From Patch Notes: "Only the weapon you are currently holding will now proc enchantments."

Loc2262

What exactly does that mean?

As in, how was it before? Say you have Blockade on the backbar, put that on the ground, swap to frontbar and start light attacking. Would the enchants of both weapons proc then before, and now only the active bar?

SanTii.92

From what I understand, blockade shouldn't proc back bar's enchant now.

Jim_Pipp

Loc2262 wrote: »

What exactly does that mean?

As in, how was it before? Say you have Blockade on the backbar, put that on the ground, swap to frontbar and start light attacking. Would the enchants of both weapons proc then before, and now only the active bar?

You've got it. Here is a video from yesterday that discusses the glitch quite a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlVa58SPNSM

IcyDeadPeople

So, if I put down blockade (destro bar), then switch to sword & shield bar will my sword enchant proc on the remaining ticks of Blockade now, even if I don't hit anything with my sword?

Otherwise, it becomes tricky to make enchantments proc with any damage over time, since we all swap bars frequently.

Loc2262

Alright, thanks for the info!

I just tested it on the target skelly, an active e.g. Blockade on the backbar will proc the front bar enchant (and only that) when you switch to the frontbar.

DerpyShadowz

TL:DR, lightning staves with blockade on the offbar was allowing the enchantment from that bar to proc continuously while being on the front bar, essentially giving you 2 enchantments worth of dps on the main bar, it was like this for a long time, it was just more prevalent on the PTS due to certain buffs.

Blackbird_V

Does this mean if you swap bars from a maelstrom bow to your front bar, you lose the maelstrom bow enchantment?

Loc2262

So double infused is useless now, Thief got nerfed, Precise did not get buffed. There goes the "new meta". I'm wondering if Sharpened is once again best now despite the nerf.

Almost feels like they did that intentionally. Leave stuff on the PTS till the last patch, let all those streamers post new metas, and then change it all for live and BAM! Ha-ha.

Wing

this feels like one of those things only the top 5% know about and don't say anything about.

then when a fix for it spontaneously shows up in the patch notes they all come out of the woodwork complaining about it and claiming it took skill or what not and how critical it was to something terribly important or how it made something that was otherwise crap viable.

and the other 95% are looking around confused because none of them knew it was a thing, and realize that there are cheezy mechanics kept secret by the top 5% to give them and edge and make content artificially easy.

then the 5% come to the forums and complain about things being to easy.

and once again the other 95% are looking around confused. . .

IcyDeadPeople

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

TL:DR, lightning staves with blockade on the offbar was allowing the enchantment from that bar to proc continuously while being on the front bar, essentially giving you 2 enchantments worth of dps on the main bar, it has been like this for a long time, just more prevalent now due to certain buffs.

Previously, I put down any weapon DoT and it keeps ticking with the enchantment from that weapon. Then I switch bars, fire off a different weapon DoT and the new DoT would use the enchantment from the 2nd weapon.

How does it work now, exactly? If I put down a weapon DoT ability, then switch bars, it is using the enchantment from the 2nd weapon, even if I don't hit anything with that weapon? Or all weapon DoTs effectively lose enchantments if you swap bars?

DerpyShadowz

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

TL:DR, lightning staves with blockade on the offbar was allowing the enchantment from that bar to proc continuously while being on the front bar, essentially giving you 2 enchantments worth of dps on the main bar, it has been like this for a long time, just more prevalent now due to certain buffs.

Previously, I put down any weapon DoT and it keeps ticking with the enchantment from that weapon. Then I switch bars, fire off a different weapon DoT and the new DoT would use the enchantment from the 2nd weapon.

How does it work now, exactly? If I put down a weapon DoT ability, then switch bars, it is using the enchantment from the 2nd weapon, even if I don't hit anything with that weapon? Or all weapon DoTs effectively lose enchantments if you swap bars?

Basically if you had a lightning staff on your off-bar with a shock enchant, applied blockade and swapped bars, the blockade would continue to keep ticking the shock enchant while not physically being on that bar, while still allowing you to deal damage with a different enchant on the main bar.

From my understanding the patch notes have fixed this issue and an enchantment will now only proc while holding that staff. (excluding special enchants such as vMA weapons etc.)

SanTii.92

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

TL:DR, lightning staves with blockade on the offbar was allowing the enchantment from that bar to proc continuously while being on the front bar, essentially giving you 2 enchantments worth of dps on the main bar, it has been like this for a long time, just more prevalent now due to certain buffs.

Or all weapon DoTs effectively lose enchantments if you swap bars?

I'm inclined to think this is the case now. Weapon dots will proc your current's bar enchant, regardless of where the skill was casted. But we should wait for proper

Smmokkee

Loc2262 wrote: »

What exactly does that mean?

As in, how was it before? Say you have Blockade on the backbar, put that on the ground, swap to frontbar and start light attacking. Would the enchants of both weapons proc then before, and now only the active bar?

Wonder if i can still double proc a poison with an enchant

paulsimonps

I am wondering too how this effects Master/Maelstrom weapons.

Drakhaon

He didnt affect maelstrom/master

SodanTok

BlackbirdV wrote: »

Does this mean if you swap bars from a maelstrom bow to your front bar, you lose the maelstrom bow enchantment?

No That would destroy PVE balance

dpencil1

Rich commented and said this change does not effect maelstrom/master weapons. So you can still back bar Maelstrom staff and get the increased LA/HA damage on the front bar.

