Stamblade ... 2h vs DW

Erekon

What would be better for PvP? and Why?

Asardes

2H primarily because you can use rally.

Erekon

Asardes wrote: »

2H primarily because you can use rally.

I've heard ( I don't remember where) that DW has higher damage output while 2h has better survivability ( coz of rally?). Is this true?

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Just go DW main bar 2h back bar. Best of both worlds and works just fine. Learn to use speed pots if you can't live without hasty retreats major expedition bow passive.

KingJ

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Just go DW main bar 2h back bar. Best of both worlds and works just fine. Learn to use speed pots if you can't live without hasty retreats major expedition bow passive.

You can always use Quick cloak 25% reduction to AOE damage pretty strong plus major expedition.

Currently running 2h DW setup. Really liking it.Reduce damage of a lot of hard hitting abilities and ultimates and still hit really hard Plus a nice HOT and bleed from blood craze.

Erekon

KingJ wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Just go DW main bar 2h back bar. Best of both worlds and works just fine. Learn to use speed pots if you can't live without hasty retreats major expedition bow passive.

You can always use Quick cloak 25% reduction to AOE damage pretty strong plus major expedition.

Currently running 2h DW setup. Really liking it.Reduce damage of a lot of hard hitting abilities and ultimates and still hit really hard Plus a nice HOT and bleed from blood craze.

Could you please share your skillbar set up?

akray21

2H/Bow is my preference. But it's all personal style of play. I like Rally, and the speed the bow gives with roll dodge. I also have weapon damage enchant on my bow to proc that before using ambush.

leepalmer95

2h/bow is better.


You can 2/5/5 with 2h/bow as well. You get better sustain with 2h, access to a better execute as well.

Bow ranged is great, injection goes great with your burst as an auto execute to help.

Bow mobility is a must for stam nb.

KingJ

Erekon wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Just go DW main bar 2h back bar. Best of both worlds and works just fine. Learn to use speed pots if you can't live without hasty retreats major expedition bow passive.

You can always use Quick cloak 25% reduction to AOE damage pretty strong plus major expedition.

Currently running 2h DW setup. Really liking it.Reduce damage of a lot of hard hitting abilities and ultimates and still hit really hard Plus a nice HOT and bleed from blood craze.

Could you please share your skillbar set up?

2h:Ambush,Reverse slice or killer blade,Rally,Fear,Surprise attack Ultimate Incap

DW:Shuffle,Relentless/leeching,Quick cloak/Blood craze,vigor,cloak Ultimate Dawnbreaker/Soul tether.

Reverse slice cost 200 more stamina than killer blade not a huge lost of stam plus its AOE and have a higher Execute threshold.Killer blade can heal you but threshold starts at 25%.

Relentless minor berserk boost the damage of all you damage even the damage of your proc seta but not your heals.It always boost your stam recovery by 15%.

Leeching strikes give you a small heal over time as well as 106 stam per light and heavy attacks.Not great but better than nothing.

Blood craze give you a small HOT and bleed which goes through block.

Sometimes I drop Relentless and run Blood craze and run that and quick cloak.

TimeDazzler

leepalmer95 wrote: »

2h/bow is better.


You can 2/5/5 with 2h/bow as well. You get better sustain with 2h, access to a better execute as well.

Bow ranged is great, injection goes great with your burst as an auto execute to help.

Bow mobility is a must for stam nb.

What do you mean you by you can go 2/5/5 on 2h/bow? Are you saying having one set active with each weapon? Because with dual wield or sword&board you can have both active on the same bar.

Asardes

You can run 5p one set on front bar and the other 5p on backbar if you have weapons, and still run a full monster set.

Miruku

2H bow will always be better than DW.

Izaki

KingJ wrote: »

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Just go DW main bar 2h back bar. Best of both worlds and works just fine. Learn to use speed pots if you can't live without hasty retreats major expedition bow passive.

You can always use Quick cloak 25% reduction to AOE damage pretty strong plus major expedition.

Currently running 2h DW setup. Really liking it.Reduce damage of a lot of hard hitting abilities and ultimates and still hit really hard Plus a nice HOT and bleed from blood craze.

Deadly Cloak is indeed amazing and also helps pretty nicely with burst, its basically like a Viper proc that procs every 3 seconds, I don't like Quick Cloak though, it does literally no damage and spamming it for the speed buff isn't that great for sustain, rather use Speed pots. Rending Slashes is a great DoT too that goes through all enemy resistances. The heavy attacks are also much faster allowing you to sustain much better. And of course being able to run 2 5 piece sets and a Monster set is great. The only problem is that you aren't as mobile and flexible and you can't open up from range with that Heavy Bow attack + Gapcloser combo for big initial burst... and man does it take long to get used to that playstyle lol

The DW 2H isn't as flexible as 2H Bow and IMHO will never be a better option for a stamblade...

