KingYogi415 wrote: »Look at this magplar video by the same player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gSCVrUFrp0
It looks like he has around 50k magic. I have never seen stats even close to this for a magplar.
Im the last person to call exploits because it is on console. But how is he the only person in the game that can pull off those kind of stats?
RazorCaltrops wrote: »[murdomac101 wrote: »Is it possible to get close to the builds in this video in non cp?
They will protect their builds more than a parent would protect their newborn child, don´t expect it anytime soon.
It's too late. Everybody and their grandmas know this is seventh legion + malubeth + werewolf hide.
RazorCaltrops wrote: »[murdomac101 wrote: »Is it possible to get close to the builds in this video in non cp?
They will protect their builds more than a parent would protect their newborn child, don´t expect it anytime soon.
It's too late. Everybody and their grandmas know this is seventh legion + malubeth + werewolf hide.
Hmm, might be true, even though these people will still deny that they´re using that setup. Also heard that there´re are some sort of 7th Legion "exloit"/bug where you can have the 5th piece bonus a while only wearing 4 pieces. Not sure how it´s done though. My guess is that there´s some unique item out there that´s bugged or something.....
KingYogi415 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I permablock on my Magden.
It's actually really easy to do, in CP.
My build has the maths, and @paulsimonps has all the equations on his threads.
Fury + Permablock is great against a high number of unorganized players. They maximize the up time without applying any real pressure.
Here's a clue, a bleed build would eat this build in a second
If this is "so easy" where are your 1vx videos?
RazorCaltrops wrote: »RazorCaltrops wrote: »[murdomac101 wrote: »Is it possible to get close to the builds in this video in non cp?
They will protect their builds more than a parent would protect their newborn child, don´t expect it anytime soon.
It's too late. Everybody and their grandmas know this is seventh legion + malubeth + werewolf hide.
Hmm, might be true, even though these people will still deny that they´re using that setup. Also heard that there´re are some sort of 7th Legion "exloit"/bug where you can have the 5th piece bonus a while only wearing 4 pieces. Not sure how it´s done though. My guess is that there´s some unique item out there that´s bugged or something.....
You don't need any buggy stuff to make it work, It's all about stacking reduce block cost via CP + sturdy etc. and sustaining with battle roar while lingering health + Malubeth (same Major Vitality buff yes, but more uptime) + draconic power passive from Volatile Armor (%12 healing recieved) do the healing.
For Shuffle not being used and Forward Momentum instead of Rally: who needs shuffle when the snare immunity it grants is based on medium armor pieces you wear (0.5 seconds for each piece, Forward Momentum granting a flat 8 seconds at Rank IV) + major evasion being counterproductive with all 3 sets that require you to take damage ?
Champion System
Befoul: Fixed an issue where this passive would increase the effects of healing bonuses.
Quite literally ran into one in the sewers. PC NA. He was a DC ganking in the AD side. He basically pestered a group of five of us and picked off one person who wanted to fight him. It's a good build- but completely ignorable. I was on my mDK Argonian saptank... so he couldn't hurt me, either. We ended up just leaving him to gank other PUGs.
I wish we had a bleed build to test out @Waffennacht 's claim. Sorry, bud. I'll try to arrange it next time.
KingYogi415 wrote: »Look at this magplar video by the same player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gSCVrUFrp0
It looks like he has around 50k magic. I have never seen stats even close to this for a magplar.
Im the last person to call exploits because it is on console. But how is he the only person in the game that can pull off those kind of stats?
emperor bonus maybe but on second thought nevermind I seen who it was in the video and wouldn't doubt if there might be an exploit happening said player was banned before is what I heard for people saying they was exploiting but was unbanned according to their youtube
Hey, I am posting this although I can imagine that many players already know of it's existence, yet only few know how to do it. Furthermore this post is directed to the developer, as a hint to a possible problem and not intended to be a cry/rage thread. The recent changes to blocking (reducing it to 0.25s)clearly indicate, that Zenimax does not want people to be unkillable via perma blocking or tanking entire zergs, which is the only reason why I created this post.
Please have a look at those two videos:
things get interesting @:0:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3n4F1O6Jy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YLm720oKo
To the guys who created them: thanks for not sharing those builds, they would CLEARLY ruin the game if becoming meta.
As both videos prove, it is still easily possible to outtank whole zergs and dish out heavy damage afterwards. Those kind of builds simply destroy pvp, as they are ridiculously overpowered by doing something that the developer, as stated above, probably does not want people to do.
