The Undocumented Changes and Fixes in Update 15

code65536

These are just some of the fixes/changes that I've noticed in the HotR update that were not documented in the Patch Notes.

1. Hoarvors in the catacombs in Cradle of Shadows will once again chase players past the doors. (This fixes a bug introduced in Morrowind that made the catacomb phase of the Velidreth fight much easier.)
2. The final chest in vMA and vDSA will now drop a weapon belonging to one of the sets in that arena, in addition to Master/Maelstrom weapons. (Prior to this change, the only way to get, say, a Destruction Mastery staff was to run nDSA, and weapons belonging to Maelstrom sets like Winterborn were not obtainable.)
3. Environmental damage used to be treated as damage that you did to yourself, which meant standing in Lava could trigger Grothdarr or the Ilambris fire proc. It was also possible to proc Bloodspawn and Lord Warden using Equilibrium. These were fixed. (Gina's comment here)
4. The adds in the Ozara fight in Sanctum Ophidia will no longer chase players out of Ozara's room. (It's strange that they choose to fix this cheese a year after kiting out the adds had become the most common strategy for handling the Ozara adds.)

What other undocumented intentional fixes/changes have people noticed this week? (Please don't include bugs, since those are not intentional changes. Use the Bug Reports forum for that.)

Qbiken

2.The final chest in vMA and vDSA will now drop a weapon belonging to one of the sets in that arena, in addition to Master/Maelstrom weapons. (Prior to this change, the only way to get, say, a Destruction Mastery staff was to run nDSA, and weapons belonging to Maelstrom sets like Winterborn were not obtainable.)

It´s a nice change indeed. To bad purple rings still doesn´t drop. Did normal Maelstrom the other day to see how the drops work there. From last chest you´ll get a jewelpiece and a weapon (but in blue quality).

@ZOS_GinaBruno It´s nice to see that the devs listen to suggestions, but why can´t we still have purple rings dropping from vMA? Make it so that the reward chest from stage 7 in vMA have a guaranteed change of a necklace, and the reward chest from stage 8 a guaranteed change of a ring. At the moment there´s no way to get your hands on purple quality rings from the sets that drop in maelstrom arena.

While I´m at it, it would be nice to see sets like winterborn, huntleader etc to drop in Impenetrable and sturdy.

@code65536 I´m still confused why this wasn´t mentioned in the patchnotes. I was happily surprised when I saw it after doing my first vMA run after HotR patch (Looking for that winterborn Icestaff )

Tasear

Fixed incorrect scaling on powered staves for twlight remedy. 28k ever 10 secs was overpowering barrier skill... you knew something was off.

Snugpod has some odd thing on the wall. It's not the hid of past guest... I hope.

One piece monster helms got buffed, unlike will power and company.

Can't use invisible pots in new dungeons... :'(

Destruent

vHoF: 4th Boss now oneshots tanks after 5 seconds instead of 10 seconds when you need to change aggro (tbh i don't know if intended or bug, but that's how it works atm)

edit: should be fixed with todays patch

Vaoh

I haven't run vMA since like.... Homestead. Hearing there are now weapons for the vMA sets sounds amazing though!

Anyway it's too bad that this feature has arrived like 15 months late. No way I or anyone else I know will farm vMA for this stuff.

Lord_Eomer

Qbiken wrote: »

2.The final chest in vMA and vDSA will now drop a weapon belonging to one of the sets in that arena, in addition to Master/Maelstrom weapons. (Prior to this change, the only way to get, say, a Destruction Mastery staff was to run nDSA, and weapons belonging to Maelstrom sets like Winterborn were not obtainable.)

It´s a nice change indeed. To bad purple rings still doesn´t drop. Did normal Maelstrom the other day to see how the drops work there. From last chest you´ll get a jewelpiece and a weapon (but in blue quality).

@ZOS_GinaBruno It´s nice to see that the devs listen to suggestions, but why can´t we still have purple rings dropping from vMA? Make it so that the reward chest from stage 7 in vMA have a guaranteed change of a necklace, and the reward chest from stage 8 a guaranteed change of a ring. At the moment there´s no way to get your hands on purple quality rings from the sets that drop in maelstrom arena.

While I´m at it, it would be nice to see sets like winterborn, huntleader etc to drop in Impenetrable and sturdy.

@code65536 I´m still confused why this wasn´t mentioned in the patchnotes. I was happily surprised when I saw it after doing my first vMA run after HotR patch (Looking for that winterborn Icestaff )

None of VMA or VDSA set worth, Footman & healer habbit used to be good but now just junk.

Destruction mastery only is lil better but many other good sets are available comparing this.

