The Thief vs The Warrior vs. Shadow for DPS after update

agaupig

as title
nerf of Thief and Shadow while buff of Warrior
Does the warrior stone now the best for DPS??

Banana

Watch his. An experts opinion

agaupig

i watched but still confused....
he said he prefer the lover??

Banana

Depends on what your doing. But the warrior and apprentice seem popular

Chelo

Banana wrote: »

Depends on what your doing. But the warrior and apprentice seem popular

They are the best for PvP and decent in PvE. So basically the best traits in general situations...

UrbanMonk

They are all within same DPS range

http://imgur.com/a/UpLeJ

dpencil1

Penetration is stronger the less of it you have. Not running Major Breach/Fracture? Not getting other penetration buff from group memebers? If so, Lover provides the strongest mundus bonus. If you're near 18200 penetration already, then Lover is weaker than Apprentice/Warrior. Thief and Shadow have both been nerfed pretty hard, and so are less favorable now, though Thief can still be a decent choice if you have very low crit chance without it.

Roach1990

Compare things on 3m dummy. Good

Destruent

@ToxicPAWS are those screenshots from pts?

UrbanMonk

Roach1990 wrote: »

Compare things on 3m dummy. Good

@Roach1990 - point is not if it's 3 mil or 6 or 52. And neither is this test for sustain DPS test. it was only done to see how much difference is in general in all mundus stones. on a bigger dummy with more controlled environment, it'll only become smaller...

I can do 6 mil ones and post them if you need. (just end me some wep dmg pots ) had enough wasted already

Bobby_V_Rockit

And what counts as a very low crit chance these days?

SpearDusk

dpencil1 wrote: »

Penetration is stronger the less of it you have. Not running Major Breach/Fracture? Not getting other penetration buff from group memebers? If so, Lover provides the strongest mundus bonus. If you're near 18200 penetration already, then Lover is weaker than Apprentice/Warrior. Thief and Shadow have both been nerfed pretty hard, and so are less favorable now, though Thief can still be a decent choice if you have very low crit chance without it.

What would you say is a low crit without theif mundus?

UrbanMonk

Destruent wrote: »

@ToxicPAWS are those screenshots from pts?

@Destruent - no these are from live.

My setup was 5 TFS + 5WM + 2kragh (Infused Axes + Sharp Dagger) with vMA (Nirn) Bow on back bar.

But again, pre patch, on the same setup/ rotation i was doing clsoe to 36-37 on 3 mil, and 35 on 6 mil dummy. 5-7% DPS loss is what can be assumed because of the change to sharp and Mundus stone buffs.
When tested the same setup with Lover it goes upto 34-35k which again confirms with the point stated above.

Destruent

Ok, thx for the fast answer

UrbanMonk

Destruent wrote: »

Ok, thx for the fast answer

@Destruent -Well I'm stuck with Error-301 atm on EU so nothing else to do...

agaupig

dpencil1 wrote: »

Penetration is stronger the less of it you have. Not running Major Breach/Fracture? Not getting other penetration buff from group memebers? If so, Lover provides the strongest mundus bonus. If you're near 18200 penetration already, then Lover is weaker than Apprentice/Warrior. Thief and Shadow have both been nerfed pretty hard, and so are less favorable now, though Thief can still be a decent choice if you have very low crit chance without it.

Is the 18.2K pen cap the result of pen + debuff
for example: your physical pen is 16k and you debuff mob's physical resistance by 2.2k and you reach the 18.2K cap??