Should BoP be abolished?

Bam_Bam

This poll was inspired by this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/353905/who-else-would-like-bop-to-die/p1
I've tried to cover all the options that come to mind (after a 14 hour shift) and I hope it doesn't appear biased? Please keep replies civil and informative. Peace.

Bam_Bam

I'd like there to be a focus on making more PvP-only and PvE-only sets

Personally, I'd like to see more focus on creating PVP and PVE sets to try and reduce the continual nerfing of skills. I strongly feel that skills should benefit both sets of players (PvP AND PvE) but equipment choices should be tailored towards those 2 individual systems.
I've noticed recently that there are now a couple of PvP-centric sets available and I think this is a great move. Even though I'm staunchly a PvPer, I still think it's unfair that skills get nerfed and one of the 2 systems suffers pretty badly.
Unfortunately I'm not a statistic-minded person so I can't give an example but I'm sure you get the idea.

Aliyavana

You need to have requirements met, like complete vma to equip vma weapons

Avran_Sylt

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

Yeah, but they'd then need to implement a form of weapon degradation. Nothing fast, but using a weapon constantly for months at a time will eventually cause it to "break". Something like: It can only have [x] durability repaired until it breaks completely. (where x is in the thousands)

paulsimonps

NO. Nothing should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

I like how it is now, do the content if you want the gear. Though i think this mainly for trials, not dungeons.

Bam_Bam

I'd like there to be a focus on making more PvP-only and PvE-only sets

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Yeah, but they'd then need to implement a form of weapon degradation. Nothing fast, but using a weapon constantly for months at a time will eventually cause it to "break". Something like: It can only have [x] durability repaired until it breaks completely. (where x is in the thousands)

I like this. I suppose it could even tie-in to the current armour wear and tear?

mesmerizedish

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable EXCEPT vMSA and Master weapons

You should have to do vMA to get vMA weapons.

Obviously the massive grind and the feeling of getting a prosperous maelstrom weapon are problems, but the solution is some kind of token system, not allowing people to just buy their way to that sharpened maelstrom staff or whatever.

But for everything else... I'm really not sure what the difference between overland sets and dungeon sets is that the former are tradeable and the latter are bound. It's not like dungeon sets are always better than overland sets. The distinction doesn't make sense to me.

Tecorsuh

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Yeah, but they'd then need to implement a form of weapon degradation. Nothing fast, but using a weapon constantly for months at a time will eventually cause it to "break". Something like: It can only have [x] durability repaired until it breaks completely. (where x is in the thousands)

Definitely not. Imagine spending Hours/Days/Weeks/Months Searching for that BiS weapon only to eventually have it permanently break. That would not be fun, nor would it contribute to fun. It sounds like a mobile game cash shop scenario too, "Your weapon is now permanently broken, but if you buy this token, you can repair it!"

Your argument could be "sure, but you could always go buy another!" To that I say, no. BiS gear like that would be sold at a ridiculous price. Sharpened vMA Inferno Staff/Lightning Staff/Bow? would probably easily sell for 1~2m gold. The price would never drop because they would always be in demand, and only a small percentage of the player base can actually finish vMA, and even less will get BiS gear to drop for them.


I'm of the mind that almost everything should be bind on equip, not bind on pickup.

Things that should be bind on pickup are: Monster sets, Trial Sets, vMA Weapons, Master Weapons, and any purple or gold Jewelry.

But not the standard sets that are in the dungeons, for example: ebon, bsw, spc, lich, warlock, netch's touch, ect.

phaneub17_ESO

Not bothered.

It shows you put in the time, effort, and RNG to get what you have.

Avran_Sylt

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

Tecorsuh wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Yeah, but they'd then need to implement a form of weapon degradation. Nothing fast, but using a weapon constantly for months at a time will eventually cause it to "break". Something like: It can only have [x] durability repaired until it breaks completely. (where x is in the thousands)

Definitely not. Imagine spending Hours/Days/Weeks/Months Searching for that BiS weapon only to eventually have it permanently break. That would not be fun, nor would it contribute to fun. It sounds like a mobile game cash shop scenario too, "Your weapon is now permanently broken, but if you buy this token, you can repair it!"

Your argument could be "sure, but you could always go buy another!" To that I say, no. BiS gear like that would be sold at a ridiculous price. Sharpened vMA Inferno Staff/Lightning Staff/Bow? would probably easily sell for 1~2m gold. The price would never drop because they would always be in demand, and only a small percentage of the player base can actually finish vMA, and even less will get BiS gear to drop for them.


I'm of the mind that almost everything should be bind on equip, not bind on pickup.

Things that should be bind on pickup are: Monster sets, Trial Sets, vMA Weapons, Master Weapons, and any purple or gold Jewelry.

But not the standard sets that are in the dungeons, for example: ebon, bsw, spc, lich, warlock, netch's touch, ect.

