Sorcerer healer - a way to improve

rafaelcsmaia

Ive tried a few times to heal with my sorc, despite not having massive support it is okaish, however there is a big issue: the burst heal from matriarch is extremelly unreliable, since it gets killed pretty often, in trials i think it doesnt stand a chance.

So id like to propose a change and get some feedback: why not make the matriarch dps free (remove its attacking, since its a healing skill) and turn it into a immortal pet (maybe like the nb shades without health or auto respawn like warden bear)?

This wouldn't be unbalanced, since sorcs arent exactly mega op healers, but would enable them to do okay in trials as healers

Tasear

oh my how long has been since I had a chance...paste it!

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dark-priestess-pug-proof/

Sincerely best sorcerer healer in game till proven otherwise

Edit

They have done many things to pets, but as of now it works well. Try using emprowered ward or setting the pet to defend.

exeeter702

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Ive tried a few times to heal with my sorc, despite not having massive support it is okaish, however there is a big issue: the burst heal from matriarch is extremelly unreliable, since it gets killed pretty often, in trials i think it doesnt stand a chance.

So id like to propose a change and get some feedback: why not make the matriarch dps free (remove its attacking, since its a healing skill) and turn it into a immortal pet (maybe like the nb shades without health or auto respawn like warden bear)?

This wouldn't be unbalanced, since sorcs arent exactly mega op healers, but would enable them to do okay in trials as healers

Reduce the potency of the matriarchs heal to be more in line with BoL then maybe. The trade off for the strength of the heal is the added pet management including being double barred.

Pet AI and more responsive and inuitive options for how to command pets or set their behavior (ie. Passive, defensive & aggressive) is the real solution here.

Tasear

Indeed he's right the heals are stronger, but takes more effort to use it well. If such a change was implement it would unbalanced the breath of life versus the twlight Maritach, though I wish it could be possible. After all we get 8% more health just keeping alive. The only thing is needs some adjustments in certain mechanics, but otherwise it works very well. If I was to desire a change would be undaunted altar synergy to work or cast time lower.

Beardimus

Pet healing is strong if done right. Think immortal pet just open to so many issues. Get a ward on her, and no real prob.

rafaelcsmaia

While i agree that the healing is strong, the downsides are many and i dont think any end game raid would allow a sorc to be the healer, thats why im suggesting this change

ForsakenSin

Would be cool that instead of matriarchs doing damage to the enemy it heals players for 2k and then ohh crap moment you can activate the twilight's special ability to heal the matriarch and up to 2 other friendly targets

hmsdragonfly

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Ive tried a few times to heal with my sorc, despite not having massive support it is okaish, however there is a big issue: the burst heal from matriarch is extremelly unreliable, since it gets killed pretty often, in trials i think it doesnt stand a chance.

So id like to propose a change and get some feedback: why not make the matriarch dps free (remove its attacking, since its a healing skill) and turn it into a immortal pet (maybe like the nb shades without health or auto respawn like warden bear)?

This wouldn't be unbalanced, since sorcs arent exactly mega op healers, but would enable them to do okay in trials as healers

Command Pet + Right click

It isn't going to die if you do that :P

rafaelcsmaia

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Ive tried a few times to heal with my sorc, despite not having massive support it is okaish, however there is a big issue: the burst heal from matriarch is extremelly unreliable, since it gets killed pretty often, in trials i think it doesnt stand a chance.

So id like to propose a change and get some feedback: why not make the matriarch dps free (remove its attacking, since its a healing skill) and turn it into a immortal pet (maybe like the nb shades without health or auto respawn like warden bear)?

This wouldn't be unbalanced, since sorcs arent exactly mega op healers, but would enable them to do okay in trials as healers

Command Pet + Right click

It isn't going to die if you do that :P

Thats exactly why you wont see sorcerers healing vmol, for example, while you command your pet, your friends get roasted.

Also there are inumerous 1 shot mechanics involving positioning or simply non avoidable (Twins at vmol, The Warrior's Shehai storm, The serpent's explosion)

Simply put, when you have to choose between saving your pet or your group, you're being a bad healer, templars will always be superior.

Tasear

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

While i agree that the healing is strong, the downsides are many and i dont think any end game raid would allow a sorc to be the healer, thats why im suggesting this change

Go on, what other downsides do you see? By way I have a raid tonight, so it's definitely not that they aren't allowed. Though surely there's still issues that may need to resloved, but development has been progressing in a strong and positive direction for pass year and half. As I said before, please elaborate.

SirMewser

Tasear wrote: »

oh my how long has been since I had a chance...paste it!

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dark-priestess-pug-proof/

Sincerely best sorcerer healer in game till proven otherwise

Edit

They have done many things to pets, but as of now it works well. Try using emprowered ward or setting the pet to defend.

That was a fun read, thanks for sharing.

Every time I hear a complaint about "pets dying" being a problem it's usually the player themselves (with the exception of some bosses that glitch pets like the one boss from ICP).
I have no problem in trial dungeons with mine even with getting behind the pillars that explode, as long as I command my pets to follow.

