HotR is introducing a slew of proc sets. Are you ok with it?

DarkAedin

I am persosonally completely against proc dmg sets. Just want to see if my view is shared as we are about to get a ton of new proc sets.

Bbsample197

the procs of the upcoming new ones are rather disappointing

AlienatedGoat

6) don't care about this poll or its strawmen.

Gilvoth

please show these new proc sets. [i haven't seen them]

Betsararie

Running no procs in PvP and play a very high damage build. It is by my choice as I want my rotation and overall ability to be what gets me kills and avoids deaths, instead of my armor.

That said, I have no aversion to procs. Don't want them out of the game. If a proc comes around that is completely integral to my build, I'd use it and feel no shame doing so. But as it is now I play fine without them.

Procs are easily avoidable enough and by no means a death sentence. Even a NB viper/selene gank is completely livable. Can't even count the number of NBs who thought they had got me with their proc gank just for me to turn around and burst them down in roughly .01 seconds.

Procs sets are fine and are part of the game. Some are broken but it looks like that is largely being taken care of with the patch (hopefully). I would have no issue with running them in the future.

olsborg

None of the proccsets, at first glance anyway, is anywhere near the cancer of some of the existing ones like viper, selene and skoria.

Vaoh

It sucks that "procs" are a negative term now. You run a "proc" build. You killed me with "procs". HotR is introducing a slew of "proc sets". Are you ok with it?

All this means is you put on a set and now it creates something to make you more powerful instead of giving purely stats. The issue is that the masterminds of Zenimax thought it'd be a good idea to introduce proc sets that are extremely boring yet OP, dealing large amounts of damage on a cooldown that rival that of actual skills, and then making them stackable.

The only type of set that Zenimax needs to start looking into imo are sets that focus on buffing individual classes potential such as the sets from Diablo 3.

mvffins

Proc sets don't necessarily needs to be for DPS, I actually think it is time for newer utility proc sets as the ones most used have are the old monster helm ones.

DarkAedin

My personal view is that damage proc sets take no skill to use and hurts the learning curve of player skill.
I myself am trying to always improve and learn, but i find that player skill and learning ur class is losing traction fast vs learn how to set off all ur procs at once.

Just to clarify, no im not salty about proc dmg sets, i build around surviving the meta.
But im bothered that my fellow gamers are not up to par due to learning curve being negated bc of these sets. It doesnt make for fun pvp, in my opinion.

DarkAedin

Bbsample197 wrote: »

the procs of the upcoming new ones are rather disappointing

@Bbsample197 albeit, is this the direction we want zos to be going? Dont forget, all of these damage proc sets just add a ton of number crunching for the servers to do as well.

StormWylf

7. Too dang many sets already.

Morgul667

Im ok with it.

Proc sets trade some passive bonus for the equivalent of a new skill that procs on % of chance, they are fine with me provided they dont overpower other sets.

Rohamad_Ali

Most proc sets are worthless in group play . There are only a few that compliment a good group . I have not looked at pts so I will wait an see .

POps75p

proc sets are very good in a bunch of situations, although PVP is not one of them and either is CP, we would not have had any of the 1,000,000 million nerf's and all of the other BS if those were not allowed in PVP, keep it plain and simple for those that start to play 3 years after the game comes out. PVP and PVE should be treated as complete and separate.

long live proc sets

Dymence

The proc sets being implemented are pretty bad so I wouldn't worry about it?

DarkAedin

Dymence wrote: »

The proc sets being implemented are pretty bad so I wouldn't worry about it?

@Dymence what im worried about is that last dlc added proc dmg sets.This upcoming dlc is adding even more proc dmg sets. Its quite obvious which direction zos is leaning.
The question is: do we want them to come out with more and more DAMAGE proc sets? We know that these sets are part of the problem with lag. And they hinder skill developmebt by cruching players learning curve by giving them FREE DAMAGE.
My thoughts olare on the health of the game, and i already see player skill desolving.

DarkAedin

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

please show these new proc sets. [i haven't seen them]

@dwemer_paleologist take a look at pts patch notes

Dymence

DarkAedin wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

The proc sets being implemented are pretty bad so I wouldn't worry about it?

@Dymence what im worried about is that last dlc added proc dmg sets.This upcoming dlc is adding even more proc dmg sets. Its quite obvious which direction zos is leaning.
The question is: do we want them to come out with more and more DAMAGE proc sets? We know that these sets are part of the problem with lag. And they hinder skill developmebt by cruching players learning curve by giving them FREE DAMAGE.
My thoughts olare on the health of the game, and i already see player skill desolving.

Damage proc sets are fine as long as there is counterplay to them. None of this "deal x damage on hit" crap. Which is exactly the type of sets that are coming (sets with counterplay to them). So I'm not fussed about it. I think they learned from viper and tremorscale now, judging from the changes they made to them for update 15.

ofSunhold

I don't like my clothes to do any of my fighting.

Eh. Personal preferences. This is how it is, and I'll live with it. Buff-only sets are looking good right now, so there are still plenty of options.

