No change to tremor, no dmg nerf to selene, but viper is now a DoT.
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The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on July 10, 2017 10:04PMPS4 NA DC4 -
revonine✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
Yeah I agree the set is still viable, it's just not a must run for all stamina builds anymore. The only thing I'm wondering now is what the best trait for weapons in pvp is gonna be now. With infused getting a huge buff, I'm feeling everyone is gonna be running infused and oblivion procc-ing you......well to oblivion.0 -
Malic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Everyone knew viper was going to be rendered useless the crying about that set was over the top ZOS, like most poor MMO companies over react to the over reaction. Any armor set that gives you damage from just wearing it has value. The problem viper had was how people stacked it with everything else. Your still going to see it in your death recap, your going to die in 2-3 hits instead of one burst.
The mechanics for the NB burst are still there, so they may have to throw in a HA or two *shrug*
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✭I have to figure out where all the pieces are and test it, but it seems like selene is gonna become an AoE attack with a delay.
Or, what makes more sense, is that selene has melee range, and the delay before the attack will allow enemy players to dodgeroll or walk away from the point of origin.Edited by Avran_Sylt on July 10, 2017 11:36PM0 -
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✭I still don't see how nothing was done with Tremor Scale..Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..6 -
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✭The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
The nerf to viper is a good thing, since it's completely useless now and forces everyone to run something else in its stead. Tremor is still terribad, but selene's at least has some semblance of a tell, making it easier to know when to block/roll.2 -
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✭viper is far from useless. Yes, it won't be useful for high-burst/one-shoot builds, but builds that put a lot of pressure, it will be really good.1 -
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✭viper is far from useless. Yes, it won't be useful for high-burst/one-shoot builds, but builds that put a lot of pressure, it will be really good.
I tried it out thinking that, but its damage is very low compared to so many other sets. Honestly for a stamina dot build the new stamina set from Blood Forge will likely be a better 5p for its 20% increased damage with bleeds. Like I'm thinking running that with dual wielding axes using bloodcraze and 2handed axe with brawler, if you want to do a dot build, would be way more damage than the ~1000 dps (way less in pvp with cp because of hardy and thick skin) that viper would offer, plus its crit bonuses are mostly useless in PvP anyway considering how impenetrable appears to have no cap on % reduction.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.0 -
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✭Sigh........ baddies will always be baddies proc sets or not.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
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✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »I still don't see how nothing was done with Tremor Scale..
Without a second proc set to stack with Tremor (Viper) its only going to be annoying for y'all bad pvp'ers now, whereas it was only strong against crappy players before.
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✭✭✭Every time players say ZOS destroyed something, that something ends up being the new meta/op when the update finally drops. lol0 -
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✭✭✭✭Was widow maker nerfed? It always outperformed viper in outnumbered group settings anyway0 -
r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
It shouldn't be a set that every nightblade wants to run anyway.Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
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SirSocke✭✭✭Viper is trash for NB now. NBs can't stand and fight, because they were so squishy. They used to jump in, kill and flee from fight...
Viper can be outhealed by every hot in the game now. ZOS should address those tankheals instead of indirectly buffing them by nerfing burstdamage.
But maybe everything is great and I've overseen some changes that nerf those unkillable tankheals...Bosmer stamina nightblade!0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
When i debuff healing by 63% with major/minor defoul and simple befoul cp... add in a couple extra dots and your not healing through anything ....but yeah viper is terrible nobdy should use it anymore
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Trashs1✭✭✭how has a stamblade major/minor defile?! what skill does this?Dolche des Königs (DDK); EuPC, DC, Sotha Sil,0 -
Iyas✭✭✭✭✭
✭how has a stamblade major/minor defile?! what skill does this?
Ult Incap is major defile and you have a chance to proc minor defile with disease glyphs/ dmg (surprise att etc)0 -
Weps✭✭✭✭Lol, Tremorscale here and tremorscale there.
Viper is the only real cancer that has never been touched and still has to nerfed more imho.
You can increase its damage, who cares, a cooldown it's necessary otherwise like that it's still an additional skillPS4 EU - CP 1000+ - EP Loyal
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✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
They reduced the overall damage too? I must have missed that (and am VERY surprised by it)Minalan owes me a beer.
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
When i debuff healing by 63% with major/minor defoul and simple befoul cp... add in a couple extra dots and your not healing through anything ....but yeah viper is terrible nobdy should use it anymore
No prob. The multiple debuff abilities you put on me I'll purge in a single cast.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
They reduced the overall damage too? I must have missed that (and am VERY surprised by it)
Nah, I believe they tried to keep it the same. But you have to factor in that it now scales from a different CP node, and if you have more DoT protection that will lower its damage even more too.0 -
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✭Sounds about right too. Issue wasn't proc sets itself, but multiple at the same time without counterplay. There is nothing wrong about still having selene's and skoria performing well, or do you want every fight to last 10 minutes?When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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✭Hopefully Viper is also unstackable from multiple players so the set is gone for good. Wishful thinking, but hey.
Tremorscale is basically an AoE version of Viper that also puts a really brutal snare on all affected enemies. It's absolutely insane how that set isnt getting touched.
Then again, Selene isn't really getting changed either. If you're a competent player, you already know where you shouldnt stand to avoid getting hit, and if it hit you before it'll still hit you - doesn't matter that there's going to be a telegraph.
This is actually a really good point. It should now scale off thaumaturge which most proctards don't really tend to invest into.GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
They reduced the overall damage too? I must have missed that (and am VERY surprised by it)
Nah, I believe they tried to keep it the same. But you have to factor in that it now scales from a different CP node, and if you have more DoT protection that will lower its damage even more too.Edited by Valencer on July 11, 2017 2:46PM0 -
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✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
When i debuff healing by 63% with major/minor defoul and simple befoul cp... add in a couple extra dots and your not healing through anything ....but yeah viper is terrible nobdy should use it anymore
No prob. The multiple debuff abilities you put on me I'll purge in a single cast.
Good point about purge being too strong; maybe they should cut the number of de-buffs removed in half if you have battle spirit up to balance purge, and give it the streak treatment on recasts.“Whatever.”
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✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The 2 greatest cancer set are still OP, and viper is now useless ( 2k dmg in 4s ) and makes purge even more OP.
Viper is far from useless. The DoT damage is actually increased by things like incap and thaum cp (all though looses master-at-arms cp). Yes purge is going to somewhat counter this set, so will shadow cloak.
Infused and Nirnhound are making a come back though
it does like 500-700 dmg/sec, so you might be able to buff it to 800/sec with incap, that's if it doesn't get purged. HoTs will outheal it no problem.
If you think that's far from useless then I hope you can convince every nightblade to run Viper. I'd really appreciate it.
When i debuff healing by 63% with major/minor defoul and simple befoul cp... add in a couple extra dots and your not healing through anything ....but yeah viper is terrible nobdy should use it anymore
No prob. The multiple debuff abilities you put on me I'll purge in a single cast.
Good point about purge being too strong; maybe they should cut the number of de-buffs removed in half if you have battle spirit up to balance purge, and give it the streak treatment on recasts.
Maybe, but I feel there is some underline issue with with Defile/purge overall. For a debuff that should decrease healing received, the best healing class has it too easy to completely disregard it. So while Major Defile boosted by CP almost kills every group without purge, it is almost waste of resources when fighting any other group.
But that would mean some big nerfs to templars or big buff to defile. One would inconvenient one class, second would wreck everyone else. Not sure what would bring bigger forum rage.2
