[PUG Life] Is cp300 the new cp160?

Kurkikohtaus

Please take the question in the context of Vet Dungeons. What cp does a player need to be to make a contribution?

SoLooney

No

Depends on the player actually, cp is more front loaded so lower cp characters arent nearly as weak or squishy as max cps. cp 160 is also the highest gear you can wear, ive seen sub 200 cp players pulling some good dps along with good mechanical awareness and some horrible 500 plus cp players spamming light and heavy attacks.
yes i would prefer higher cps cause for the most part can carry their own weight while lower cp players are probably new and need more experience with dungeons and such

BNOC

Other

Tricky one imo.

Players that are changing servers etc can be good from 160.

New players can be good at 300 if they no-life the game and understand mechanics.

There's still 500+ CP's that have no clue though, even in your bog standard Vet Dungeons.

I also don't think all 630's pull their weight.

I wouldn't take any of them in to any of the so-called "hard" dungeons - Mazz, etc.

zaria

No

SoLooney wrote: »

Depends on the player actually, cp is more front loaded so lower cp characters arent nearly as weak or squishy as max cps. cp 160 is also the highest gear you can wear, ive seen sub 200 cp players pulling some good dps along with good mechanical awareness and some horrible 500 plus cp players spamming light and heavy attacks.
yes i would prefer higher cps cause for the most part can carry their own weight while lower cp players are probably new and need more experience with dungeons and such

I agree, issue with an cp160 lack of experience and that gear might still be an mess,

Coilbox

Other

Cp doesnt really say a lot... I pugged with amazing 160 cp ish players knowing exactly what to do at every minute, and also played with horrible 630 cp players (dolmen runners that put down their healing altar and start heavy attacking with a 2H).

Communication is key, i hate those n00bs that dont even answer when you try to help in certain situations.

Magdalina

Other

To make a contribution, player needs to be 10 cp. To make a meaningful contribution, player needs not 300-600 cp but basic understanding of his class, role and the game(which is actually pretty hard to acquire outside of vet dungeons these days since nothing teaches you anything or points out the imperfections in your build. This is an ongoing issue for a player of any cp though. If 100, 300 or 900 cp has never done a vet dungeon, soloed WB and/or looked up stuff they're likely to be bad because there's nothing to tell them to improve).

Lieblingsjunge

160 CP your gear is max level so I'll definitely recommend 160 CP.

After the cp-changes in MW, you don't need more than 300-350CP to be almost on par with the max cp 600 guys(of similar skill-level & gear, mind you). Of course, the more CP, the more you can spread them out, but, having 56x2 or 75x1 + xx points in at least 2 offensive / defensive / utility trees is sufficient to complete a lot of the content, imo.

Of course - your ability to use your class means a lot, especially in PvE. If you spam bow light attacks and gap-closer as your DPS, even on 650 CP you ain't doing [snip]. But if you have some knowledge a lot of content is easily doable for everyone.

LordGavus

No

I always recommend 160 for vet content. That said it's all about player skill.
I'll take a competent cp160 over a cp600 that spams one attack any day.

Axoinus

The difference might be gear. At 160, someone may not have good gear yet. At 300, they probably do.

I see requests for 400+ cp nowadays.

WhoSlappedThePie

Yes

I can't believe what I'm reading haha.

I usually PUG with 630 to complete dungeons in a quicker time, it's just my preference, why would I want to carry lower CPs through vet dungeons when I'm trying to do it fast.

I'll usually have a friend or 2 in the group and get a random 630 and I can assure you the ones I've played with tend to deal a lot more damage than I've seen on anything lower than 300.

I don't think I've ever joined a group (when I actually bother to go through with it) with a CP -300 where the boss fight didn't take 5 minutes+ whereas when I'm with 630 most bosses go down in 1~ minute. Apart from some of the "harder" dungeons of course.

You can just tell, when you spam guild/zone chat and you have a pre-dungeon convo with someone you can kind of tell by certain things whether they will be good. I may even ask what damage they have if we're trying a mazz no-death run or something like that and look at their skilllset.

I didn't get to 630 to play with people that haven't even got a correct set together, I've tried many times to disprove this idea by grouping with people of lower CP's but unfortunately it has taken far too long and in some cases (if I'm healing) then they just don't have the damage to get through easy dungeons and it annoys the hell out of me.

bebynnag

Stfu, OP

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

I can't believe what I'm reading haha.

I usually PUG with 630 to complete dungeons in a quicker time, it's just my preference, why would I want to carry lower CPs through vet dungeons when I'm trying to do it fast.

I'll usually have a friend or 2 in the group and get a random 630 and I can assure you the ones I've played with tend to deal a lot more damage than I've seen on anything lower than 300.

I don't think I've ever joined a group (when I actually bother to go through with it) with a CP -300 where the boss fight didn't take 5 minutes+ whereas when I'm with 630 most bosses go down in 1~ minute. Apart from some of the "harder" dungeons of course.