Winterborn is also a junk set, as you can get higher dps by dropling this set.

These sets needs good buff to have some use!

code65536

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno There is no mention of the Conduit Strike stun going through block in today's patch notes.

So either this is an unintended change, in which case, I hope to see the fix soon.

Or if this is an intended change, it was not documented in last week's patch notes and significant changes to the mechanics of a trial must be properly documented and noted.

Pick one of the above and please do it.

Vaoh

code65536 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno There is no mention of the Conduit Strike stun going through block in today's patch notes.

So either this is an unintended change, in which case, I hope to see the fix soon.

Or if this is an intended change, it was not documented in last week's patch notes and significant changes to the mechanics of a trial must be properly documented and noted.

Pick one of the above and please do it.

Is Conduit Strike the growing AoE created by Capacitors that explodes and then pushes out tiny AoEs which all stun players? If so... well I really don't look forward to it.

Masel

Vaoh wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno There is no mention of the Conduit Strike stun going through block in today's patch notes.

So either this is an unintended change, in which case, I hope to see the fix soon.

Or if this is an intended change, it was not documented in last week's patch notes and significant changes to the mechanics of a trial must be properly documented and noted.

Pick one of the above and please do it.

Is Conduit Strike the growing AoE created by Capacitors that explodes and then pushes out tiny AoEs which all stun players? If so... well I really don't look for to it.

Oh this sounds like it will make that fight even more fun than it is... If this is true.

Vaoh

Masel92 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno There is no mention of the Conduit Strike stun going through block in today's patch notes.

So either this is an unintended change, in which case, I hope to see the fix soon.

Or if this is an intended change, it was not documented in last week's patch notes and significant changes to the mechanics of a trial must be properly documented and noted.

Pick one of the above and please do it.

Is Conduit Strike the growing AoE created by Capacitors that explodes and then pushes out tiny AoEs which all stun players? If so... well I really don't look for to it.

Oh this sounds like it will make that fight even more fun than it is... If this is true.

I don't memorize the names of every attack but it sounds like it's that one in particular

So few groups can even complete vHoF and now something like this gets changed? It has to be a bug. No way ZOS intentionally did this.

Zer0oo

code65536 wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno There is no mention of the Conduit Strike stun going through block in today's patch notes.

So either this is an unintended change, in which case, I hope to see the fix soon.

Or if this is an intended change, it was not documented in last week's patch notes and significant changes to the mechanics of a trial must be properly documented and noted.

Pick one of the above and please do it.

Even more fun since the stun animation doesn't go off, you will get cced though block but don't see the stunned animation.

ZOS_Finn

An Update on Conduit Strike/Draining Shock. This should once again be blockable in a future incremental update.

RoyJade

Qbiken wrote: »

It´s a nice change indeed. To bad purple rings still doesn´t drop. Did normal Maelstrom the other day to see how the drops work there. From last chest you´ll get a jewelpiece and a weapon (but in blue quality).

I'm pretty sure I've got a purple jewelry on the 7th or 8th round on vMA last time. Never on the last one, but the rounds just before seem to give them.
At least I have a full set of purple jewelries for pretty all MA set, and I've begun the vMA farm fest after the guaranteed MA weapons on the last chest.

DRXHarbinger

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

An Update on Conduit Strike/Draining Shock. This should once again be blockable in a future incremental update.

Wouldn't it have been better to have done this during yesterdays monster patch maintenance? At present it's pretty damn hard like this. Causes people to rage quit.

Koolio

They changed how lich procs in with no patch note. However this was in morrowind.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347960/lich-set-is-bugged#latest

birch44

@ZOS_Finn We cleared vHoF last night and had 2 wipes in final boss execute specifically due to the conduit strike bug. It's one thing when you can move to avoid the mechanics but, when you are essentially locked down to burn, you don't have a choice. Pray to rngesus that theu dont hit the healers.

Also I noticed that break free didn't seem to be functioning very well. It could have just been us though.

code65536

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

An Update on Conduit Strike/Draining Shock. This should once again be blockable in a future incremental update.

Thank you!

Grabmoore

Thanks for this thread. Im so glad they fixed ozara cheese.

code65536

RoyJade wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

It´s a nice change indeed. To bad purple rings still doesn´t drop. Did normal Maelstrom the other day to see how the drops work there. From last chest you´ll get a jewelpiece and a weapon (but in blue quality).

I'm pretty sure I've got a purple jewelry on the 7th or 8th round on vMA last time. Never on the last one, but the rounds just before seem to give them.
At least I have a full set of purple jewelries for pretty all MA set, and I've begun the vMA farm fest after the guaranteed MA weapons on the last chest.

