Changes to stamina

Rataroto

Can we have Expert Hunter do something? Like anything, either make it so one of the morphs increasses max stamina, and the other increasses the range, just like magelight. Or just add a damage component to it please, the skill is literally useless.

Also can we have Debilitate(Cripple Morph) be a stamina morph, almost no magicka users use it, and it would make a nice adition to stamblade.
The other change to stamblade would probably be to make the passive "Magicka Flood" into "Energy Flood", and have it increasse both max magicka AND max stamina by 8%

GreenSoup2HoT

Well you get 10% crit and 3% weapon damage for having it slotted.

It would be nice if we got something more though. Like camo hunter giving you minor beserk for a longer period of time after you stealth crit. Expert Hunter is kinda lame since you don't really get value using fighters guild abilities with the cost reduction compared to just not using expert hunter in the first place.

SodanTok

It is funny how much worse they are comparing literally same skill from mages guild. Both passives wise and morph effect.
It has been how long since 'revamp' that destroyed it and nothing changed. Evil Hunter morph does not even make sense and Camouflaged Hunter grants gankers what 99% of them (nightblades) already have.

Solariken

Expert Hunter should give Major Brutality for 20s on cast and get rid of the stupid stealth reveal that barely works. Magelight is better for stealth reveal anyway.

SirSocke

Solariken wrote: »

Expert Hunter should give Major Brutality for 20s on cast and get rid of the stupid stealth reveal that barely works. Magelight is better for stealth reveal anyway.

Yeah, a source of major brutality! I slot it.

KingJ

Just making it the stam version of magelight would be cool it increase max stam by 5%.Zos said fighter guild is stam version of mages guild when they change dawnbreaker to physical damage.Making expert hunter more useful would put it on more people bar.On my Nb I wouod rather use crit pots.

Izaki

Oh hell yeah, make Evil Hunter give 5% max stamina for sure.

And I'm all for Debilitate to become stamina.

Solariken

Max stamina would be nice but if push came to shove I would rather have a source of Major Brutality that isn't bound to a weapon line.

Bobby_V_Rockit

5% extra stam would be nice and fair

Rataroto

Honestly, Major Brutality/Major Savagery can be aquired trough potions. Thought I agree, anything is better than the current effect.

GeorgeBlack

There are 4 stamina weapon skill lines
2 magika weapon skill lines
And 15 Class skill lines with 90% of magika morphs.

Can we get some more stamina class skills plz?

Solariken

Rataroto wrote: »

Honestly, Major Brutality/Major Savagery can be aquired trough potions. Thought I agree, anything is better than the current effect.

That's fine for PvE but using weapon power potions is a poor choice in PvP. You are gimping yourself hard by not using immov/hp/resource pots IMO.

TimeDazzler

I disagree with giving it some sort of major buff, I think the active effect should be completely reworked instead.

Rataroto

Solariken wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

Honestly, Major Brutality/Major Savagery can be aquired trough potions. Thought I agree, anything is better than the current effect.

That's fine for PvE but using weapon power potions is a poor choice in PvP. You are gimping yourself hard by not using immov/hp/resource pots IMO.

True, true. But you gotta remember, RALLY is an EXTREME heal, and I think most people wouldn't drop it. I'd be happier seeing it do some kind of damage or any other effect tbh.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Solariken wrote: »

Max stamina would be nice but if push came to shove I would rather have a source of Major Brutality that isn't bound to a weapon line.

Literally every class but templars has this.

Ep1kMalware

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Max stamina would be nice but if push came to shove I would rather have a source of Major Brutality that isn't bound to a weapon line.

Literally every class but templars has this.

Yeh. Tbh if you're using dw you're using pots. If ur using 2h you're probably using rally. A passive effect would be nice..

GeorgeBlack

So... mage light helps you avoid getting stunned from sneaky enemies and you my fellow stamina users want to get passive Maj Brut from Expert Hunter, even though we have good access to Maj Brut from many sources??
Come on..

SirSocke

Not passive, activate hunter to get major brutality, that's what it is talked about...
I think something like that would be great, because you'll not be forced to use 2h anymore.