You can just tell, when you spam guild/zone chat and you have a pre-dungeon convo with someone you can kind of tell by certain things whether they will be good. I may even ask what damage they have if we're trying a mazz no-death run or something like that and look at their skilllset.

I didn't get to 630 to play with people that haven't even got a correct set together, I've tried many times to disprove this idea by grouping with people of lower CP's but unfortunately it has taken far too long and in some cases (if I'm healing) then they just don't have the damage to get through easy dungeons and it annoys the hell out of me.

i can 2 man most vet dungeons on my PvP characters, with my m8 in his PvP set up and the bosses go down in <1muinite.... just sayin!

Kneighbors

Other

Tank/dd cp300
Heal cp50

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

The goodness of a PUG can be seen from the very first trash pulls.

• Does the tank's health go down too quickly?
• Does it take more than 10 seconds to clear that trash?
• Anyone died already?

Having a high CP does not mean anything, apart the fact that you have more points to distribute. It does not even guarantee that they were properly spent based on the role.

max_only

No

High cp players that quit 1 second into loading up Normal WGT are just babies who've been carried and expect to continue to be carried their entire game experience. Good riddance. High cp can be a good indicator- a good indicator that they're Skyreach residents.

The only thing that "annoys" me is that I can't trade drops. Rngesus loves low levels.

Vipstaakki

Stfu, OP

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WhoSlappedThePie

Yes

puffytheslayer wrote: »

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

I can't believe what I'm reading haha.

I usually PUG with 630 to complete dungeons in a quicker time, it's just my preference, why would I want to carry lower CPs through vet dungeons when I'm trying to do it fast.

I'll usually have a friend or 2 in the group and get a random 630 and I can assure you the ones I've played with tend to deal a lot more damage than I've seen on anything lower than 300.

I don't think I've ever joined a group (when I actually bother to go through with it) with a CP -300 where the boss fight didn't take 5 minutes+ whereas when I'm with 630 most bosses go down in 1~ minute. Apart from some of the "harder" dungeons of course.

You can just tell, when you spam guild/zone chat and you have a pre-dungeon convo with someone you can kind of tell by certain things whether they will be good. I may even ask what damage they have if we're trying a mazz no-death run or something like that and look at their skilllset.

I didn't get to 630 to play with people that haven't even got a correct set together, I've tried many times to disprove this idea by grouping with people of lower CP's but unfortunately it has taken far too long and in some cases (if I'm healing) then they just don't have the damage to get through easy dungeons and it annoys the hell out of me.

i can 2 man most vet dungeons on my PvP characters, with my m8 in his PvP set up and the bosses go down in <1muinite.... just sayin!

...Videos or don't believe. Just sayin!

idk

No

The answer to the question is obviously no. Being no context was offered with why OP has posed the question there is not much more to say.

If players are kicking others that are below CP300 it has more to do with themselves needing higher CP to help carry them from the dungeon. That has been my experience.

Really little reason otherwise since I have seen a CP15 tank clear a vet dungeon with the only issue being his unfamiliarity of the dungeon. 3 manned a vet dungeon with a CP100 dps and one other dps, myself tanking, because the healer was short minded enough to drop after we would not kick the low CP player, lol.

Defilted

Other

CP level players are not a monolithic ESO experienced player base. Just becasue someone can grind to a CP level does not mean they are competent in dungeons, trials or PVP.

Sru

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

I didn't get to 630 to play with people that haven't even got a correct set together, I've tried many times to disprove this idea by grouping with people of lower CP's but unfortunately it has taken far too long and in some cases (if I'm healing) then they just don't have the damage to get through easy dungeons and it annoys the hell out of me.

I highly doubt you got to 630 without help from people higher than you either - nice way you are paying back. Just the awful elitist attitude that makes many groups obnoxious to be in. Why not help make them be better - you will make a huge difference to someones game.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Other

160 cp because they'll have max level gear, although I'll help lower level cp players when I have the time. After that, it really depends on the player. Like many people have said, I've seen great players at lower level cp, 160 - 250, and people who are just a waste of soul gems at higher level cp.

WhoSlappedThePie

Yes

No, I grinded my way to 630, then I played in groups, watched videos, learnt on my own, practiced my rotation on dummies, grinding better gear, made several characters to understand further mechanics.

I actually felt a bit bad for higher level players going into dungeons at around 400CP, I didn't enter dungeons at anything below 300-400CP as I felt my damage wasn't good enough.

I'm not paying anyone back anything, I help people who help me and the experience I've had is that low level CPs ruin my dungeon runs.

As I said (which you failed to quote me on) I have tried time and again to run dungeons with "lower CP" characters and it just goes stupidly slow. They never type back. I try to help them with Mic or typing and it doesn't look like they respond. Their damage always seems ridiculously low. Their gear doesn't look right, they lack monster sets. So many reasons to list of the experience I have had personally. I try to work with it but I end up leaving the game due to people dying over and over again, not putting out enough damage and consequently dying or just plain stupid people who can't communicate.