But were they rings? Necks drop for me all the time, but I don't think I've seen a ring outside of weekly reward mails for quite some time.

Sixsixsix161

I don't know if this was a fix, or a result of something else being fixed/changed.

After Morrowind was released, while playing with a pet (Clannfear, Bear), I noticed when you gave your pet the attack command (Press the Y key and left click on the enemy), the enemy would run toward you about half the distance. So, by the time your pet got there, the enemy was almost within melee range (not always, but that was enough).

And this was very bad if you're fighting a group, let's say 4 enemies, because your pet would meet one enemy halfway, the other three would keep running towards the player and you just became a melee character.

I noticed last night that now my pet makes it almost all the way to the enemy before they react, so once again we're at least ranged characters.

Whether on purpose or accidental, thank you for changing this back the way it was.

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Dreyloch

I don't do much PvE, but I have notcied some small buffs to gear sets too. Like Rattlecage got an extra magic damage stat on wearing 5 pieces. There have been other sets too. Typically magic or weapon damage added to last trait.

GaunterODim

code65536 wrote: »

But were they rings? Necks drop for me all the time, but I don't think I've seen a ring outside of weekly reward mails for quite some time.

I definitely got a golden ring once in a msa weekly reward. Pretty sure its winterborn, but with healthy trait on it. Still kept it because of gold winterborn. But this happened some time ago, now i usually get a weapon + a piece of useless armor in the weekly reward.

code65536

GaunterODim wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

But were they rings? Necks drop for me all the time, but I don't think I've seen a ring outside of weekly reward mails for quite some time.

I definitely got a golden ring once in a msa weekly reward. Pretty sure its winterborn, but with healthy trait on it. Still kept it because of gold winterborn. But this happened some time ago, now i usually get a weapon + a piece of useless armor in the weekly reward.

Yes, they do drop from weeklies. I said, "I don't think I've seen a ring outside of weekly reward mails for quite some time." In recent months, I've only seen necks drop from the chests in the arena itself.

NotNormanBates

You get gold jewelry from the vMA leaderboards.
EDIT: sorry didn't read further before posting

theamazingx

Dreyloch wrote: »

I don't do much PvE, but I have notcied some small buffs to gear sets too. Like Rattlecage got an extra magic damage stat on wearing 5 pieces. There have been other sets too. Typically magic or weapon damage added to last trait.

That bonus already existed on Rattlecage.

s7732425ub17_ESO

They need to rebalance the Ozara fight. They've been tweaking other stuff, and it's about time they tweaked this as well. No point in keeping groups from completing this content because of a super-poorly designed add mechanic.

kojou

Grabmoore wrote: »

Thanks for this thread. Im so glad they fixed ozara cheese.

Why? You enjoy dealing with Trolls and Overchargers while you are pinned?

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

They need to rebalance the Ozara fight. They've been tweaking other stuff, and it's about time they tweaked this as well. No point in keeping groups from completing this content because of a super-poorly designed add mechanic.

I agree... the way you are "supposed" to do this fight is not particularly fun. The few people that were doing VSO will probably stop now.

If they slowed down the timer for the adds it would at least be bearable.

code65536

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

They need to rebalance the Ozara fight. They've been tweaking other stuff, and it's about time they tweaked this as well. No point in keeping groups from completing this content because of a super-poorly designed add mechanic.

When vSO was first rescaled last year, you had to take the adds out of the room because the pin mechanic was just too punishing at the time. By the time they nerfed the pin mechanic a few months later, kiting the adds out was no longer necessary, but everyone did it anyway because that had become the established standard.

So they did rebalance Ozara, by nerfing the pins last year. When we did Ozara last week, we held Ozara near where the Overcharger spawned and cleaved the Overcharger down whenever it spawned.

The OT held the other adds right around the corner, in that vestibule near the entry door. The fight didn't seem any more difficult than before, and there are some counterbalancing advantages, like the OT receiving boss loot and things being more recoverable than before if the OT were to go down.

SquareSausage

Ozara is a pig to deafeat now

Waseem

SquareSausage wrote: »

Ozara is a pig to deafeat now

keep distance during fight, try to arrage who unpin who, example " i would unpin mostly guys on my left"
and focus overcharger when its spawns, if you get overcharge stay close in group, if you get call lightning keep distance..
even at execute, focus overcharger... dont forget to block when needed ! good luck

Grabmoore

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Thanks for this thread. Im so glad they fixed ozara cheese.

Why? You enjoy dealing with Trolls and Overchargers while you are pinned?

I actually like to play the fights as they are intended, yes. This way everyone has to keep an eye out whats happening instead of using this boring stack and burn tactic.