A counter criticism of 1vxers

generalmyrick

zergs are bad, zergs this, zergs that....blah blah blah ;-)

Small group porponents (1vxer elitists!) who like to 1vx are just folks who can cheese (take advantage of mechanics) the best and dislike that NUMBERS > Abuse of Mechanics. In its own way, zerging has risen to counter the fact that 1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

Consider the progression;

• 1 guy running circles around a tree has got the attention of random casual player going to attack a castle.
• casual player peels from group to get murdered by the 1vxer.
• casaul player calls for help (it starts!)
• 1vxer wins again and continues to win until...
• the call for help reaches such proportion that the 1vxer is finally killed...
• And so mad that they come to the forums complaining about (insert skill here) and that it needs to be nerfed and zerglings are skill-less potatoes. (not realizing they were superior in skill and experience and mechanic knowledge in the first place...but its not enough, they need MORE power to dominate.)
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     well, whatcha think?

Osteos

Ignore them

Waffennacht

Mur. I think Mur. I agree and disagree with things

Ackwalan

Pick up bow, pick up poison, pick up AP. Wait for tears.

IcyDeadPeople

generalmyrick wrote: »

1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

If somebody can do all that, yes I imagine they might beat 10 players

Xvorg

Ackwalan wrote: »

Pick up bow, pick up poison, pick up AP. Wait for tears.

especially when they whine about being zerged...

Saint314Louis1985

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

If somebody can do all that, yes I imagine they might beat 10 players

you havent heard of the sorcplardragonblade class?

Wreuntzylla

The "meta" also exploits holes in ZoS' scheme, and the result is that there are very few options if you want to remain competitive. It's a side effect of ESO being completely changed at least once a year and balance patches that go way overboard.

In any event, there is a solid argument for balancing under an imperfect balance scheme. I'll see if I can find the video of the guy explaining the philosophy. ZoS uses a rock/paper/scisors version, ostensibly because it's much easier to make changes. If you are being 1vx'd, and you want to obliterate that player, find the rock to their scissors. One thing I can give ZoS positive credit for is a continuous effort to have a counter for everything.

I am more interested in ZoS addressing cheating than legitimate exploitation of mechanics.

Danksta

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

If somebody can do all that, yes I imagine they might beat 10 players

you havent heard of the sorcplardragonblade class?

I have, I call them resource tower guards though.

IlCanis_LupuslI

You forgot the Part where 12 pPeople chase 1 guy from Brk to alessia and after 10 min Chase and 5 min running around a tree spamming healing ults kill him and the lowest guy of the group tbaggs coz he feels so strong in a group only to get nuked 5 min later when he goes away from the zerg(and tbagged back naturally )

Ferrofluid

My main criticism of most "1vXers" is that they seem to think that rolling around trees and rocks while not actually killing anything makes you "pro"

Yakidafi

generalmyrick wrote: »

In its own way, zerging has risen to counter...

No they have been here from day one check some early YouTube videos, angry Joe should still have one up atleast of what I know.

I play bg, so do not have the rage built up to complain about zergs that much anymore

wahoozie

I think I'm lost on the point of this thread

Mojomonkeyman

generalmyrick wrote: »

zergs are bad, zergs this, zergs that....blah blah blah ;-)

Small group porponents (1vxer elitists!) who like to 1vx are just folks who can cheese (take advantage of mechanics) the best and dislike that NUMBERS > Abuse of Mechanics. In its own way, zerging has risen to counter the fact that 1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

Consider the progression;

• 1 guy running circles around a tree has got the attention of random casual player going to attack a castle.
• casual player peels from group to get murdered by the 1vxer.
• casaul player calls for help (it starts!)
• 1vxer wins again and continues to win until...
• the call for help reaches such proportion that the 1vxer is finally killed...
• And so mad that they come to the forums complaining about (insert skill here) and that it needs to be nerfed and zerglings are skill-less potatoes. (not realizing they were superior in skill and experience and mechanic knowledge in the first place...but its not enough, they need MORE power to dominate.)
• 1. 
     
     well, whatcha think?

Has it ever occured to you that most solo players would never label themselves as 1vXers but are just seasoned PvPers who like to roam solo? Why putting people in categories? This whole "us" (poor casual butterflies) versus "them" (angry sociopathic 1vXers) thingy is something you create in your mind to feel better... about what? Wouldn't it be far more interesting and revealing to do some research on your own behavior and why you feel the need to react that way? Pretty sure you would be pretty chill about that issue afterwards.

I am pretty casual, too. But no matter how bad I was I would always choose to go solo over grouping up, because the process of becoming a better player is the most fun for me in gaming and grouping up is not helping in that regard. It is a fact though, that 90% of the people rolling in bigger groups (at least on my server PC EU) don't even try to go out there solo, take the losses, learn from it and finally become a better player.

