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Enough With the Nightblade Nonsense

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Ch4mpTW
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I'm so damn tired of reading people complaining and whining about Nightblades. Nightblades are so weak this. Nightblades have trash DPS that. Nightblades too squishy to excel at doing this. My Nightblade can't kill that.

Ugh! Enough!

If Nightblades are so damn weak, then why is it that Nightblades were the first class to hit a 600k score in VMA? Why is it that the whole: Viper, Selene, etc. proc nonsense spiraled out of control from ProcBlades? Why do I always see more Nightblades in Cyrodiil and asking to duel people, than any other class? Why is it that VMA is dramatically more easier with a Nightblade than any other class? Why does a Nightblade have access to: High mobility with NO penalty, an execute, the ability to go in and out of stealth at will causing crap to miss, the highest burst damage whether magicka or stamina, etc. if they are so bad? Why are people STILL as of July 2017 still recommending to new players to make Nightblades, if they are such a weak and trashy class? Why can I sustain dramatically better on a Nightblade, than I can on a Sorc or DK? And heal better? Why are Nightblades able to have access to pets, when they already have numerous tools to deal with things? Meanwhile DK's and Templars don't even have mobility and or an execute. Yet Nightblades have them in spades? Why doesn't any other class have any berserk buffs? Why are Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild DLC's pretty much aimed at strictly Nightblades, because of their stealth benefits?

Right. Because at the end of the day, Nightblades are not in that bad of a shape as the forums like to parrot and whine about that they are in. Be it PvE or PvP. What it is, is that there are more Nightblades than anyone else. And because it is the assassin/rogue class, it gains it's popularity. Thus attracting more people to it. And because it is such a favorite, you want it constantly buffed and buffed until the point it gets completely out of hand.

In other words... You Nightblade whiners are literally the D.VA and Genji players, if this were Overwatch. You whine all day on the forums about how weak you are, and how certain things are so op until they get killed off entirely like Roadhog. Or in this case, Dragonknights or Sorcs. You will not be satisfied until those 2 classes are dead. Completely null and void of any type of fields of success. And I hate it. I don't dislike it. I hate it. And I'm thoroughly disgusted by the bs. It's been going on for months, and the devs have been back after back entertaining that crap for far too long. You want to whine and complain about something? Whine and complain about why it is that Wardens are a brand new class, and how all three tantrum after tantrum until the devs made them trash damage dealers. And sub-optimal healers to Templars. Whine about that. /EndRant /Logoff
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  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    @Strider_Roshin Could tell you a couple of things StamNB is lacking. They lack quite a few things compared to other classes in PvE and are not nearly as desirable in group play.

    StamNB gets the most mileage out of those proc sets we can agree on that. However I guarantee you they have quite the learning curve when it comes to PvP, and not using those proc sets. Me personally, I've been there, done that even in PC patch 1.5! Was horrid honestly.

    I do believe StamNB and MagNB need their soap boxes to debate and discuss the problems the class has. Because they are numerous and we need to make these play styles better in all aspects of play.
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  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    Vicious Death and Eye of the Storm got out of hand because of which class...? Actually, before Eye of the Storm. Just VD. It was because of which class nuking groups? Nightblades. Yep. That's right. Wasn't Sorcerer doing it. Damn sure wasn't DK's or Templars.

    Have you seen SillyGamerTag_'s DK or Zeus' DK? Both use EoTS on their DK's and I've seen both wreck groups with it.
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    Publius_Scipio wrote: »
    I've been saying for a long time now, NBs can be (very) strong if using the meta or a very close variation of the meta. NBs in my opinion don't have the same breadth of viability that the other classes (not sure about wardens) have. Templar for example can be pretty strong in PvE and PvP even if not running some super optimized meta. NBs unfortunately are either benefiting from regen/sustain meta or they aren't. And if they aren't NBs, especially stam, are not impressive in PvE and in PvP won't be able to do anything to these tanky DKs, templars, mag sorcs. It's meta or die for most NBs.

    But again, if you are running the meta NBs will have many people they kill saying they are "op" and annoying. Quite frankly a lot of the NBs I see around now are very similar. Not a lot of variation.

    Right, because we don't have the luxury to build towards anything not considered meta. Not without seriously gimping ourselves in the process.

    We have some of the most powerful buffs that assist only us which is OK, but also our biggest weakness. We absolutely have to use 1 ability, cloak to pull out this tool set. So all of our play-styles basically focus on, whether or not I'm going to slot and use cloak -- both offensively and defensively.
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    rhapsodious wrote: »
    I know I'm taking the bait but I can't help it.
    You go get me ANY class that can nuke someone as fast as a Nightblade. Any class. Magicka or stamina. And is extremely beginner friendly while doing so.

    Stamblades are notoriously squishy as hell and Vigor is a requirement. (I don't know if Leeching Strikes rework changed this significantly, but pre-Morrowind that was definitely true) So uh.

    Yes, IMO Leeching Strikes helped A LOT.
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    Kaymorolis wrote: »
    rhapsodious wrote: »
    I know I'm taking the bait but I can't help it.
    You go get me ANY class that can nuke someone as fast as a Nightblade. Any class. Magicka or stamina. And is extremely beginner friendly while doing so.

    Stamblades are notoriously squishy as hell and Vigor is a requirement. (I don't know if Leeching Strikes rework changed this significantly, but pre-Morrowind that was definitely true) So uh.

    Yes, IMO Leeching Strikes helped A LOT.