If you consider that elitist then thats your choice. Show me a video of you rocking a relatively "hard" dungeon with cp 160-200 and I'll see whether it ties in with my experience.

WhoSlappedThePie

Yes

Sru wrote: »

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

I didn't get to 630 to play with people that haven't even got a correct set together, I've tried many times to disprove this idea by grouping with people of lower CP's but unfortunately it has taken far too long and in some cases (if I'm healing) then they just don't have the damage to get through easy dungeons and it annoys the hell out of me.

I highly doubt you got to 630 without help from people higher than you either - nice way you are paying back. Just the awful elitist attitude that makes many groups obnoxious to be in. Why not help make them be better - you will make a huge difference to someones game.

And just so you know, I have helped many people, I've played this game for a long time so don't give me that "why not help make them be better" as I have helped a lot of lower CP characters with build ideas, CP distrubution, set options and where to find them, helped people in PVP, PVE, skyshard farming, taking them with us through 12-man trials and helping again. Using Shareplay to adjust their build so they can do VMA. I've helped alot. Why aren't I allowed to now choose what I want to do and have the desire to run dungeons in a quick time so I can spend my time doing other things?

Kurkikohtaus

Yes

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i can 2 man most vet dungeons on my PvP characters, with my m8 in his PvP set up and the bosses go down in <1muinite.... just sayin!

Define "most vet dungeons".

WhoSlappedThePie

Yes

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i can 2 man most vet dungeons on my PvP characters, with my m8 in his PvP set up and the bosses go down in <1muinite.... just sayin!

Define "most vet dungeons".

Yeah haha which is why I asked him...

Sru

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

And just so you know, I have helped many people, I've played this game for a long time so don't give me that "why not help make them be better" as I have helped a lot of lower CP characters with build ideas, CP distrubution, set options and where to find them, helped people in PVP, PVE, skyshard farming, taking them with us through 12-man trials and helping again. Using Shareplay to adjust their build so they can do VMA. I've helped alot. Why aren't I allowed to now choose what I want to do and have the desire to run dungeons in a quick time so I can spend my time doing other things?

Brilliant - I bow to your sainthood. However, you even advertise for lower CP to help YOU in runs :

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/364906/ps4-eu-looking-for-people-to-run-normal-sanctum-ophidia#latest

I guess these are then not good enough to then run dungeons when they need help?

Look, I was pointing out that lower CP will rely on those experienced to help. If you do that, good for you - that was definitely not the attitude you came to the thread with. It smacked of the worst type of elitism - something I see regularly in PUGs - high CP vets abandoning groups within moments of joining as they are not as 'leet as they are. If you are not in that camp, fab. If you are, my comments thus stand.

Shardan4968

Stfu, OP

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

Why aren't I allowed to now choose what I want to do and have the desire to run dungeons in a quick time so I can spend my time doing other things?

Have you joined any guild? Because vet dungeons with random people isn't best idea If you are expecting everyone to speedrun and +630cp. You are allowed to play as you want, so as below 300cp players. Some ppl type in zone chat that they want only experienced players for speedrun and 0 deaths. Maybe try this and don't ruin your and someone else's day.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

Some ppl type in zone chat that they want only experienced players for speedrun and 0 deaths.

Those are the same people that are not aware that the first boss in Vaults of Madness reflects damage to a member of the group, who is getting one shotted without mercy. This person usually comes up with a wtf!? in the group chat.

WhoSlappedThePie

Yes

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

Some ppl type in zone chat that they want only experienced players for speedrun and 0 deaths.

Those are the same people that are not aware that the first boss in Vaults of Madness reflects damage to a member of the group, who is getting one shotted without mercy. This person usually comes up with a wtf!? in the group chat.

I didn't write that

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

WhoSlappedThePie wrote: »

I didn't write that

...yea I messed up the quote thing...
This cnfirms that having high CP doesn't mean you are great at everything.

ArchMikem

No

Champion Points can enhance your ability to perform (heh) noticeably, but a lack of them doesn't have to impede you if you know the game mechanics and all that by the time you reach 160. The problem is a lot of players reach that CP level and even higher by still spamming their light attacks with a Bow or taking a 2Handed as a DPS into a Vet Dungeon and wondering why they're dying so quickly from the 20 mobs attack them while they're focusing on one at a time.

Also no need to include that fourth option OP.

WhoSlappedThePie

Yes

I'm not discriminating, if I have a group and notice somebody (high CP) using 2H or spamming bow light attacks and I've mentioned it but they take no notice; I will be forced to vote them out. It's not useful for anybody and it just wastes time.

My problem is I have limited time on this game now which is why I aim to do things as fast as possible.