Aegis and Slayer buffs - in PvP?!

SirCritical

I was thinking about how to make trial gear more interesting for PvPers. Just a pure theoretical approach of course. What would happen if the 'dungeon-buffs' (Major and Minor Aegis and Slayer) would have an effect on players also? How could this be implemented to avoid gamechanger\gamebreaker result?

Everstorm

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

Pretty sure most PvP ppls want pvp to be about playerskill and not about geargrinding.

Beardimus

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

100% NO. (EDIT : CLEARLY I HAVE BADGER THUMBS I MEANT OTHER)

It's healthy to have different tools for different jobs, one size fits all just doesn't work. Would make the sets OP.

What's the requirement? Ie why suggest this?

Trials have no interest for me at all, last thing I want to do is to farm anything to go PvPing. (I am a PvEer by the way, trials are just dull)

It's good to need different setups. And PvP setups are easier to get sorted as it is. Trials meta BIS 0.01% gain must haves can stay in that niche!

Flat NO

Teridaxus

Might as well delete agility/willpower then...

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

Maybe I was misleading with the 4th option, because that would be a SUPPORTING choice. That would mean that these sets in their current status, without any changes/adjustments would fit to PvP. Sorry.

Feanor

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

Like we need more cheese gear for PvP...

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

Beardimus wrote: »

100% NO. (EDIT : CLEARLY I HAVE BADGER THUMBS I MEANT OTHER)

Ah, OK, thanks for editing I dunno how to make the poll to let us change our answers.

Betsararie

Agree, one size should NOT fit all.

We want pvp and pve gear to be distinctly different gear

Nurtharikja

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

Damn I misvoted too. Other: no. I have enough frustration over all the passive damage of pve-earned sets like Selene, Viper etc. Just ban from pvp all gear that is not earned in pvp or crafted. I'd be a superstar then!

Asmael

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

Depends on whether or not multipliers are fixed or not, whether Oblivion damage is affected or not...

Even then, most likely still extremely underpowered compared to other PvP gear options.

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

Nurtharikja wrote: »

Damn I misvoted too. Other: no. I have enough frustration over all the passive damage of pve-earned sets like Selene, Viper etc. Just ban from pvp all gear that is not crafted or earned in pvp. I'd be a superstar then!

Interesting. While this is off-topic, you would think it would be cool if we had PvP-crafted sets besides Assassin's Guile (are there any more?).

ofSunhold

In the current state of these buffs, this would ruin PvP.

Feanor wrote: »

Like we need more cheese gear for PvP...

Right? Or more BOP gear necessary for anything anywhere ever. If I liked to grind the same content over and over and over again I wouldn't be PvPing.

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

Asmael wrote: »

Depends on whether or not multipliers are fixed or not, whether Oblivion damage is affected or not...

Even then, most likely still extremely underpowered compared to other PvP gear options.

Yes, the same thoughts here, I think - except maybe Vicious Ophidian - none of the other trial sets would be OP.

redshirt_49

In the current state of these buffs, this would ruin PvP.

PvE sets shouldn't be usable in PvP at all. Separating the two would make life so much simpler for everyone.

And it would prevent one-shot kills because the RNG gods have blessed the Selene bearer with simultaneous procs on all their sets.

Asmael

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

SirCritical wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Depends on whether or not multipliers are fixed or not, whether Oblivion damage is affected or not...

Even then, most likely still extremely underpowered compared to other PvP gear options.

Yes, the same thoughts here, I think - except maybe Vicios Ophidian - none of the other trial sets would be OP.

Hundings outperforms VO as a pure damage set, even if you only benefit from the 5p only on your front bar in PvE. VO would indeed be some kind of more aggressive version of Marksman's crest, which would be a pretty decent option.

Agility or Willpower would be preferable over 3p VO or Moondancer, as the first ones provide literally the same damage (we're talking about an order of 1%) while also buffing the healing / defense - since Slayer doesn't help in this regard.

Aegis saw no use on any PvE build, same thing for PvP - reason being the way mitigation is calculated.

For short: making those set bonuses work in PvP would change basically nothing.

laksikus

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

There are already similar sets Reducing dmg

SodanTok

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

Where does this train of thought coming from tho. How do you sit and think, hey lets find a way to make endgame PVE gear that most PVP players are either unable or do not wanna grind for, more interesting for them.