IcyDeadPeople

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

TL:DR, lightning staves with blockade on the offbar was allowing the enchantment from that bar to proc continuously while being on the front bar, essentially giving you 2 enchantments worth of dps on the main bar, it has been like this for a long time, just more prevalent now due to certain buffs.

Previously, I put down any weapon DoT and it keeps ticking with the enchantment from that weapon. Then I switch bars, fire off a different weapon DoT and the new DoT would use the enchantment from the 2nd weapon.

How does it work now, exactly? If I put down a weapon DoT ability, then switch bars, it is using the enchantment from the 2nd weapon, even if I don't hit anything with that weapon? Or all weapon DoTs effectively lose enchantments if you swap bars?

Basically if you had a lightning staff on your off-bar with a shock enchant, applied blockade and swapped bars, the blockade would continue to keep ticking the shock enchant while not physically being on that bar, while still allowing you to deal damage with a different enchant on the main bar.

From my understanding the patch notes have fixed this issue and an enchantment will now only proc while holding that staff. (excluding special enchants such as vMA weapons etc.)

Yes, for example in that scenario the damage over time was from blockade cast by the lightning staff. Kinda makes sense that it was continuing to proc because the lightning DoT was still going on after swapping bars.

Now however, I if cast blockade then switch to my sword and shield bar, is the blockade damage over time going to proc my sword enchantment, even if I don't hit anything with my sword?

jeskah

dpencil1 wrote: »

Rich commented and said this change does not effect maelstrom/master weapons. So you can still back bar Maelstrom staff and get the increased LA/HA damage on the front bar.

But the VMA bow backbar with random trait/infused weapon mainbar seems to not work anymore.
At least for me. Or i miss something.

Loc2262

Well I just did a skelly DPS test on the live server with my current setups (Stamblade with Hunding's, Spriggan, Selene, double sharpened non-MA weapons, Magsorc pet with Necro, Moondancer, Ilambris, also double sharpened non-MA), and I'm still doing 32-33k like before. Like I barely notice a real difference.

So I'm gonna let the dust settle and wait till both the theorycrafters and ZOS have made up their minds before I start assembling new gear.

theamazingx

Wing wrote: »

this feels like one of those things only the top 5% know about and don't say anything about.

then when a fix for it spontaneously shows up in the patch notes they all come out of the woodwork complaining about it and claiming it took skill or what not and how critical it was to something terribly important or how it made something that was otherwise crap viable.

and the other 95% are looking around confused because none of them knew it was a thing, and realize that there are cheezy mechanics kept secret by the top 5% to give them and edge and make content artificially easy.

then the 5% come to the forums and complain about things being to easy.

and once again the other 95% are looking around confused. . .

Sure, if by "don't say anythinrg about" you mean "put out tons of videos about"

SirAndy

Wing wrote: »

this feels like one of those things only the top 5% know about and don't say anything about.
then when a fix for it spontaneously shows up in the patch notes they all come out of the woodwork complaining about it and claiming it took skill or what not and how critical it was to something terribly important or how it made something that was otherwise crap viable.
and the other 95% are looking around confused because none of them knew it was a thing, and realize that there are cheezy mechanics kept secret by the top 5% to give them and edge and make content artificially easy.
then the 5% come to the forums and complain about things being to easy.
and once again the other 95% are looking around confused. . .

Nailed it!

SanTii.92

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

DerpyShadowz wrote: »

TL:DR, lightning staves with blockade on the offbar was allowing the enchantment from that bar to proc continuously while being on the front bar, essentially giving you 2 enchantments worth of dps on the main bar, it has been like this for a long time, just more prevalent now due to certain buffs.

Previously, I put down any weapon DoT and it keeps ticking with the enchantment from that weapon. Then I switch bars, fire off a different weapon DoT and the new DoT would use the enchantment from the 2nd weapon.

How does it work now, exactly? If I put down a weapon DoT ability, then switch bars, it is using the enchantment from the 2nd weapon, even if I don't hit anything with that weapon? Or all weapon DoTs effectively lose enchantments if you swap bars?

Basically if you had a lightning staff on your off-bar with a shock enchant, applied blockade and swapped bars, the blockade would continue to keep ticking the shock enchant while not physically being on that bar, while still allowing you to deal damage with a different enchant on the main bar.

From my understanding the patch notes have fixed this issue and an enchantment will now only proc while holding that staff. (excluding special enchants such as vMA weapons etc.)

Yes, for example in that scenario the damage over time was from blockade cast by the lightning staff. Kinda makes sense that it was continuing to proc because the lightning DoT was still going on after swapping bars.

Now however, I if cast blockade then switch to my sword and shield bar, is the blockade damage over time going to proc my sword enchantment, even if I don't hit anything with my sword?

Yes, that's how it should be working now.

stevepdodson_ESO888

Wing wrote: »

this feels like one of those things only the top 5% know about and don't say anything about.

then when a fix for it spontaneously shows up in the patch notes they all come out of the woodwork complaining about it and claiming it took skill or what not and how critical it was to something terribly important or how it made something that was otherwise crap viable.

and the other 95% are looking around confused because none of them knew it was a thing, and realize that there are cheezy mechanics kept secret by the top 5% to give them and edge and make content artificially easy.

then the 5% come to the forums and complain about things being to easy.

and once again the other 95% are looking around confused. . .

that sounds about right...they all want to look good and claim to be the best, while all the time they are just cheesy cheaters using little known exploits

you, sir deserve an awesome