Fair enough, with the current RNG system that is in place it'd be a pain in the ass for some.

malchior

I'd like there to be a focus on making more PvP-only and PvE-only sets

vMSA and Master weapons should be earnt as they test your skills in a survival mode, should stay as BOP.

jaye63

I have a different idea.... (tell us below)

Farm for special mats in the dungeons and make everything craftable. That way you dont end up with right item, wrong trait. Just like a Nirncrux... very rare. And not just with this item but ALL drop gear.

Magıc

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

Yes.

Cpt_Teemo

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

Would help the economy alot if they made everything tradeable

raj72616a

yes Birds of Paradise is too good of a mana accelerator and trivializes the choice of going multi-color

Betsararie

Some things need to be behind a skill-wall.

I would be for experimenting with making 4 man dungeon sets only BoE, but I am not in support of making anything else BoE that is currently BoP.

Iluvrien

Blanco wrote: »

Some things need to be behind a skill-wall.

I would be for experimenting with making 4 man dungeon sets only BoE, but I am not in support of making anything else BoE that is currently BoP.

I wondered about this.

Yes, the titles, leaderboard-positions and social accolades should be behind the skill-wall... but the gear that allows you to attempt such things? I am not so sure about that.

Getting the gear seems to be more about beating the RNG rather than beating the content.

Why not give more people access to the gear by making it BoE, and make it actually about skill... rather than about who had enough time to plough in against the daedRNG?

idk

No in between choices available.

NyassaV

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

Everyone wants a token system... Thing is, there is already one in the game, it's called gold. But because things are bind on pick up it doesn't work

IcyDeadPeople

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable EXCEPT vMSA and Master weapons

It's currently a rather strange arrangement for the itemization system.

I can understand the intent to make certain sets only obtainable as a reward for completing the maelstrom arena, or some trial set that allows you to do more damage vs trials bosses or whatever. But why are some of the strongest and most popular sets in this game easily available for a few hundred gold while many others that are not even that amazing, but you just want to try them out for some creative build concept, can only be obtained by running the same dungeon over and over?

And many of the older dungeons are not popular, very difficult to find anybody willing to run them over and over with you. So you enter solo, kill the first boss, look for a chest and then exit, try to find someone in zone chat willing to group with you to help you reset the dungeon, enter again, repeat over and over. This is excruciatingly boring.

WhiteMage

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable EXCEPT vMSA and Master weapons

You know what? I think I want to amend my position. I would be fine with everything being tradable and long as they are gated by achievements. If you proven you are an equal to the challenge, you should be able to acquire these rare items from your peers. I wouldn't mind if you had to run things again every so often to prove you are still qualified to earn and receive more gear from that same source (it wouldn't lock you out of things aready bound to you ofc).

me_ming

NO. Nothing should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Yeah, but they'd then need to implement a form of weapon degradation. Nothing fast, but using a weapon constantly for months at a time will eventually cause it to "break". Something like: It can only have [x] durability repaired until it breaks completely. (where x is in the thousands)

NO!!! People will quit in this game if what you suggest happen. The RNG is bad enough in this game, having that gear only be worn for a limited time is the WORST idea ever! Are you kidding me? You must be trolling.

Gothren

NO. Nothing should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

No just no...

Qbiken

I have a different idea.... (tell us below)

Leave all trialloot BoP (vMSA <----Is actually considered a trial, vDSA, Craglorn+DLC trials) and also leave Monster helmets BoP. They´re somewhat unique pieces/stuff and should only be available if you actually care to play the content.

But I Think the rest of the stuff that can be achieved from normal and veteran dungeons should be BoE.

Blud

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable EXCEPT vMSA and Master weapons

Anything like World of Warcraft (such as BoP to encourage repetitive grinding) is undesirable for me.

mechengr7

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

I really wish they would go back to this. Being able to freely trade items was nice. If I didn't have a magicka character, I could sell that gear for my stam toons. Also, this way they could keep the horrible rng, but people wouldn't feel so frustrated about it. Didn't get the drop? Try the guild store.

theher0not

I have a different idea.... (tell us below)

Keep BoP the way they it works right now.


But update the drop system to make it a litle less random (either by giving us gear tokens or by removimg some of the worthless traits from the loot table in vet content).

Tavore1138

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable EXCEPT vMSA and Master weapons

I'd include the core trials reward sets and monster helms/shoulders as non-tradeable - all else should be BoE if only so those who run dungeons can make some money to pay for their pots and those who don't have time to run a dungeon 126 times to get that piece of divines can still get decent gear if they have the gold.

MCBIZZLE300

I have a different idea.... (tell us below)

I cant believe most people think everything should be trade able. THEY ARE END GAME WEAPONS. The option wasn't on here for how it is now (overland sell able, dungeon trade able, VMA/MASTER BOP.

altemriel

YES. Everything should be tradeable/sellable INCLUDING vMSA and Master weapons

for sure all BOP should be BOE and tradable!!!

Bam_Bam

I'd like there to be a focus on making more PvP-only and PvE-only sets

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

No in between choices available.

Ummmm actually there is - "I have a different idea"