How much Weapon Damage is TOO High?

Ravingar

So after HotR, it seems that my weapon damage has jumped drastically. I've always gone with a sorta high weapon damage, medium weapon crit build, and well I've managed to get a weapon damage of 4010, and a weapon critical of 47.4% by using hundings, nirn gold daggers, 3 piece night mother and agility set with weapon damage enchants. Now I'm not sure if these values are too high. I mean has anyone else been able to accomplish these numbers or am I the only *** dum enough to try

EDIT: What I was asking is whether I should sacrifice my weapon damage for other things such as stam recovery, weapon critical or even more max stamina
(Don't mind the low quality graphics, using a bad computer atm)
http://imgur.com/jjaR6F1

Bladerunner1

In this patch, you probably won't see much DPS loss by stacking weapon damage.

Infused + weapon damage glyph buffs damage a majority of the time and is about as strong as sharpened + weapon damage glyph. It offers a couple hundred more weapon damage averaged over time.

Warrior is about 1% weaker than lover and adds 362 weapon damage in all Divines gear.

1 piece of Velidreth or Molag Kena is a tiny fraction of a percent weaker than 1 piece of Kragh's and adds 129 weapon damage.

You could easily stack several hundred more weapon damage and it might only cost 2% of your DPS in small group and solo play. The LA/HA damage and self heals would be pretty big.

Jim_Pipp

Snore. It's dps and not weapon damage that matters. You reminded me of this thread in which people discussed builds that had over 6k weapon damage, and even one werewolf build with over 9k!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/327747/highest-weapon-damage-and-spell/p1

ecru

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Snore. It's dps and not weapon damage that matters. You reminded me of this thread in which people discussed builds that had over 6k weapon damage, and even one werewolf build with over 9k!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/327747/highest-weapon-damage-and-spell/p1

I think his question was how weapon damage would affect dps, since he asked if his values were too high.

It seems pretty obvious to me that your actual dps is more important than any specific stat.. but uh.. maybe you meant something else and just didn't convey what you were trying to say very well?

SirAndy

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Snore. It's dps and not weapon damage that matters. You reminded me of this thread in which people discussed builds that had over 6k weapon damage, and even one werewolf build with over 9k!

I remember someone had a build with over 7k (not in werewolf form) but that was a while ago.
Not sure if that setup still exists.

Trashkan

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe there is a hard cap or a soft cap where you get diminished returns I believe it's 4500 or 5k.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Over 9000 is a tad high, tends to blow up the UI of enemies...

Ravingar

Thanks all. I was mainly asking if like there something else that I should be focusing on if my weapon damage is too high.But ill just have to do some more experimenting to find a good balance I guess.

Jim_Pipp

Sorry buddy, I read your initial post as a bit of a humble brag "oh dear I have made so much weapon power".

My worry about your build is that you don't have enough health for group content (although that depends on your plays style of course, but dead players don't do good dps).

Possibly more serious is that your stam regeneration is showing as 0! I assume that is some sort of bug, because if you have to use heavy attacks too much then you are loosing tonnes of dps.

Finally your penetration, your weapon damage is doing much less if it has to go through lots of resistance. I suspect you would see a dps increase just by switching to 5 piece night mothers gaze, especially if you can get your crit up and you are applying lots of dots - although dots do less damage, more of that damage will be getting through.

If you are dual wielding you will almost always be better wearing two full 5 piece sets and a monster helm set.

Sorry for misunderstanding your original post (I won't edit it because that would leave your clarification out of context). If you put more about what content you want to build for then it's easier to make suggestions. If you are just doing overland quests then your current build is pretty good and I bet most mobs just melt.

cpuScientist

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Sorry buddy, I read your initial post as a bit of a humble brag "oh dear I have made so much weapon power".

My worry about your build is that you don't have enough health for group content (although that depends on your plays style of course, but dead players don't do good dps).