Also heavy armor magicka templars are still close to being unkillable in pvp, despite the recent nerfs.
Please have a look at it and adjust mechanics accordingly.
Hey, I am posting this although I can imagine that many players already know of it's existence, yet only few know how to do it. Furthermore this post is directed to the developer, as a hint to a possible problem and not intended to be a cry/rage thread. The recent changes to blocking (reducing it to 0.25s)clearly indicate, that Zenimax does not want people to be unkillable via perma blocking or tanking entire zergs, which is the only reason why I created this post.
Please have a look at those two videos:
things get interesting @:0:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3n4F1O6Jy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YLm720oKo
To the guys who created them: thanks for not sharing those builds, they would CLEARLY ruin the game if becoming meta.
As both videos prove, it is still easily possible to outtank whole zergs and dish out heavy damage afterwards. Those kind of builds simply destroy pvp, as they are ridiculously overpowered by doing something that the developer, as stated above, probably does not want people to do.
Also heavy armor magicka templars are still close to being unkillable in pvp, despite the recent nerfs.
Please have a look at it and adjust mechanics accordingly.
I dont get why pepole take examples from Console platforms...
Most of the players there have no clue what they are doing.
Stam DK got rekt this patch, stop this non-sense T_T
I agree that sturdy need a slight nerf, but the thing is, all this players didnt use a single CC on the dk, so ya, ez to tank.
Hey, I am posting this although I can imagine that many players already know of it's existence, yet only few know how to do it. Furthermore this post is directed to the developer, as a hint to a possible problem and not intended to be a cry/rage thread. The recent changes to blocking (reducing it to 0.25s)clearly indicate, that Zenimax does not want people to be unkillable via perma blocking or tanking entire zergs, which is the only reason why I created this post.
Please have a look at those two videos:
things get interesting @:0:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3n4F1O6Jy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YLm720oKo
To the guys who created them: thanks for not sharing those builds, they would CLEARLY ruin the game if becoming meta.
As both videos prove, it is still easily possible to outtank whole zergs and dish out heavy damage afterwards. Those kind of builds simply destroy pvp, as they are ridiculously overpowered by doing something that the developer, as stated above, probably does not want people to do.
Also heavy armor magicka templars are still close to being unkillable in pvp, despite the recent nerfs.
Please have a look at it and adjust mechanics accordingly.
I dont get why pepole take examples from Console platforms...
Most of the players there have no clue what they are doing.
Stam DK got rekt this patch, stop this non-sense T_T
I agree that sturdy need a slight nerf, but the thing is, all this players didnt use a single CC on the dk, so ya, ez to tank.
KingYogi415 wrote: »You watch him eat a tri food after it is traded to him then his front bar magic go from 47k to 48k.
KingYogi415 wrote: »You watch him eat a tri food after it is traded to him then his front bar magic go from 47k to 48k.
Or you know, Mage light plus Mages Guild passives.
For people wondering about the stats, my magplar has 35k magicka with only 1 max magicka bonus in purple glyphs.
Try shackle breaker and a set with 1 or 2 max magicka bonuses and I'm sure you can build a heavy mag class with ~45k magicka.
What would be a good magicka counter to the permablockers? I see that bleed builds can burn through them. Someone earlier suggested the Destro Ultimate- but I'm not sure how that will compare.
Perhaps 5 Elf Bane, 5 Silks of the Sun, 2 Grothgarr/Valkyn?
Edit: The reason I'm saying Elf Bane (I know it's not as poplar) is because it adds two seconds onto the Destro Ultimate... which is being buffed by Silks.
Brutusmax1mus wrote: »My mag sorc in shackle/ amber only has 35k. No mages or undaunted passives though. Still not sure why its so low but i do fine.
RazorCaltrops wrote: »Hey, I am posting this although I can imagine that many players already know of it's existence, yet only few know how to do it. Furthermore this post is directed to the developer, as a hint to a possible problem and not intended to be a cry/rage thread. The recent changes to blocking (reducing it to 0.25s)clearly indicate, that Zenimax does not want people to be unkillable via perma blocking or tanking entire zergs, which is the only reason why I created this post.
Please have a look at those two videos:
things get interesting @:0:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3n4F1O6Jy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YLm720oKo
To the guys who created them: thanks for not sharing those builds, they would CLEARLY ruin the game if becoming meta.
As both videos prove, it is still easily possible to outtank whole zergs and dish out heavy damage afterwards. Those kind of builds simply destroy pvp, as they are ridiculously overpowered by doing something that the developer, as stated above, probably does not want people to do.