Jitterbug

If something is a free kill someone will wear it... shrug... as long as it isnt as widespread as now.

DarkAedin

Dymence wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

The proc sets being implemented are pretty bad so I wouldn't worry about it?

@Dymence what im worried about is that last dlc added proc dmg sets.This upcoming dlc is adding even more proc dmg sets. Its quite obvious which direction zos is leaning.
The question is: do we want them to come out with more and more DAMAGE proc sets? We know that these sets are part of the problem with lag. And they hinder skill developmebt by cruching players learning curve by giving them FREE DAMAGE.
My thoughts olare on the health of the game, and i already see player skill desolving.

Damage proc sets are fine as long as there is counterplay to them. None of this "deal x damage on hit" crap. Which is exactly the type of sets that are coming (sets with counterplay to them). So I'm not fussed about it. I think they learned from viper and tremorscale now, judging from the changes they made to them for update 15.

Its not just about counter play. Its also about how this gear hinders the players learning curve for skill bc their armor is doing most of the work for them.
And these sets also contribute to lag - calculating this xtra dmg vs stats/cp against mutliple players.
All in all, in my eyes these sets cause more problems then help. Yet zos, in thier infinite wisdom, keeps pushing proc dmg sets. Just bc they "allegedly" learned thier lesson with counter play doesnt touch the other factors which are just as unhealthy for game survival - dealing with lag and the growth of player skill.

TequilaFire

olsborg wrote: »

None of the proccsets, at first glance anyway, is anywhere near the cancer of some of the existing ones like viper, selene and skoria.

Too bad there is nothing wrong with Skoria.

Jamascus

Morgul667 wrote: »

Im ok with it.

Proc sets trade some passive bonus for the equivalent of a new skill that procs on % of chance, they are fine with me provided they dont overpower other sets.

The worst offending proc sets don't have a % chance. Viper procs on melee damage done, every 4 seconds. It is however being reworked this patch to provide the damage over time, not all at once.

Cage_Lizardman

They're still not fixing Ice Furnace.

KingJ

You put this in the PVe section pretty much of the forum anyome who really cares won't pay attention and pvers dont care if something OP or broken because Mobs can't complain and if you instant kill a trial boss they be total fine with that.

Palidon

ZOS nerfs existing proc sets then turns around and introduces more. Their game is based almost entirely around farming. Thats why every DLC or Patch they nerf or change gear, skills, enchants, mundus stone buffs or the cp system. What that does is make existing BIS gear sets and builds obsolete and you have to start all over again and farm. A good example is this new DLC's Sharpend weapon trait nerf. They never messed with the Sharpend weapon trait until now. Sharpend weapons are now pretty much useless. Just think of all the players who have their sharpend weapons maxed out to gold.

karldavy149b16_ESO

all of the sets that are coming are so situational i cant be arsed .... if u wanna know where it is at
the demihaos set is pointless .. only worth the 200 damage incerase when it procs kenas is better the healer helm set wont proc until someones at 50% or less pretty sure be cool in pvp only as for the dropped items in the new dungeons ... sadly get blown away buy already excisting sets ... so dont be fooled by the introduction of new gear i can safely say new gear in this case does not = better

if u wanna know what to look for for this patch here it is below

5 x widowmaker +5 x torugs pact + charged + pioson on charged now that *** might not increase your top end damage but i can assure u it will definatly increase your low end numbers mofos will die pure and simple

Vipstaakki

We need more proc sets. I'm disappointed they only came up with so few.

DarkAedin

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

all of the sets that are coming are so situational i cant be arsed .... if u wanna know where it is at
the demihaos set is pointless .. only worth the 200 damage incerase when it procs kenas is better the healer helm set wont proc until someones at 50% or less pretty sure be cool in pvp only as for the dropped items in the new dungeons ... sadly get blown away buy already excisting sets ... so dont be fooled by the introduction of new gear i can safely say new gear in this case does not = better

if u wanna know what to look for for this patch here it is below

5 x widowmaker +5 x torugs pact + charged + pioson on charged now that *** might not increase your top end damage but i can assure u it will definatly increase your low end numbers mofos will die pure and simple

@karldavy149b16_ESO i feel that u missed the point of this thread entirely, but u make a perfect case for what im worried about. Running dmg proc set + set to boost dmg poison proc. Add a proc dmg monster set to that too and u have a proctard.
Which is exactly what im talking about.

The gear doing the work for the player. Player just has to light/heavy attack in order to do tons of dmg. And this obliterates any new player from growing in mechanic or skill knowledge, learning about their class, the game, etc etc.

zaria

Jamascus wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Im ok with it.

Proc sets trade some passive bonus for the equivalent of a new skill that procs on % of chance, they are fine with me provided they dont overpower other sets.

The worst offending proc sets don't have a % chance. Viper procs on melee damage done, every 4 seconds. It is however being reworked this patch to provide the damage over time, not all at once.

Yes, lots of other sets get an delay, this to make it avoidable in small scale pvp but has low impact on PvE.

Wifeaggro13

Proc is what happens when you fail to evolve your game systems and itemization.