Bobby_V_Rockit

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

So... mage light helps you avoid getting stunned from sneaky enemies and you my fellow stamina users want to get passive Maj Brut from Expert Hunter, even though we have good access to Maj Brut from many sources??
Come on..

Meh, major brutality comes from so many skills already (rally, surge, hidden blade, etc.) I just want the 5% stam boost same as mage light gets for magicka.

idk

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

So... mage light helps you avoid getting stunned from sneaky enemies and you my fellow stamina users want to get passive Maj Brut from Expert Hunter, even though we have good access to Maj Brut from many sources??
Come on..

Meh, major brutality comes from so many skills already (rally, surge, hidden blade, etc.) I just want the 5% stam boost same as mage light gets for magicka.

@Bobby_V_Rockit @Rataroto

Mage Light does the exact same thing for Magicka Expert Hunter does for stam. Increases the respective crit rating and when activated reveals players in stealth within a 5 meter radius and they cannot return to stealth for x seconds.

The respective morphs for each add an additional function. One morph of Evil Hunter increases damage from stealth. Granted, I do not know the use of the other morph, maybe it should be changed to be more in line with Radiant Magelight and increase the range of detection as well as reduced the effect of being attacked out of stealth.

Bobby_V_Rockit

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

False, Inner Light boosts spell crit AND adds 5% magicka. Expert hunter has no such utility and lasts for mere seconds. Make it a like Inner Light and allow the crit plus the 5% stamina while slotted.
The two skills are horrendously out of balance.

Inner Light: Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 10.
While slotted, your Max Magicka is increased by 5%.

idk

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

False, Inner Light boosts spell crit AND adds 5% magicka. Expert hunter has no such utility and lasts for mere seconds. Make it a like Inner Light and allow the crit plus the 5% stamina while slotted.
The two skills are horrendously out of balance.

Inner Light: Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 10.
While slotted, your Max Magicka is increased by 5%.

@Bobby_V_Rockit

I suggest you double check what I said. My statement is correct in every aspect.

EDIT: in fact, your previous statement was about Magelight and is factually incorrect. Magelight decreases max magicka by 5%.

For easy reference.

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

So... mage light helps you avoid getting stunned from sneaky enemies and you my fellow stamina users want to get passive Maj Brut from Expert Hunter, even though we have good access to Maj Brut from many sources??
Come on..

Meh, major brutality comes from so many skills already (rally, surge, hidden blade, etc.) I just want the 5% stam boost same as mage light gets for magicka.

idk

BTW, some in PvP may not like their skill changed from doing some initial damage when attacking from stealth. That would be the likely morph to change if we want to homogenize the skills.

RoyJade

While I would like to see some change to expert hunter and morph, being a mirror of inner light seem bad IMO.
Giving major brutality for expert hunter may be a good idea for non-THL pve (or when potions cost too much and you don't want a score) and for DW/bow pvp (or double DW, or double bow…), and each morphs should get other advantages.

Minor berserk from the first morph should be given either if we crit attack from steal (5 seconds) or if we reveal an enemy (20 seconds). It'll give it more versatility and utility, even more if the detection radius is boosted.
For the other morph, the cost reduction is ridiculous. It should add either some damage or seriously boost all the fighter guild's skills (perhaps less for dawnbreaker, same as daedric prey for sorc's summons), for example 40% more and 20% for dawnbreaker, and why not all values doubled against vampires and werewolves (or a 10% additional damage for all your skills against WW/vamps/daedra) for 10/20 seconds.

Change it, but make it unique.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

False, Inner Light boosts spell crit AND adds 5% magicka. Expert hunter has no such utility and lasts for mere seconds. Make it a like Inner Light and allow the crit plus the 5% stamina while slotted.
The two skills are horrendously out of balance.

Inner Light: Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 10.
While slotted, your Max Magicka is increased by 5%.

@Bobby_V_Rockit

I suggest you double check what I said. My statement is correct in every aspect.

EDIT: in fact, your previous statement was about Magelight and is factually incorrect. Magelight decreases max magicka by 5%.

For easy reference.

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

So... mage light helps you avoid getting stunned from sneaky enemies and you my fellow stamina users want to get passive Maj Brut from Expert Hunter, even though we have good access to Maj Brut from many sources??
Come on..

