Hybrid sets and skills

ShadowMole25

I am making a hybrid argonian sorc who I will be using in PvP. I am using Pelinal's Aptitude already, but what other crafted set would be good to pair with it. I am restricted to crafted sets because I don't have time to grind gear.

Also, I'm currently using the 2 sorc pets for healing, do sorcs have any better options?

I'm currently using a bow on my main bar because my plan in to use poison injection along with mages fury to target low health enemies. That was the inspiration for the character. My back bar isn't decided yet. My attributes are mostly in stamina with a few in magicka. This is so I can dodge roll as needed and pelinal will match my spell damage to weapon damage.

Current build plan, but its in the middle of changing so the sets don't make the most sense:
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=953

Thanks for any help.

Merlin13KAGL

That's going to be an unusual build. Pelinial's only affects your SD/WD tooltips. It won't affect your crit %'s. It won't affect your stat pools.

The stat pools are what determine the damage from both pets. You'll still get the flat % heal from the clanfear.

Offhand, I'd say you're going to want more penetration - both numbers are abysmally low, so spinner's as a possibility (not crated though).

Bear in mind, many sets are getting ready to change considerably.

EDIT: You also understand that you will desummon your pets the moment you bar swap with the current setup, right? You have to have the toggle's on both bars to have them remain active, and you're not going to have time nor magicka to cast/recast on the fly.

ShadowMole25

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

That's going to be an unusual build. Pelinial's only affects your SD/WD tooltips. It won't affect your crit %'s. It won't affect your stat pools.

The stat pools are what determine the damage from both pets. You'll still get the flat % heal from the clanfear.

Offhand, I'd say you're going to want more penetration - both numbers are abysmally low, so spinner's as a possibility (not crated though).

Bear in mind, many sets are getting ready to change considerably.

EDIT: You also understand that you will desummon your pets the moment you bar swap with the current setup, right? You have to have the toggle's on both bars to have them remain active, and you're not going to have time nor magicka to cast/recast on the fly.

Yes it is unusual but that's okay with me. Currently I'm in the sub-50 campaign and really only using my bow bar. I also started this build back when poison injection was the first bow skill, not the last so I'm not running my full build yet. Regardless, it is performing decently so far with me placing #9 on the leaderboard last night.

My problem is that I'm about to replace armor before I out level out and it becomes ineffective and I would like to have a better idea of my build before I do that.

Yes, I am aware of everything that you mentioned. My plan is to cut down to just 1 of the pets so that I have access to other skills. To do this, I need to find another skill that will help to heal me so that I don't have to rely on others as much.

Pelinals is working as I expected so far, but I need another set to pair with it. I'm not sure which weapon I want on my back bar yet, so that might go to a restoration staff. The reason I'm staying with crafted sets for now is that I don't have a lot of time to pay and would rather play PvP than grind dungeons for gear. It's just easier to pay someone to craft for me.

Merlin13KAGL

Well, here is detail on every craftable set currently in the game.

Stroll through, find the bonuses that would compliment your intended playstyle, and craft to your heart's content.

If your current built has gotten you #9 on the leaderboard, I'd say you're clearly doing something right. Run with it!

ShadowMole25

My current build in game is using night mother's and running dw on the back bar, rather than the seducer and lightning staff on the build link.

Your link is actually what I use for set information already. I am just looking for second opinions.

So night mother's gaze, shacklebreaker, willows path, redistributor, and clever alchemist are the sets I am looking at. I won't be able to use the five piece bonus because I need they for pelinals, so I'm not sure which set to go for.

I also need to decide on weapon for my back bar so that I will actually use i as well as find a better healing skill.

I may have gotten to #9, but not being able to heal effectively killed me a lot of times.

ShadowMole25

http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=953

So I realized that I can use dark conversion to replenish health and magicka, so i will use that to heal. I'm going to stick with a lightning staff so that I can stun from a distance with destructive reach.

I'm also on mobile right now so it's difficult to change items, but just replace all seducer items with willows path so I have extra regen.

I think that would be a little more effective.

Narvuntien

Well what you can do is have back bar for one 5 piece bonus and the front bar with Perenials So you can switch between the sets.

This works very well with clever alchemist since the buff stays but that is very much a ganking set.
You can do some very interesting things with a set up like that.
For example Trava's favor you can switch to your back bar roll around to charge your ultimate.
Way of the arena would allow you to switch to a defensive back bar and break free.
If you go through with a healing back bar then redistributor becomes very good.

I feel if you just want a constant 4 set bonus then shacklebreaker is the best option (for damage at least), but man that 5 piece is so attractive though.

With two crafted sets you can only get to 4 pieces, what will you use for jewelry?
Vengence leech? Noble duelist? Imperial physique?

