Magicka Warden (PvP) - should be the goal balance wise in the future.

Torbschka

Hey guys,

just wanna say (and I actually never did that) : gj zeninax!

I feel they did a great job of the class, many people play it in a different way and with different builds/playstyles.

If u play as a solo magden, u have to work for ur kills (I dont talk about 5v1 cliff racer spam) and for ur build u have to make choices. The counterpart here would be magsorcs/stam nb, which are actually all the same to some degree.

I also like the aesthetics, but im based since I always play the shaman / druid.

What do u guys think of the warden class, cuz its out now for a while?

Greetings

RouDeR

Next patch my mag warden will have 60k magik its far away from balanced . Its broken asf . Ots literaly the most noobish class . High undodgable damage , Huge shields , high healing ,great ultigen MINor protection (stack with shields). Its a easy mode for newbies and one of the reasons is NECROPOTENCE they shud lower the 5 pc bonus to 3k or even less.

Ariades_swe

Torbschka wrote: »

Hey guys,

just wanna say (and I actually never did that) : gj zeninax!

I feel they did a great job of the class, many people play it in a different way and with different builds/playstyles.

If u play as a solo magden, u have to work for ur kills (I dont talk about 5v1 cliff racer spam) and for ur build u have to make choices. The counterpart here would be magsorcs/stam nb, which are actually all the same to some degree.

I also like the aesthetics, but im based since I always play the shaman / druid.

What do u guys think of the warden class, cuz its out now for a while?

Greetings

You on ps4 euro right?
Think I fought you yesterday:)
You really good compared to most magdens.
Rarely meet wardens on console that knows how to maximise the burst. They generally just spams birds which is super easy to not die to.

Adenoma

I love magicka warden. Next patch I'm running in no-CP with 40k magicka, 2.8k spell damage, 2.2k mag recovery, and 1.5k stam recovery with just major sorcery and potion buffs! To me that's absurd and it's even stronger in CP with slightly higher max stam and stamina recovery.

I love magicka warden and for those who run destro/resto it is a fun targeting challenge and timing challenge to plan your burst correctly. Necropotence enables a really tanky light armor build and then it just becomes a matter of selecting your sustain sets. Dampen magicka makes it easy to keep a huge shield up with near 100% uptime while still being on your DPS bar.

Kas

i think some of the part you praise are caused by a mix of things that combo well:
(1) shalk + x + cliff + instant for easy combos
(2) good tools to gain+generate ultimate + very nice ultis
(3) major + minor protection (at least for the duration of an ult) + leeching vines can make you VERY tanky

and aspects that are terrible together:
(1) healer and self-defense-buffer but at the same time fairly bad oh-*** selfheal - to an extend that makes healing ward very appealing - which, as a shield usually goes nicer with a second shield, a large magicka pool and NOT too much def and other sources of healing.
(2) major mending from healing a LOW LIFE target with a class-heal, whereas class heals are often much better to top people out and resto staff actually provides the better critical heals. okay, this point just makes the play a little more skill-based, which is good
(3) many DIFFERENT useful buffs make many builds a 1-2 skill spamming build

the problematic aspects listed at the bottom, lead to build diversity: whatever you do, you miss out on something. if you use the buffs and synergies to its full potential, you miss out on the great burst combo. if you take the burst, you're likely to ignore many of the healing-related mechanics and go for a oldschool, yet boring msorc/mnb like sort of def. if you play as a healer, you will quickly degenerate into healing springs + nice ult + a couple of buffs. imho repentence, bol and shards provide a little more depth to templar healers. if you go for stam, you are very likely to, again, go for very few active skills and spam those that you pick.

imho you can like this (because it leads to diversity), but you can also hate it (because each of the many diverse specs is rather straightforward an one dimensional in its playstyle)

Torbschka

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Hey guys,

just wanna say (and I actually never did that) : gj zeninax!

I feel they did a great job of the class, many people play it in a different way and with different builds/playstyles.

If u play as a solo magden, u have to work for ur kills (I dont talk about 5v1 cliff racer spam) and for ur build u have to make choices. The counterpart here would be magsorcs/stam nb, which are actually all the same to some degree.

I also like the aesthetics, but im based since I always play the shaman / druid.

What do u guys think of the warden class, cuz its out now for a while?

Greetings

You on ps4 euro right?
Think I fought you yesterday:)
You really good compared to most magdens.
Rarely meet wardens on console that knows how to maximise the burst. They generally just spams birds which is super easy to not die to.