Meh, major brutality comes from so many skills already (rally, surge, hidden blade, etc.) I just want the 5% stam boost same as mage light gets for magicka.

My bad, Magelight does effectively reduce it by 5%. However the Inner Light morph increases it by 5% while slotted

Rataroto

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

So... mage light helps you avoid getting stunned from sneaky enemies and you my fellow stamina users want to get passive Maj Brut from Expert Hunter, even though we have good access to Maj Brut from many sources??
Come on..

Meh, major brutality comes from so many skills already (rally, surge, hidden blade, etc.) I just want the 5% stam boost same as mage light gets for magicka.

@Bobby_V_Rockit @Rataroto

Mage Light does the exact same thing for Magicka Expert Hunter does for stam. Increases the respective crit rating and when activated reveals players in stealth within a 5 meter radius and they cannot return to stealth for x seconds.

The respective morphs for each add an additional function. One morph of Evil Hunter increases damage from stealth. Granted, I do not know the use of the other morph, maybe it should be changed to be more in line with Radiant Magelight and increase the range of detection as well as reduced the effect of being attacked out of stealth.

wrong, evil hunter WHEN active reduces the cost of other figthers guild abilities, only stamina costs, so no ultimate. Cammo hunter, when you CRITCLY hit someone FROM CROUCH, gives you MINOR berserk for 8 seconds, and considering most gankers are nightblades, no ofense, we have the same buff for free for 20 seconds...

Rataroto

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

False, Inner Light boosts spell crit AND adds 5% magicka. Expert hunter has no such utility and lasts for mere seconds. Make it a like Inner Light and allow the crit plus the 5% stamina while slotted.
The two skills are horrendously out of balance.

Inner Light: Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 10.
While slotted, your Max Magicka is increased by 5%.

@Bobby_V_Rockit

I suggest you double check what I said. My statement is correct in every aspect.

EDIT: in fact, your previous statement was about Magelight and is factually incorrect. Magelight decreases max magicka by 5%.

For easy reference.

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

So... mage light helps you avoid getting stunned from sneaky enemies and you my fellow stamina users want to get passive Maj Brut from Expert Hunter, even though we have good access to Maj Brut from many sources??
Come on..

Meh, major brutality comes from so many skills already (rally, surge, hidden blade, etc.) I just want the 5% stam boost same as mage light gets for magicka.

Decreasses? jesus, L2Read

Qbiken

I remember when expert hunter gave you a change to do additional dmg to deadric creatures when slotted.

Vaoh

Solariken wrote: »

Expert Hunter should give Major Brutality for 20s on cast and get rid of the stupid stealth reveal that barely works. Magelight is better for stealth reveal anyway.

^^would be great. Surprised it doesn't work this way

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

False, Inner Light boosts spell crit AND adds 5% magicka. Expert hunter has no such utility and lasts for mere seconds. Make it a like Inner Light and allow the crit plus the 5% stamina while slotted.
The two skills are horrendously out of balance.

Inner Light: Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 10.
While slotted, your Max Magicka is increased by 5%.

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Oh hell yeah, make Evil Hunter give 5% max stamina for sure.

And I'm all for Debilitate to become stamina.

Problem here is simple - when do we get to the point where every class and Mag/Stam spec are just flat out copies of each other? At one point Stamina was almost given a damage shield as well...

• Magicka focuses on building from Class skills with just a few Weapon Skills
• Stamina focuses on building from Weapon Skills with a handful of Class Skills

^ This is the way it has been, but if Stamina is given so many Class morphs enough to not use their Weapon skills much anymore then everything is the same Debilitate would make a good Stam morph, as well as Growing Swarm for Stamina Warden, but I can't really support either of those considering the issue we already have of Mag/Stam slotting many of the same skills with different morphs to determine scaling

Also this 90% of Class Skills are Magicka situation is nonsense.... those skills cover the role of Healing, Tanking, and general Support. It also covers all buffs and utility skills, which Stamina users slot to buff themselves and burn Magicka. A 50/50 or even 60/40, 70/30 distribution would crush Magicka and pidgeonhole all of them into a single build. Think what would happen if Magicka builds had every morph choice removed.... it'd be gross how stale the game became.