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

I have some PvPer friends who I can't really make interested in trials. This 'train of thoughts' came from boredness of serversdown status

zyk

In the current state of these buffs, this would ruin PvP.

SirCritical wrote: »

I have some PvPer friends who I can't really make interested in trials. This 'train of thoughts' came from boredness of serversdown status

Ohhh... So you want to force them do something they're not otherwise interested in to remain competitive in PVP. Nice friend.

cokkto

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

Ppl who eager for capture castles don't have to suffer in trials

Ppl who eager to kill only virtual characters should not be forced to pvp

Don't mix pvp and pve with gear, absolutely no

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

zyk wrote: »

SirCritical wrote: »

I have some PvPer friends who I can't really make interested in trials. This 'train of thoughts' came from boredness of serversdown status

Ohhh... So you want to force them do something they're not otherwise interested in to remain competitive in PVP. Nice friend.

I said 'interested' in doing something. Never forced anyone to do anything

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

cokkto wrote: »

Ppl who eager for capture castles don't have to suffer in trials

Ppl who eager to kill only virtual characters should not be forced to pvp

Don't mix pvp and pve with gear, absolutely no

True. These scenes should have been separated. Sadly they aren't now.

Beardimus

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

I also kinda like gearing up for different things. I feel I'm in a rolling up montage lol. PvE, PvP, Duels, Non CP etc.

Locking gear behind content people don't want to play also frustrates people

Khenarthi

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

I don't think someone who loves PVP would happily spend hours upon hours grinding for gear in a trial, even if trial sets became interesting for PVP.

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

Beardimus wrote: »

I also kinda like gearing up for different things. I feel I'm in a rolling up montage lol. PvE, PvP, Duels, Non CP etc.

Locking gear behind content people don't want to play also frustrates people

Thanks for sharing your opinion, this could be true, again.

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

Khenarthi wrote: »

I don't think someone who loves PVP would happily spend hours upon hours grinding for gear in a trial, even if trial sets became interesting for PVP.

Yes, as a mainly PvEer, I think the same when I 'have to' go to Cyro. Thanks.

bebynnag

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

im OK with my trial gear being completley re-worked ( that i spent months grinding for in normal pugs) if PvP gear that currently only effects enemy players will work on PvE mobs

cant wait to mNB bomb my way through vMA!

code65536

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

5% isn't that much, though. Yes, 3p Minor Slayer is better than 3p Willpower/Agility, but just barely. Having the bonuses everywhere in the game isn't going to cause any issues of balance.

That having been said, I do like the flavor offered by domain-specific sets. There are PvP sets that have bonuses that apply only when fighting other players, and it makes sense to have similar PvE sets, so I see no reason to change the status quo. But there isn't going to be any sort of balance issue if the status quo is changed.

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

im OK with my trial gear being completley re-worked ( that i spent months grinding for in normal pugs) if PvP gear that currently only effects enemy players will work on PvE mobs

cant wait to mNB bomb my way through vMA!

Wow, this would be interesting!

SirCritical

Since these are obtainable just from trials (needs group, needs farming etc. so collecting them means some issues) even the current status would be acceptable.

code65536 wrote: »

5% isn't that much, though. Yes, 3p Minor Slayer is better than 3p Willpower/Agility, but just barely. Having the bonuses everywhere in the game isn't going to cause any issues of balance.

That having been said, I do like the flavor offered by domain-specific sets. There are PvP sets that have bonuses that apply only when fighting other players, and it makes sense to have similar PvE sets, so I see no reason to change the status quo. But there isn't going to be any sort of balance issue if the status quo is changed.

Thanks for your response, I'm more for 'all-purpose' sets, but I'm not against 'domain-specific', also

Merlin13KAGL

Other (please explain, I'm curious)

How about "No?"

Lack of separation of PvP effects on PvE and vice versa are one of the biggest issues resulting in the 'balance changes' we experience on a regular basis now.

There is PvP specific gear. There is PvE specific gear. Leave them the hell alone and they don't have to try to balance said gear for both instances (an impossibility).

It also further isolates players by requiring certain BiS gear. You shouldn't have to have access to or farm content to be viable any more than you do right now.