Possibly more serious is that your stam regeneration is showing as 0! I assume that is some sort of bug, because if you have to use heavy attacks too much then you are loosing tonnes of dps.

Finally your penetration, your weapon damage is doing much less if it has to go through lots of resistance. I suspect you would see a dps increase just by switching to 5 piece night mothers gaze, especially if you can get your crit up and you are applying lots of dots - although dots do less damage, more of that damage will be getting through.

If you are dual wielding you will almost always be better wearing two full 5 piece sets and a monster helm set.

Sorry for misunderstanding your original post (I won't edit it because that would leave your clarification out of context). If you put more about what content you want to build for then it's easier to make suggestions. If you are just doing overland quests then your current build is pretty good and I bet most mobs just melt.

I cannot deal with this level of humility. Please at least name call or something. An apology, not editing your comment and then offering helpful advice. You are my internet forum hero.

On the topic at hand. If you are in a group that offers good pen, such as other stam running pen sets and tank running infused crusher, weapon damage stacking is gonna probably be best IMO. I would suggest daggers to keep crit up. Find out what you need to reach the pen cap then worry about other stats. And this changes from group to group. So have a set of twofanged or NMG or Sunderflame or heck spriggan always handy as a Stam DPS. It is up to you to inquire about the sets in a raid, to optimize your dps. In 4 man I would suggest always wearing a pen set, as it's usually not going to be at cap, But yeah dps this patch is more even teel for sure.

W0lf_z13

... has anyone else noticed the fact that in the ss the stam rec is 0? .... how do you regain stam? just by heavy attacking and battle roar?

Jim_Pipp

Just had another thought about your build - I assume you are running dual daggers on the front bar and bow on the back bar (that's the meta set-up). I just wanted to check you knew that you can have BOTH hundings and nightmothers by swapping bars. This will be the cheapest way to improve your build because you will only have to recraft a couple of items.

On your body have 3 pieces of one set and 4 pieces of another - it doesn't matter which is which as they have the same 4 piece bonus, but lets say the three piece is hundings rage.

Your 2 daggers will be hundings rage (=5 pieces on your main bar) and your bow is precise nightmothers (=5 pieces on bow bar).

Start the fight by buffing up, on bow bar and drop arrow barrage, noxious breath and maybe acid spray and/or caltrops - with this many dot's you will affect nearly every mob with nightmother's debuff, as well as the major fracture from noxious breath - switch to dual wield to make those dots do more damage (each dot tick will take advantage of your high weapon damage) and use your favourite dual wield/damage abilities, just swap back to bow every 6 seconds-ish (doesn't have to be exact) and reapply some of those dot's, and at the same time you'll reapply the debuff.

Honghua

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

In this patch, you probably won't see much DPS loss by stacking weapon damage.

Infused + weapon damage glyph buffs damage a majority of the time and is about as strong as sharpened + weapon damage glyph. It offers a couple hundred more weapon damage averaged over time.

Warrior is about 1% weaker than lover and adds 362 weapon damage in all Divines gear.

1 piece of Velidreth or Molag Kena is a tiny fraction of a percent weaker than 1 piece of Kragh's and adds 129 weapon damage.

You could easily stack several hundred more weapon damage and it might only cost 2% of your DPS in small group and solo play. The LA/HA damage and self heals would be pretty big.

Does these calculations includes the weapon damage buffs increase such as brutality, and etc passives?
Since every single weapon damage stat scales up with the lots of passives that buffs weapon damage.
For example 3% from guild bonus, 6% from templar, 20% from brutality and it already gives you 30% more.

Skullstachio

Maybe one of you would be happy to test out the Were-Warden build on a practice dummy & see where the damage specs lead to.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/351953/were-warden-build-update-1-2-divine-were-warden

Bladerunner1

Honghua wrote: »

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

In this patch, you probably won't see much DPS loss by stacking weapon damage.

Infused + weapon damage glyph buffs damage a majority of the time and is about as strong as sharpened + weapon damage glyph. It offers a couple hundred more weapon damage averaged over time.