Thats what makes a potato a potato - the unwillingness to learn how to pvp, instead compensating with numbers and still pointing fingers, labeling people - desperately trying to blame someone for never being brave enough to discover their own pvp capabilities.

generalmyrick

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

zergs are bad, zergs this, zergs that....blah blah blah ;-)

Small group porponents (1vxer elitists!) who like to 1vx are just folks who can cheese (take advantage of mechanics) the best and dislike that NUMBERS > Abuse of Mechanics. In its own way, zerging has risen to counter the fact that 1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

Consider the progression;

• 1 guy running circles around a tree has got the attention of random casual player going to attack a castle.
• casual player peels from group to get murdered by the 1vxer.
• casaul player calls for help (it starts!)
• 1vxer wins again and continues to win until...
• the call for help reaches such proportion that the 1vxer is finally killed...
• And so mad that they come to the forums complaining about (insert skill here) and that it needs to be nerfed and zerglings are skill-less potatoes. (not realizing they were superior in skill and experience and mechanic knowledge in the first place...but its not enough, they need MORE power to dominate.)
• 1. 
     
     well, whatcha think?

Has it ever occured to you that most solo players would never label themselves as 1vXers but are just seasoned PvPers who like to roam solo? Why putting people in categories? This whole "us" (poor casual butterflies) versus "them" (angry sociopathic 1vXers) thingy is something you create in your mind to feel better... about what? Wouldn't it be far more interesting and revealing to do some research on your own behavior and why you feel the need to react that way? Pretty sure you would be pretty chill about that issue afterwards.

I am pretty casual, too. But no matter how bad I was I would always choose to go solo over grouping up, because the process of becoming a better player is the most fun for me in gaming and grouping up is not helping in that regard. It is a fact though, that 90% of the people rolling in bigger groups (at least on my server PC EU) don't even try to go out there solo, take the losses, learn from it and finally become a better player.

Thats what makes a potato a potato - the unwillingness to learn how to pvp, instead compensating with numbers and still pointing fingers, labeling people - desperately trying to blame someone for never being brave enough to discover their own pvp capabilities.

why you mad? you seem to be making a lot of assumptions---like assuming what i said applied to you....unless it did cut you..

badmojo

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Why putting people in categories? This whole "us" (poor casual butterflies) versus "them" (angry sociopathic 1vXers) thingy is something you create in your mind to feel better... about what?

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

It is a fact though, that 90% of the people rolling in bigger groups (at least on my server PC EU) don't even try to go out there solo, take the losses, learn from it and finally become a better player.

Thats what makes a potato a potato - the unwillingness to learn how to pvp, instead compensating with numbers and still pointing fingers, labeling people - desperately trying to blame someone for never being brave enough to discover their own pvp capabilities.

Hypocrisy much? Being upset about being generalized while generalizing about other players.



There are plenty of 1vXer elitist players, they are the ones who run into a tower instead of fighting on a resource flag, they run around, and around, and around, and they only stop to fight when someone shows weakness. Which would be fine, if the game was team deathmatch and kills actually helped your alliance win the war, but that's not the game we play. It's like they're racing cars down a street, and notice another car pulling ahead so they abruptly pull a hard right and then say the turn was always part of the race. No, it wasn't, you saw failure looming and decided to take the cowards way out rather than simply losing. At least that's the way I view those players when I see them on the battlefield wasting everyone's time.

Also, fighting in a zerg is not simply a face roll like so many comments would have you believe. Sure, if all you want to do is survive and get free AP, then you could certainly just follow the pack and do nothing.... but enough people doing that will wipe a zerg quickly. At the end of the day a zerg is a big ball of AP for the enemy zerg, the weaker team always gets exposed. For a zerg to be successful against other zergs, at least some of them have to be playing with skill.

s7732425ub17_ESO

1vXing aka "PVTree" or "PVRock".

FENGRUSH

Where is the counter-criticism ??

WhiteMage

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

The "meta" also exploits holes in ZoS' scheme, and the result is that there are very few options if you want to remain competitive. It's a side effect of ESO being completely changed at least once a year and balance patches that go way overboard.

In any event, there is a solid argument for balancing under an imperfect balance scheme. I'll see if I can find the video of the guy explaining the philosophy. ZoS uses a rock/paper/scisors version, ostensibly because it's much easier to make changes. If you are being 1vx'd, and you want to obliterate that player, find the rock to their scissors. One thing I can give ZoS positive credit for is a continuous effort to have a counter for everything.

I am more interested in ZoS addressing cheating than legitimate exploitation of mechanics.

I believe you are completely wrong in the bolded portion, and then further wrong about the entire paragraph it lies in. ZOS does not use rps balancing, and zergs>1vXers>casuals does not constitute a rps situation.

Also, @badmojo standing and fighting in an outnumbered situation is a good way to get yourself killed.

badmojo

Getting killed is often the best way to get to where your fighting will make a difference. While you are running laps around a rock with 10 amature players the skilled ones are taking your stuff.

generalmyrick

my bad...got too wordy, i think i meant "a counter to the criticism."

WhiteMage

badmojo wrote: »

Getting killed is often the best way to get to where your fighting will make a difference. While you are running laps around a rock with 10 amature players the skilled ones are taking your stuff.