I want that 3rd morph the Devs once said they were interested in.

Rataroto

Vaoh wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Expert Hunter should give Major Brutality for 20s on cast and get rid of the stupid stealth reveal that barely works. Magelight is better for stealth reveal anyway.

^^would be great. Surprised it doesn't work this way

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

False, Inner Light boosts spell crit AND adds 5% magicka. Expert hunter has no such utility and lasts for mere seconds. Make it a like Inner Light and allow the crit plus the 5% stamina while slotted.
The two skills are horrendously out of balance.

Inner Light: Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 10.
While slotted, your Max Magicka is increased by 5%.

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Oh hell yeah, make Evil Hunter give 5% max stamina for sure.

And I'm all for Debilitate to become stamina.

Problem here is simple - when do we get to the point where every class and Mag/Stam spec are just flat out copies of each other? At one point Stamina was almost given a damage shield as well...

• Magicka focuses on building from Class skills with just a few Weapon Skills
• Stamina focuses on building from Weapon Skills with a handful of Class Skills

^ This is the way it has been, but if Stamina is given so many Class morphs enough to not use their Weapon skills much anymore then everything is the same Debilitate would make a good Stam morph, as well as Growing Swarm for Stamina Warden, but I can't really support either of those considering the issue we already have of Mag/Stam slotting many of the same skills with different morphs to determine scaling

Also this 90% of Class Skills are Magicka situation is nonsense.... those skills cover the role of Healing, Tanking, and general Support. It also covers all buffs and utility skills, which Stamina users slot to buff themselves and burn Magicka. A 50/50 or even 60/40, 70/30 distribution would crush Magicka and pidgeonhole all of them into a single build. Think what would happen if Magicka builds had every morph choice removed.... it'd be gross how stale the game became.

I want that 3rd morph the Devs once said they were interested in.

ZOS said many things xD

SodanTok

Vaoh wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Expert Hunter should give Major Brutality for 20s on cast and get rid of the stupid stealth reveal that barely works. Magelight is better for stealth reveal anyway.

^^would be great. Surprised it doesn't work this way

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

False, Inner Light boosts spell crit AND adds 5% magicka. Expert hunter has no such utility and lasts for mere seconds. Make it a like Inner Light and allow the crit plus the 5% stamina while slotted.
The two skills are horrendously out of balance.

Inner Light: Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 10.
While slotted, your Max Magicka is increased by 5%.

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Oh hell yeah, make Evil Hunter give 5% max stamina for sure.

And I'm all for Debilitate to become stamina.

Problem here is simple - when do we get to the point where every class and Mag/Stam spec are just flat out copies of each other? At one point Stamina was almost given a damage shield as well...

• Magicka focuses on building from Class skills with just a few Weapon Skills
• Stamina focuses on building from Weapon Skills with a handful of Class Skills

^ This is the way it has been, but if Stamina is given so many Class morphs enough to not use their Weapon skills much anymore then everything is the same Debilitate would make a good Stam morph, as well as Growing Swarm for Stamina Warden, but I can't really support either of those considering the issue we already have of Mag/Stam slotting many of the same skills with different morphs to determine scaling

Also this 90% of Class Skills are Magicka situation is nonsense.... those skills cover the role of Healing, Tanking, and general Support. It also covers all buffs and utility skills, which Stamina users slot to buff themselves and burn Magicka. A 50/50 or even 60/40, 70/30 distribution would crush Magicka and pidgeonhole all of them into a single build. Think what would happen if Magicka builds had every morph choice removed.... it'd be gross how stale the game became.

I want that 3rd morph the Devs once said they were interested in.

Agree mostly, but definitely on the point of not simply making exact copy of skill (stamina inner light), but there should be some at least comparable bonuses from skills that function very similiar. Basically at least one morph of expert hunter should get some offensive (and imo passive) effect to make them worth slotting. Major brutali sound good and useful for some builds, but it does not make it in any way close to good as magelight.
So keeping it unique sure, but it should be viable choice to slot it. Currently one morph is very unique, but very bad (-cost) and second morph is maybe unique in working, but ultimate targeted at 'audience' that already has the same buff