Hey, yes I am! Thank you for the kind words, what is your ID?
Yes, sadly there are many wardens just running in groups spamming cliff racer, the reason why there are so many "nerf cliff racer" threads.. In a 1vX Im not able to spam anything, I have to time 1 burst which includes 1 cliff racer and maybe 1 after the "burst phase" - them its time for defense again^^

@Kas I know what u mean, good points and I can agree - its actually love or hate here. Personally I like it to make "decisions" , build and skill wise, yet I know that I could do "better in most situations" if I would just play magsorc. Which is why I started this thread. Although I have to say that I feel mag NB are very similar.

Ariades_swe

Torbschka wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Hey guys,

just wanna say (and I actually never did that) : gj zeninax!

I feel they did a great job of the class, many people play it in a different way and with different builds/playstyles.

If u play as a solo magden, u have to work for ur kills (I dont talk about 5v1 cliff racer spam) and for ur build u have to make choices. The counterpart here would be magsorcs/stam nb, which are actually all the same to some degree.

I also like the aesthetics, but im based since I always play the shaman / druid.

What do u guys think of the warden class, cuz its out now for a while?

Greetings

You on ps4 euro right?
Think I fought you yesterday:)
You really good compared to most magdens.
Rarely meet wardens on console that knows how to maximise the burst. They generally just spams birds which is super easy to not die to.

Hey, yes I am! Thank you for the kind words, what is your ID?
Yes, sadly there are many wardens just running in groups spamming cliff racer, the reason why there are so many "nerf cliff racer" threads.. In a 1vX Im not able to spam anything, I have to time 1 burst which includes 1 cliff racer and maybe 1 after the "burst phase" - them its time for defense again^^

@Kas I know what u mean, good points and I can agree - its actually love or hate here. Personally I like it to make "decisions" , build and skill wise, yet I know that I could do "better in most situations" if I would just play magsorc. Which is why I started this thread. Although I have to say that I feel mag NB are very similar.

Yeah I found the real challenge is to land the stun and maximise the burst when shields up.
I noticed you run soul assault. I will try that instead of northern storm.
I have a hard time finishing off good players at times so might need a better finishing ult than storm.
My id is Ariades74

Azurya

RouDeR wrote: »

Next patch my mag warden will have 60k magik its far away from balanced . Its broken asf . Ots literaly the most noobish class . High undodgable damage , Huge shields , high healing ,great ultigen MINor protection (stack with shields). Its a easy mode for newbies and one of the reasons is NECROPOTENCE they shud lower the 5 pc bonus to 3k or even less.

Nerf, we need an NERF, here a NERF again and there a NERF
Please ZOS NERF all
- abilities
- skills
- championpoints
- mundusstones
- traits
- classes
- racials
- and everything I may have forgotten!

PLEASE ZOS NERF ALL THIS NOW!!!

Waffennacht

Love my Warden, I have yet to find a build that I perform better with than Necro, Shackle, 1 monster.

I really wanna implement a monster set, but haven't had the same success.

I prefer the Warden to Sorc because of the available diversity in abilities. A mag Sorc is always gonna be Frag, Curse, Wrath and maybe a pulse/reach but that's it.

At least Wardens can mix it up.

In PvE I prefer being a healer on my Warden (though risky not being dps with PuGs) just diversity.

I love hearing:
Templars are easy mode
Sorcerers are easy mode
Wardens are easy mode

I really don't hear it with NBs or DKs, but give it time lol

sly007

Waffennacht wrote: »

Love my Warden, I have yet to find a build that I perform better with than Necro, Shackle, 1 monster.

I really wanna implement a monster set, but haven't had the same success.

I prefer the Warden to Sorc because of the available diversity in abilities. A mag Sorc is always gonna be Frag, Curse, Wrath and maybe a pulse/reach but that's it.

At least Wardens can mix it up.

In PvE I prefer being a healer on my Warden (though risky not being dps with PuGs) just diversity.

I love hearing:
Templars are easy mode
Sorcerers are easy mode
Wardens are easy mode

I really don't hear it with NBs or DKs, but give it time lol

Lol, how does a warden mix it up? A Warden is always going to use shalk just as sorcs use curse. Classes will always have their iconic skills.

My stamina warden is simply brilliant. My only complaint is the lack of synergy with the class passives. Besides that, excellent class.

