: »

I personally use 5 pc Vicious Ophidian, 5 pc Spriggians, 1 hand vMA dagger and one axe, and a vMA bow on back bar. Stam sorc solo Parses generally aren't as impressive because of the lack of Penetration.

lol yeahi aim for that, but stupid as i can get, i always deconded or sold any possible stam stuff i got, sine i usualy don't play melee toons, so all vicious ophidian or twice fanged serpent i found, well, it's gone... stupid me.. same goes for monster set's helmet or shoulders... you can bet i regret now.

As for solo parse, you'Re right, since last tried i made was 29k or so, and went after with my usual friend run vet Arx Cornium pledge, finished boss with a 34k... nothing huge but still my best done so far.

I thought about using as well 1hands vMA instead of moster set.. i started a few days ago as this cuz i had no other gear.. haven'T tried yet since all skills are leveled and got my gears.

I just asked a friend to make me the 2 pieces missing to take off monster set to try using 5x Hunding and 5x Spriggan to sue vma axes, even though i don't use rapid strikes, i get better reseult with my setting using shrouded daggers, but we'll see with that new setup and using vma axes, maybe rapid strikes will be better

Insandros

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

If you are not in one already, look into joining a guild that does Vet Trials. The 3 group leaders that run vet trials for the guild I'm in are always down to offer a bit of training and advice to members who seek it.

While I mainly PvP, I do read guild chat when they discuss different build sets ups, or if they offer advice about how certain rotations work. They also have folks who will group with you so you can get different gear buffs(ie: Worm, SPC, etc.) while doing your rotation on a house dummy. Which is very helpful and simulates close to the environment you get when you run in a trial which I think is really important.

@Takes-No-Prisoner

Yep i joined one last week, but i'm shy to start doign vet trials, i'm issing self confidence... only did normal trials....

Insandros

@Onefrkncrzypope

Changed a morph, now steady 30-31k... and now i decided to give a try to vMA with this toon... was a pain in magicka, so far way better at stam, we'll see sorc was supposed to be the esiest class to do it, but is the one i had more issues with, go figure... so far so good in stam, only did 3 first stages others will go later, gotta get back to work, the joy of freelancing from home, ESO break time once in a while lol

Insandros

Well after a few days with this new sucker... i can tell i felt in love with this toon, it's like learning a new game... this was my main toon i created on game lauch, playes all magicka toons, even my tank was magicka.... and now converting him as stam was a great idea, i love it a lot, had to get used to be in clsoe combat of mobs, but went good, not knowing all stuff around, i'm relax, avoid stuff, get back in postions etc... really love it... my DPs is not top stam build, since i came up with my own CP allocation recipe, none i found on the net gave me better reseult has to how i play or whatever... made a few gear ca=hanges since i created him.. does a not bad dps, still way better than my magicka toons...

Made a few changes on gear, i did lots of testings, with difrent trait and weapon combinations on both Hunding's Revenge and Night mother's Gaze... so now my choice is made with all the result i had on my side and playstyle....Tried 4 different mundus, Lover, thjief, Shadow and Warrior...

5x Twice-Fanged Serpent (3 bleu jewls and 2 purple armor pieces, 1x infused 1x divine, all jewls have legendary weapon dmg enchant)

5x Hunding's Revenge (3x legendary armor pieces, all divines, Infused Dagger with poison enchant on main-hand, Precise Axe with weapon dmg enchant on off-hand, both legendary)

2x Kra'gh (both divines, legendary and medium, head piece has a health enchant on them to give me 17+ health, StormFist seemed to give me worste results each time i tested it)

1x Legendary precise vMA staff on back bar

Warrior mundus stone

Food used now is max health and stam (was using at first tri-stats with the stam regen)

I'm using Shrouded Daggers, not Rapid Strikes....

So as i said far from being top notch but it does the job for now and way better than it was when i created it... I'm still happy when i do normal pug trials and get about 20-30% on boss fights... i know i'm doing not thaaaaaat bad... acceptable


Here's a parse of my 3 tests i did on the Robust 6 mil HP dummy... All 3 tests are self buffed, no ones arround..
First round was raw dmg and buffs, so no ultimates used and no potions at all... Second test is using ultimates only still no potions of any kinds, and third test is using ultimates and Weapon Crit Potions... not that bad, won't delete the toon yet lol. Let's just say i'm a bit less disapointed then a few days ago...

RAW Damages:
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Ultimates Only:
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Ultimates and Weapon Crit Potions:
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EDIT: Sorry for the french UI