    Co-signed my agree onto this. The fact that we can stack Rally Heals, Leeching, Vigor is a very nice boon for us. This way we can use Leeching to continuously attack our target to get heals(which is what we want so we don't die), then get assist heals from Rally/Vigor. It ups our survivalibilty, not a whole lot, but definitely a plus to slot Leeching.
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    NB has some abilities that are very weak and certain playstyles lack the necessary tools to perform optimally.
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    Of course OP spouts off PvP nonsense as the reason why NB's are "strong", completely missing the point about NB's being in a less than useful state in PvE. PvP does't matter because in that highly restricted environment you burst down the enemy in 2-3 secs, at which point sustain no longer matters.

    In PvE, a fight lasts several minutes and there are FAR more targets to deal with at a time. Also, in PvP all non-NB players are in zergs so sustain isn't a problem because you have 20+ people firing at your target with you so everything dies instantly.
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  • MDiCaro
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    InFernalEntity wrote: »
    NightBlade is beginner friendly? This has to be a troll.

    If you want to do solo/duo in Cyrodil then by far the most forgiving style of play is ganking, when you can gank on a class that can also pretty easily disengage if the gank fails then well, it is simply laughably ez-mode, and very beginner friendly, and also a fine example of why PvP in most MMORPGs is regarded as a joke.

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    What are you even talking about? There are more people complaining about their wardens atm than people unhappy with where NB is at. There are always a lot more people whining about NBs than NBs whining. And lots of people believe their favored class has it the hardest -- you even see sorcs make that argument ffs. Why single out NBs?

    An interesting thing I've noticed though: DKs don't complain much about their class. Even when they have good cause. I keep trying to come up with a working theory about why this is, but so far it's just a mystery.
    Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.
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    InFernalEntity wrote: »
    NightBlade is beginner friendly? This has to be a troll.

    First and 2nd Solo outtings on a Nightblade.





    That's with nearly no experience, nor video watching time.

    Any other class, I'd be dead dead dead dead 0 - 20 solo.

    So yeah Proc/Bomb-Blades are highly noob friendly and takes little to no actually knowledge of the class to be somewhat successful with it.

    Nightblades, is ESO's version of Summoner from Blade and Soul. Only difference is in ESO. Nightblades has overlapping features to cover up it's drawbacks, and risk of death.

    Enjoy :smile: I might be back to speak to you guys next week. MAYBE
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    I'm so damn tired of reading people complaining and whining about Nightblades. Nightblades are so weak this. Nightblades have trash DPS that. Nightblades too squishy to excel at doing this. My Nightblade can't kill that.

    Ugh! Enough!

    If Nightblades are so damn weak, then why is it that Nightblades were the first class to hit a 600k score in VMA? Why is it that the whole: Viper, Selene, etc. proc nonsense spiraled out of control from ProcBlades? Why do I always see more Nightblades in Cyrodiil and asking to duel people, than any other class? Why is it that VMA is dramatically more easier with a Nightblade than any other class? Why does a Nightblade have access to: High mobility with NO penalty, an execute, the ability to go in and out of stealth at will causing crap to miss, the highest burst damage whether magicka or stamina, etc. if they are so bad? Why are people STILL as of July 2017 still recommending to new players to make Nightblades, if they are such a weak and trashy class? Why can I sustain dramatically better on a Nightblade, than I can on a Sorc or DK? And heal better? Why are Nightblades able to have access to pets, when they already have numerous tools to deal with things? Meanwhile DK's and Templars don't even have mobility and or an execute. Yet Nightblades have them in spades? Why doesn't any other class have any berserk buffs? Why are Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild DLC's pretty much aimed at strictly Nightblades, because of their stealth benefits?

    Right. Because at the end of the day, Nightblades are not in that bad of a shape as the forums like to parrot and whine about that they are in. Be it PvE or PvP. What it is, is that there are more Nightblades than anyone else. And because it is the assassin/rogue class, it gains it's popularity. Thus attracting more people to it. And because it is such a favorite, you want it constantly buffed and buffed until the point it gets completely out of hand.

    In other words... You Nightblade whiners are literally the D.VA and Genji players, if this were Overwatch. You whine all day on the forums about how weak you are, and how certain things are so op until they get killed off entirely like Roadhog. Or in this case, Dragonknights or Sorcs. You will not be satisfied until those 2 classes are dead. Completely null and void of any type of fields of success. And I hate it. I don't dislike it. I hate it. And I'm thoroughly disgusted by the bs. It's been going on for months, and the devs have been back after back entertaining that crap for far too long. You want to whine and complain about something? Whine and complain about why it is that Wardens are a brand new class, and how all three tantrum after tantrum until the devs made them trash damage dealers. And sub-optimal healers to Templars. Whine about that. /EndRant /Logoff
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    Phinix1 wrote: »
    It's why I refuse to even try to make PVP work. There is no way to make it work. It is a totally uninspired gank and spank with absolutely nothing to offer me in terms of fun or entertainment.

    Why do people gank crafters and other defenseless people that post NO CHALLENGE and require NO SKILL just going about their day doing what THEY find fun? Not because they're skilled or enjoy skilled paly. Why do people camp quest givers? Why do people spam duel invites to tank builds or people obviously not set up to PVP? Why do people go out of their way to find ANY way they can to grief?

    This is the reason I like Non-Vet PVP. WIthout CP, Proc and Monster sets it's almost impossible to successfully gank someone. Had plenty of people try, but they usually get wrecked after only taking about 1/3rd - 1/2 of your health.

    I also agree on the duel invites. Got challenged once while i was setup as healer and only had 2 damage abilities on my bars (Shards and RD). It was funny when I actually won by heavy attacking the other guy to death with a resto staff.
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