Gan Xing

I run around with my hybrid warden (been playing my Hybrid DK for event), but I found ways to maximize burst using 2h, and staves

HeathenDeacon

Kas wrote: »

i think some of the part you praise are caused by a mix of things that combo well:
(1) shalk + x + cliff + instant for easy combos
(2) good tools to gain+generate ultimate + very nice ultis
(3) major + minor protection (at least for the duration of an ult) + leeching vines can make you VERY tanky

and aspects that are terrible together:
(1) healer and self-defense-buffer but at the same time fairly bad oh-*** selfheal - to an extend that makes healing ward very appealing - which, as a shield usually goes nicer with a second shield, a large magicka pool and NOT too much def and other sources of healing.
(2) major mending from healing a LOW LIFE target with a class-heal, whereas class heals are often much better to top people out and resto staff actually provides the better critical heals. okay, this point just makes the play a little more skill-based, which is good
(3) many DIFFERENT useful buffs make many builds a 1-2 skill spamming build

the problematic aspects listed at the bottom, lead to build diversity: whatever you do, you miss out on something. if you use the buffs and synergies to its full potential, you miss out on the great burst combo. if you take the burst, you're likely to ignore many of the healing-related mechanics and go for a oldschool, yet boring msorc/mnb like sort of def. if you play as a healer, you will quickly degenerate into healing springs + nice ult + a couple of buffs. imho repentence, bol and shards provide a little more depth to templar healers. if you go for stam, you are very likely to, again, go for very few active skills and spam those that you pick.

imho you can like this (because it leads to diversity), but you can also hate it (because each of the many diverse specs is rather straightforward an one dimensional in its playstyle)

+insightful.

Theres alot in this post i agree with.
Theres so many attractive options trying to synergize buffs that it almost pigeon holes you when it comes to damage.

I currently feel i have a very tight and succesful full burst dps build, but there is practically zero room for flexibilty even though so many skills have their own merits.

For example: i really, really want to build more around the NOrthern Storm Ulti, but there is really no way i can do it and not just push myself into a lower burst, more support tanky setup.
IE- if you've seen Feng Rush's healer build, its the one i keep thinking of how amazing it is to have all the great buffs, debuffs, ultimate tricks, heals, but man its real tough even getting some of that action with a pure dps setup.

i think alot of the dps issues with warden will always revovlve on the lack of an execute outside the bear, the bear needed double slotted, and the fact northen storm gives 8% max magic making it a must for certain builds. those 3 things really put you into one setup or the other with not much room in between.

Malamar1229

Waffennacht wrote: »

Love my Warden, I have yet to find a build that I perform better with than Necro, Shackle, 1 monster.

I really wanna implement a monster set, but haven't had the same success.

I prefer the Warden to Sorc because of the available diversity in abilities. A mag Sorc is always gonna be Frag, Curse, Wrath and maybe a pulse/reach but that's it.

At least Wardens can mix it up.

In PvE I prefer being a healer on my Warden (though risky not being dps with PuGs) just diversity.

I love hearing:
Templars are easy mode
Sorcerers are easy mode
Wardens are easy mode

I really don't hear it with NBs or DKs, but give it time lol

Traitor

Waffennacht

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Love my Warden, I have yet to find a build that I perform better with than Necro, Shackle, 1 monster.

I really wanna implement a monster set, but haven't had the same success.

I prefer the Warden to Sorc because of the available diversity in abilities. A mag Sorc is always gonna be Frag, Curse, Wrath and maybe a pulse/reach but that's it.

At least Wardens can mix it up.

In PvE I prefer being a healer on my Warden (though risky not being dps with PuGs) just diversity.

I love hearing:
Templars are easy mode
Sorcerers are easy mode
Wardens are easy mode

I really don't hear it with NBs or DKs, but give it time lol

Traitor

I love Sorcerers, I just don't enjoy being one anymore, two years man

Docmandu

Love my Warden too.. became my main when the class was released. Played Templar for a long time before that.. and sorc before those.

It can be a challenging class to play... it has many buffs, but keeping up those buffs during a fight requires attention and even choices. Same with the burst... class has a nice burst, but lack of a finisher means you have to time it well.. as anything with a resto staff will insta heal to full otherwise. (nerf resto ulti :P ).

KingYogi415

Gan Xing wrote: »

I run around with my hybrid warden (been playing my Hybrid DK for event), but I found ways to maximize burst using 2h, and staves

Did I just read the words "Hybrid" and "maximize burst" in the same sentence...

XD

Torbschka

Seems like a lot of people do like their warden, at least magicka. I have honestly no idea about stamden Though, but would probably play like a templar with shalks ?

HeathenDeacon

...one thing i forgot- they need to fix fetcher not procing skoria.
really want to use it in a build.

Waffennacht

Torbschka wrote: »

Seems like a lot of people do like their warden, at least magicka. I have honestly no idea about stamden Though, but would probably play like a templar with shalks ?

I see Stam warden being great. Hots, execute, dots, spot heal, spammable, CCs, mitigation ignoring ults, Dodge roll, shuffle. I mean it has access to everything.

I actually just broke a million damage in a BG on my mag warden