Izaki

Asardes wrote: »

You can run 5p one set on front bar and the other 5p on backbar if you have weapons, and still run a full monster set.

Maelstrom 2H and Master's Bow are too good to give up. With 2 slots you gain about 500 weapon damage (189 from the 2H and 301 from the Master's Bow. Any 5 piece set that does better than that? You also have the freedom of using either Crit Rush and the extra DoT or Ambush and the Ravage Health poison without losing the 189 weapon damage.

Then you get to chose a 5 pc set which can be literally anything and you'll still do good damage no matter what, then you obviously use Agility for the damage and a monster set (I'm quite enjoying Bloodspawn at the moment, it procs all the time helping your burst through having Incap always up and helps your defense tremendously).

GeorgeBlack

Another annoyance is born

Dude what do you like? Dual Weapons? Two Handed weapons?
Go get good with what you like instead of following metas.

Jeez.
Go full sustain stam regen. Keep active shuffle and rally. Use a proc gear set to deal dmg. Learn 2h AC.Spam vigor and rolldodge. Gj you ride the meta, tryhard.

Erekon

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Another annoyance is born

Dude what do you like? Dual Weapons? Two Handed weapons?
Go get good with what you like instead of following metas.

Jeez.
Go full sustain stam regen. Keep active shuffle and rally. Use a proc gear set to deal dmg. Learn 2h AC.Spam vigor and rolldodge. Gj you ride the meta, tryhard.

1. I play with a 2h.
2. I got bored of that.
3. I wanted to try something new. I get bored playing with the same build.
4. I don't have the time to experiment with different builds and farm gear just to see what works and what does not.
5. I feel there's nothing wrong in asking about things that I don't know much about ( DW and PvP).
6. When others have no problem in revealing their builds and helping out, idk what point you're trying to make.
7. Keep your frustration to yourself.
8. You sound like a ***, anyway.
9. Have fun.

GeorgeBlack

9. sold

GreenSoup2HoT

Miruku wrote: »

2H bow will always be better than DW.

i disagree.

glavius

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

You can run 5p one set on front bar and the other 5p on backbar if you have weapons, and still run a full monster set.

Maelstrom 2H and Master's Bow are too good to give up. With 2 slots you gain about 500 weapon damage (189 from the 2H and 301 from the Master's Bow. Any 5 piece set that does better than that? You also have the freedom of using either Crit Rush and the extra DoT or Ambush and the Ravage Health poison without losing the 189 weapon damage.

Then you get to chose a 5 pc set which can be literally anything and you'll still do good damage no matter what, then you obviously use Agility for the damage and a monster set (I'm quite enjoying Bloodspawn at the moment, it procs all the time helping your burst through having Incap always up and helps your defense tremendously).

Dw main bar+2h buff bar has advantages too:
Oblivion dmg enchant+weap dmg enchant is alot of added dmg. And running 2 x 5 sets+undaunted lets you use stuff like 5 ravager+5 viper for example.

Izaki

glavius wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

You can run 5p one set on front bar and the other 5p on backbar if you have weapons, and still run a full monster set.

Maelstrom 2H and Master's Bow are too good to give up. With 2 slots you gain about 500 weapon damage (189 from the 2H and 301 from the Master's Bow. Any 5 piece set that does better than that? You also have the freedom of using either Crit Rush and the extra DoT or Ambush and the Ravage Health poison without losing the 189 weapon damage.

Then you get to chose a 5 pc set which can be literally anything and you'll still do good damage no matter what, then you obviously use Agility for the damage and a monster set (I'm quite enjoying Bloodspawn at the moment, it procs all the time helping your burst through having Incap always up and helps your defense tremendously).

Dw main bar+2h buff bar has advantages too:
Oblivion dmg enchant+weap dmg enchant is alot of added dmg. And running 2 x 5 sets+undaunted lets you use stuff like 5 ravager+5 viper for example.

Yeah I'd rather use a Poison and a Disease enchant or a Ravage Health poison, but its personal preference I guess and for non-CP its probably way more actual damage than the Berserker enchant. The Oblivion thing is apparently nice, I personally can't be bothered changing my enchants. Good point.

Thing is: you've wasted 5 slots to gain 630 weapon damage that will have pretty low uptime, whereas you can get that 500 weapon damage up 100% of the time just by slotting a Master's Bow and a vMA 2H.

Also, you can run the most popular 5 piece sets for non-CP on 2H/Bow conserving all the upsides without any downsides:
- Viper front/Eternal back
- Viper front/Shadow Walker back
- Hunding's front/anything else back
- you get the idea.