It would be nice if pets had more passive attacks but were randomized so they aren't repeating the same bland animation...
Personally I think the pets themselves are in a good spot now, but would like to see more support for tanking and healing in the Sorcerer's arsenal.

rafaelcsmaia

Tasear wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

While i agree that the healing is strong, the downsides are many and i dont think any end game raid would allow a sorc to be the healer, thats why im suggesting this change

Go on, what other downsides do you see? By way I have a raid tonight, so it's definitely not that they aren't allowed. Though surely there's still issues that may need to resloved, but development has been progressing in a strong and positive direction for pass year and half. As I said before, please elaborate.

IMO the only issues are regarding the burst heal (Matriarch), one being it needing to double bar and the other one shot mechanics roasting her, in which case no shields would save the pet. Also there is a flood of people that say pets steal SPC proc, although i think it doesnt really matter since sorcs use the lil monkey anyway.

Im really interested though in this pet controlling you guys mentioned, I play on console so no right click - command, is it possible on console too? never heard of it

Tasear

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

While i agree that the healing is strong, the downsides are many and i dont think any end game raid would allow a sorc to be the healer, thats why im suggesting this change

Go on, what other downsides do you see? By way I have a raid tonight, so it's definitely not that they aren't allowed. Though surely there's still issues that may need to resloved, but development has been progressing in a strong and positive direction for pass year and half. As I said before, please elaborate.

IMO the only issues are regarding the burst heal (Matriarch), one being it needing to double bar and the other one shot mechanics roasting her, in which case no shields would save the pet. Also there is a flood of people that say pets steal SPC proc, although i think it doesnt really matter since sorcs use the lil monkey anyway.

Im really interested though in this pet controlling you guys mentioned, I play on console so no right click - command, is it possible on console too? never heard of it

@Wrobel said pets don't steal buffs if I recall correctly.

Most one shot mechanics have been fixed. Still waiting on vhrc . She is dead before I have a chance. Also maybe it's my imagination...but is she getting a damage circle and killing people.

There's is a recent bug on what first boss of wgt.. where matirach isn't healing people in prison Otherwise I can't recall any issues and I played almost every aspect a sorc healer in pve can do.


P.S technically you don't have to double bar. . just going to have resummon it. But really you gain 20% health and stamina and 8% health having it alive..so seems like good trade-off.

FakeFox

I have turned my sorc into healer a week ago since my DPS on it was a joke and needed another healer for weeklies. It can't quite hold up to templar in my opinion, but it's never the less pretty nice. Controlling the pet can be difficult at first but once you get used to it works pretty nice. There isn't too much that onehits her and against every thing else I just use her heal every few seconds. Sorc has such good sustain it doesn't matter.

Lyserus

Tasear wrote: »

oh my how long has been since I had a chance...paste it!

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dark-priestess-pug-proof/

Sincerely best sorcerer healer in game till proven otherwise

Edit

They have done many things to pets, but as of now it works well. Try using emprowered ward or setting the pet to defend.

The build looks nice!

I wonder if it's okay to use breton, and how does it perform in pvp?

Tasear

Lyserus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

oh my how long has been since I had a chance...paste it!

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dark-priestess-pug-proof/

Sincerely best sorcerer healer in game till proven otherwise

Edit

They have done many things to pets, but as of now it works well. Try using emprowered ward or setting the pet to defend.

The build looks nice!

I wonder if it's okay to use breton, and how does it perform in pvp?

Probably and I have some different ideas for PvP but needs testing m

rafaelcsmaia

@Tasear have you healed vhof with your sorc yet?

Tasear

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

@Tasear have you healed vhof with your sorc yet?

Not at this current time

Narvuntien

I am leveling my Sorc healer atm. The huge minor vunerablity uptime results in some brutally fast clears. Kind of really like having both Lightning blockage and liquid lightning AoE Dots... hmm maybe put it on the overload bar?

Hmm I am not sure on the Stamina abilities in your build though... since I am not a wood elf.
I can see why bone shield is strong and another synergy to proc Twlight's remedy so I am still considering using it but I keep searching for some other good mag synergy skill, Probably just run orbs in that slot.

I have been grinding nMoL on another character but I only have a bunch of infused rather than divines TR gear do you think having more resources is going to be stronger than better healing?

Tasear

Narvuntien wrote: »

I am leveling my Sorc healer atm. The huge minor vunerablity uptime results in some brutally fast clears. Kind of really like having both Lightning blockage and liquid lightning AoE Dots... hmm maybe put it on the overload bar?

Hmm I am not sure on the Stamina abilities in your build though... since I am not a wood elf.
I can see why bone shield is strong and another synergy to proc Twlight's remedy so I am still considering using it but I keep searching for some other good mag synergy skill, Probably just run orbs in that slot.

I have been grinding nMoL on another character but I only have a bunch of infused rather than divines TR gear do you think having more resources is going to be stronger than better healing?

You could remove circle of protection and put surge, Purge or propelling siege, liquid lighting.

I actually have gold pieces of infused twlight and it turns out it wasn't effective no matter what mundus nothing reach higher numbers, but this was before hot so let go confirm again.