On the other hand, that's 10 other players that aren't doing anything productive either.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Has it ever occured to you that most solo players would never label themselves as 1vXers but are just seasoned PvPers who like to roam solo? Why putting people in categories? This whole "us" (poor casual butterflies) versus "them" (angry sociopathic 1vXers) thingy is something you create in your mind to feel better... about what? Wouldn't it be far more interesting and revealing to do some research on your own behavior and why you feel the need to react that way? Pretty sure you would be pretty chill about that issue afterwards.

I am pretty casual, too. But no matter how bad I was I would always choose to go solo over grouping up, because the process of becoming a better player is the most fun for me in gaming and grouping up is not helping in that regard. It is a fact though, that 90% of the people rolling in bigger groups (at least on my server PC EU) don't even try to go out there solo, take the losses, learn from it and finally become a better player.

Thats what makes a potato a potato - the unwillingness to learn how to pvp, instead compensating with numbers and still pointing fingers, labeling people - desperately trying to blame someone for never being brave enough to discover their own pvp capabilities.

Nice post, i'm pretty sure most of the good pvp players agree with this aswell.


Small group porponents (1vxer elitists!) who like to 1vx are just folks who can cheese (take advantage of mechanics) the best and dislike that NUMBERS > Abuse of Mechanics. In its own way, zerging has risen to counter the fact that 1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.




I shouldnt even comment on this tbh... but i'll do it anyways. If you hold those opinions then you're in all likelyhood not a very able player...

It is people like you and those who agree with you who have destroyed pvp and made ESO a less skilled game.

Voxicity

I always find it funny that the 'top players' complain about zerging

I mean, PvP in this game is literally designed FOR zerging

Some people really should find a different game to play if they want a fair 1v1 match, but that won't happen because anyone who plays ESO at the 'top end' are as you said, just people who abuse broken mechanics and builds.

generalmyrick

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Has it ever occured to you that most solo players would never label themselves as 1vXers but are just seasoned PvPers who like to roam solo? Why putting people in categories? This whole "us" (poor casual butterflies) versus "them" (angry sociopathic 1vXers) thingy is something you create in your mind to feel better... about what? Wouldn't it be far more interesting and revealing to do some research on your own behavior and why you feel the need to react that way? Pretty sure you would be pretty chill about that issue afterwards.

I am pretty casual, too. But no matter how bad I was I would always choose to go solo over grouping up, because the process of becoming a better player is the most fun for me in gaming and grouping up is not helping in that regard. It is a fact though, that 90% of the people rolling in bigger groups (at least on my server PC EU) don't even try to go out there solo, take the losses, learn from it and finally become a better player.

Thats what makes a potato a potato - the unwillingness to learn how to pvp, instead compensating with numbers and still pointing fingers, labeling people - desperately trying to blame someone for never being brave enough to discover their own pvp capabilities.

Nice post, i'm pretty sure most of the good pvp players agree with this aswell.


Small group porponents (1vxer elitists!) who like to 1vx are just folks who can cheese (take advantage of mechanics) the best and dislike that NUMBERS > Abuse of Mechanics. In its own way, zerging has risen to counter the fact that 1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.




I shouldnt even comment on this tbh... but i'll do it anyways. If you hold those opinions then you're in all likelyhood not a very able player...

It is people like you and those who agree with you who have destroyed pvp and made ESO a less skilled game.

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But you didn't know all the ways I loved you, no
So you took a chance, made other plans
But I bet you didn't think that they would come crashing down, no
You don't have to say, what you did
I already know, I found out from him
Now there's just no chance
With you and me
There'll never be
Don't it make you sad about it?
You told me you love me
Why did you leave me all alone
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me on the phone
Girl I refuse
You must have me confused with some other guy
The bridges were burned
Now it's your turn, to cry
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generalmyrick

my feelings are hurt by your flaming of me, i'm sad... ;-(

MercyKilling

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

legitimate exploitation of mechanics.

There is no such thing. Exploitation is the very definition of cheating.

ku5h

I actually think small scalers are biggest crybabies. Groups of 4-8 TSed players run around and basicly Xv1ing ppl 1 by 1, but when group double their size comes and wipes them, they cry zergers. IMO small scalers have biggest delusions of grandeur, but in reality they are mostly fighting with advantage over oponents.

generalmyrick

my post sound like i don't like good players. far from it.

I WISH WE COULD ALL JUST

---appreciate tactics and their applications and history without the whole "MINES BIGGER THAN YOURS" crap. :-)

WaltherCarraway

generalmyrick wrote: »

1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

I want to roll this class I mean like seriously.

#sorcdragonplarblade

Brutusmax1mus

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

1 shield stacking, talon spamming, spear chucking, mass hysteria casting can beat 10 casual players.

If somebody can do all that, yes I imagine they might beat 10 players

you havent heard of the sorcplardragonblade class?

I thought he was talking about the nightplar sorcknight..