Also heavy armor magicka templars are still close to being unkillable in pvp, despite the recent nerfs.
Please have a look at it and adjust mechanics accordingly.
I dont get why pepole take examples from Console platforms...
Most of the players there have no clue what they are doing.
Stam DK got rekt this patch, stop this non-sense T_T
I agree that sturdy need a slight nerf, but the thing is, all this players didnt use a single CC on the dk, so ya, ez to tank.
Well that's the point of these videos. Regardless of platform, it's all potatoes and you can't think about doing it against even half-decent players.
Console argument is so 2015.
Sturdy, CP campaign with investment in Shadow ward, stack up block cost reduction glyphs, use sets to compensate for missing weapon damage, use either Malubeth or Bloodspawn. the 5p sets matter a bit, but they are flexible.
Stam DKs happen to be good with Battle roar / helping hands since they return stamina while blocking - same for stam wardens to an extent, but any class can permablock with ease.
Difference would be that a magicka DK can permablock AND kill people at the same time a lot easier since Morrowind.
It takes literally 5mn to learn how to make this kind of build. Do your theorycrafting people.
I have done it and minimum blocking cost, calculated the way you suggested, would be ~400 (dont have the actual numbers). 400 every .25 seconds is 1600 per second. In no way can you sustain block that way, even not as a dk.
you have the wrong calculation method, you can reduce block cost to 82 every .25 second making it easy to sustain with helping Hands
I think @Asmael made a post where he Shows how cost reduction works
Where do ppl get this formula? Because the official one, posted a year ago, is totally different (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/265399/detailed-explanation-of-block-cost-changes)
skills being additive with glyphs being applied before skills and stury there is no way to get it that low - so question is, which formula is the correct one?
((2160*cp)-glyphs)*(additive skills))*sturdy
OR some nicer format:
(2160 * (1-shadow ward) - enchant cost reduction) * (1-sturdy) * (1-every other buff)
Asmael uses a formula that has been posted by Woeler (can't find it anymore on his website):
( 2160 ( 1 - Shadow Ward ) ( 1 - Sturdy ) ( 1 - passives ) - enchants ) ( 1 - abilities )
If enchant cost is applied in the end, then of course you can reduce your block costs to a ridiculous amount, but I hardly doubt that formula is correct! Actually there is only one option here: Test it yourself, but I am too poor to gold out 7 sturdy items, so if somebody could test it, it would be great!
= (2160*0.75)-60
= 1011 * skillsandpassives*sturdy (with skills being fortress[36%],bracing[20%],Def stance [8%] - you could add another 10% for dk, but let's keep it general)
= 1011 * 0.46 * 32
= 316Sure, sufficient dots + heal reduce wreck this build, but what solo players meet that condition? It's just the same point as sorcs saying that shield breaker tanks can kill them.Waffennacht wrote: »(...)
Here's a clue, a bleed build would eat this build in a second
Waffennacht wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I permablock on my Magden.
It's actually really easy to do, in CP.
My build has the maths, and @paulsimonps has all the equations on his threads.
Fury + Permablock is great against a high number of unorganized players. They maximize the up time without applying any real pressure.
Here's a clue, a bleed build would eat this build in a second
If this is "so easy" where are your 1vx videos?
Look at my guides etc
Quite literally ran into one in the sewers. PC NA. He was a DC ganking in the AD side. He basically pestered a group of five of us and picked off one person who wanted to fight him. It's a good build- but completely ignorable. I was on my mDK Argonian saptank... so he couldn't hurt me, either. We ended up just leaving him to gank other PUGs.
I wish we had a bleed build to test out @Waffennacht 's claim. Sorry, bud. I'll try to arrange it next time.
Waffennacht wrote: »Damn it @lexxypwns just tell em all how to kill my permablocker build...
Good thing I have a new one
RazorCaltrops wrote: »[murdomac101 wrote: »Is it possible to get close to the builds in this video in non cp?
They will protect their builds more than a parent would protect their newborn child, don´t expect it anytime soon.
It's too late. Everybody and their grandmas know this is seventh legion + malubeth + werewolf hide.
Hmm, might be true, even though these people will still deny that they´re using that setup. Also heard that there´re are some sort of 7th Legion "exloit"/bug where you can have the 5th piece bonus a while only wearing 4 pieces. Not sure how it´s done though. My guess is that there´s some unique item out there that´s bugged or something.....