Warrior is about 1% weaker than lover and adds 362 weapon damage in all Divines gear.

1 piece of Velidreth or Molag Kena is a tiny fraction of a percent weaker than 1 piece of Kragh's and adds 129 weapon damage.

You could easily stack several hundred more weapon damage and it might only cost 2% of your DPS in small group and solo play. The LA/HA damage and self heals would be pretty big.

Does these calculations includes the weapon damage buffs increase such as brutality, and etc passives?
Since every single weapon damage stat scales up with the lots of passives that buffs weapon damage.
For example 3% from guild bonus, 6% from templar, 20% from brutality and it already gives you 30% more.

Yes I accounted for 20% Major Brutality + 8% Flawless Dawnbreaker + 3% Fighters Guild Skill + 12% Medium Armor Buff. Even with all those buffs added together, the math shows the Warrior is slightly weaker than the Lover.

Ravingar

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

... has anyone else noticed the fact that in the ss the stam rec is 0? .... how do you regain stam? just by heavy attacking and battle roar?

LOL I just realised that, I must have been running right before I took the screenshot (and I probably lagged, my recovery was about 750 I think, I am running the Serpent Mundus now and my stamina recovery jumped up to 1300)

Ravingar

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Sorry buddy, I read your initial post as a bit of a humble brag "oh dear I have made so much weapon power".

My worry about your build is that you don't have enough health for group content (although that depends on your plays style of course, but dead players don't do good dps).

Possibly more serious is that your stam regeneration is showing as 0! I assume that is some sort of bug, because if you have to use heavy attacks too much then you are loosing tonnes of dps.

Finally your penetration, your weapon damage is doing much less if it has to go through lots of resistance. I suspect you would see a dps increase just by switching to 5 piece night mothers gaze, especially if you can get your crit up and you are applying lots of dots - although dots do less damage, more of that damage will be getting through.

If you are dual wielding you will almost always be better wearing two full 5 piece sets and a monster helm set.

Sorry for misunderstanding your original post (I won't edit it because that would leave your clarification out of context). If you put more about what content you want to build for then it's easier to make suggestions. If you are just doing overland quests then your current build is pretty good and I bet most mobs just melt.

Thanks. Yeah I know I should have been a bit more specific, to be honest I'm sure I wouldn't have understood it myself. And yeah, my stamina recovery was actually 750, must have been lag from when I was running since recovery goes to 0 when you run. Anyway, I do have quite low HP, though it can generally be difficult to get it higher without sacrificing DPS, but I'll take your advice anyway. Thanks.

Gan Xing

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Sorry buddy, I read your initial post as a bit of a humble brag "oh dear I have made so much weapon power".

My worry about your build is that you don't have enough health for group content (although that depends on your plays style of course, but dead players don't do good dps).

Possibly more serious is that your stam regeneration is showing as 0! I assume that is some sort of bug, because if you have to use heavy attacks too much then you are loosing tonnes of dps.

Finally your penetration, your weapon damage is doing much less if it has to go through lots of resistance. I suspect you would see a dps increase just by switching to 5 piece night mothers gaze, especially if you can get your crit up and you are applying lots of dots - although dots do less damage, more of that damage will be getting through.

If you are dual wielding you will almost always be better wearing two full 5 piece sets and a monster helm set.

Sorry for misunderstanding your original post (I won't edit it because that would leave your clarification out of context). If you put more about what content you want to build for then it's easier to make suggestions. If you are just doing overland quests then your current build is pretty good and I bet most mobs just melt.

stam recovery also goes to 0 in stealth too. As for the health, I know a number of nightblades who became essentially glass cannons, and had lots of fun that way. That said, if you do want to do glass cannon style in PvP (I don't recommend in PvE, which is where you need good DPS), Jim said it well, build up that penetration, as high weapon damage is pointless if it has to go through a lot of resistance.