Nestor

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Also, I'm currently using the 2 sorc pets for healing, do sorcs have any better options?

Yes, Critical Surge. Keep that up and have some decent Crit Chance and you should never die, unless your one shot. You can also use Power Surge and get more spell damage. Then there is Entropy which can have some nice benefits other than healing.

ShadowMole25

I really can't use 2 5 piece sets unless I go for dw or 1hand+shield or use non crafted sets. Also, I've never been concerned with jewelry due to never having an end game character. I just use whatever I have on me.

Where can I pick up jewelry easily for someone who really only does sub-50 PvP?

ShadowMole25

Nestor wrote: »

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Also, I'm currently using the 2 sorc pets for healing, do sorcs have any better options?

Yes, Critical Surge. Keep that up and have some decent Crit Chance and you should never die, unless your one shot. You can also use Power Surge and get more spell damage. Then there is Entropy which can have some nice benefits other than healing.

Is critical surge better than dark conversion? Most of my attributes will be in stamina so that I can dodge roll and use bow skills. (That is a playstyle choice that I can't compromise on.) This means I should have some spare stamina at times to turn into health and magicka.

Also what skill line is entropy under?

Nestor

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Where can I pick up jewelry easily for someone who really only does sub-50 PvP?

Dolmens.

Also, do a shout out in zone chat that you will buy leveling jewelry and you should be able to pick some up that way. Heck, you can even find some in Guild Kiosks. I have a set of Elegance Jewelery for every 10 levels, starting at 8 and ending in the low 40's.

ShadowMole25

Nestor wrote: »

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Where can I pick up jewelry easily for someone who really only does sub-50 PvP?

Dolmens.

Also, do a shout out in zone chat that you will buy leveling jewelry and you should be able to pick some up that way. Heck, you can even find some in Guild Kiosks. I have a set of Elegance Jewelery for every 10 levels, starting at 8 and ending in the low 40's.

Okay thanks. I've been playing for over 2 years but mainly doing sub-50 PvP because I find it to be very fun and because I keep wanting to test new character ideas. My main character is only at ~CP80.

Because of this, I become great at certain parts of the game, but don't know much about others.

Nestor

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Is critical surge better than dark conversion? Most of my attributes will be in stamina so that I can dodge roll and use bow skills. (That is a playstyle choice that I can't compromise on.) This means I should have some spare stamina at times to turn into health and magicka.

Also what skill line is entropy under?

Entropy is in the Mages Guild.

You mention Dodge Roll and having some Stamina left over....that's kind of funny....I only say that because my one stamina character was always sitting on 0 Stamina....

Anyway, back to Surge, unless I am one shot, I never go below 50% health if I have that up and running, even in Group Dungeons. I have even had healers tell me that they rarely have to heal me. Note my Sorcerers are Magic but that should only affect the Morph, as you would not want more spell power. Which means you get better heals.

ShadowMole25

My firsy 2 characters were stamblades so dodge rolling and cloaking were very effective defenses. I'm actually having an issue with my vamp magblade where I'm trying to roll out of multiple siege circles only to run out.

But I hope I can overcome that issue. Also this is my first sorc and I have only nbs before.

Anyway thanks for the advice.

Brrrofski

Honestly... You're going to do zero damage. Low stat pools, low spell/weapon damage, low crit and low pen.

Even the Stam regen is bad if you plan on using Stam skills.

Not trying to put a downer on your idea, but as long as skills scale of max stats, hybrids won't really work. The best built hybrid setup will sadly not compete with a thrown together build based in Stam or magica.

Even in the noob campaign, sure, you'll do ok. But anyone rolling a new toon with any knowledge on how to make a build and play will still have the edge. As soon as it's proper campaign time, you'll get smoked.

ShadowMole25

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honestly... You're going to do zero damage. Low stat pools, low spell/weapon damage, low crit and low pen.

Even the Stam regen is bad if you plan on using Stam skills.

Not trying to put a downer on your idea, but as long as skills scale of max stats, hybrids won't really work. The best built hybrid setup will sadly not compete with a thrown together build based in Stam or magica.

Even in the noob campaign, sure, you'll do ok. But anyone rolling a new toon with any knowledge on how to make a build and play will still have the edge. As soon as it's proper campaign time, you'll get smoked.

I understand that I'll into problems as I get to higher levels, but I keep making new characters to play in the sub-50 campaign because I don't the time to grind out gear/CP to be effective in veteran campaigns.

It also allows me to test fun ideas like and still be moderately successful. This character is meant to be able to survive solo, but will be more effective in a group where I can target low health enemies.

As long as I can be moderately effective with this build I will be happy. If I use critical surge as was suggested, I should be able to heal enough to where I am happy. Resources are currently an issue, but willows path should help to fix that.

ShadowMole25

So is this a little better?

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=953