The only benefit I see in running DW/2H as opposed to 2H/Bow is to have Poisonous Serpent and Viper active on the same bar (aka proctard level critical, but man its effective in BGs, hitting 10k light attacks lol). Other than this setup, there's nothing that actually comes close to a 2H/Bow one.
Gear aside, the only thing that 2H/Bow doesn't have is Deadly Cloak.

glavius

For heavy armor setup I can't see any really good sets to use for 2h/bow.
I 100% want viper in my setup and undaunted set, which means I have to use viper jewelry and 2 armor pieces if I also want to run master/maelstrom setup. That leaves 3 heavy armor pieces for the last set, which is far from optimal.

I can see your point if running medium, since you can then use viper for armor and agility jewelry.

CyrusArya

People arguing wether dual wield or 2H is better and I'm just over here looking forward to playing a light attack/surprise attack/bash blade. I think sword and board stam blade is under rated. But realistically, with stamblade having access to the best instant spammable in the game, it makes use of 2H better than any other class and 2h/bow is probably the ideal build for PvP.

Izaki

glavius wrote: »

For heavy armor setup I can't see any really good sets to use for 2h/bow.
I 100% want viper in my setup and undaunted set, which means I have to use viper jewelry and 2 armor pieces if I also want to run master/maelstrom setup. That leaves 3 heavy armor pieces for the last set, which is far from optimal.

I can see your point if running medium, since you can then use viper for armor and agility jewelry.

Heavy Armor NB?... Eww

Strider_Roshin

For proc blades (the more powerful way to play unfortunately) DW/bow.

For heavy armor Nightblades DW/2H or SnS/2H

For medium armor non-proc blade 2H/Bow

thankyourat

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For proc blades (the more powerful way to play unfortunately) DW/bow.

For heavy armor Nightblades DW/2H or SnS/2H

For medium armor non-proc blade 2H/Bow

Even for proc blades i feel 2hand and bow is better. A proc blade will 99% of the time not one shot me at that point he pretty much loses because he doesn't have rally

leepalmer95

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For proc blades (the more powerful way to play unfortunately) DW/bow.

For heavy armor Nightblades DW/2H or SnS/2H

For medium armor non-proc blade 2H/Bow

Even for medium proc 2h/bow is better

2/5/5 with selene/viper(2h)/hunt (bow)

Injection is super useful to have + the mobility of bow + rune into cloak is amazing.

Strider_Roshin

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For proc blades (the more powerful way to play unfortunately) DW/bow.

For heavy armor Nightblades DW/2H or SnS/2H

For medium armor non-proc blade 2H/Bow

Even for proc blades i feel 2hand and bow is better. A proc blade will 99% of the time not one shot me at that point he pretty much loses because he doesn't have rally

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For proc blades (the more powerful way to play unfortunately) DW/bow.

For heavy armor Nightblades DW/2H or SnS/2H

For medium armor non-proc blade 2H/Bow

Even for medium proc 2h/bow is better

2/5/5 with selene/viper(2h)/hunt (bow)

Injection is super useful to have + the mobility of bow + rune into cloak is amazing.

The heavy attack animation for DW doubles your chances to proc Selene's which is what makes it superior.

GreenSoup2HoT

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For proc blades (the more powerful way to play unfortunately) DW/bow.

For heavy armor Nightblades DW/2H or SnS/2H

For medium armor non-proc blade 2H/Bow

Even for proc blades i feel 2hand and bow is better. A proc blade will 99% of the time not one shot me at that point he pretty much loses because he doesn't have rally

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For proc blades (the more powerful way to play unfortunately) DW/bow.

For heavy armor Nightblades DW/2H or SnS/2H

For medium armor non-proc blade 2H/Bow

Even for medium proc 2h/bow is better

2/5/5 with selene/viper(2h)/hunt (bow)

Injection is super useful to have + the mobility of bow + rune into cloak is amazing.

The heavy attack animation for DW doubles your chances to proc Selene's which is what makes it superior.

Dont forget double enchants and 15% more damage against cc/root/offbalance targets with light/hvy atts.

Crowzer

I used to have 2H with Rally and bow for long time.
Recently, I changed my 2H bar with DW (2 swords) and I prefer that. Rally switched to Siphoning Attacks and I can use set.

CyrusArya wrote: »

.. I think sword and board stam blade is under rated...

It was really OP years ago.

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

... Also, you can run the most popular 5 piece sets for non-CP on 2H/Bow conserving all the upsides without any downsides:
...

And what's most popular 5 pieces in CP Campaign (Vivec) ?

Lokey0024

Rally is almost required for most stam builds unless you have a pocket healer. If you have one DW/bow is real strong. You can put up 2 bleeds, poison inj and twin slash, and have utility ability slots. SA is strong enough you can run no execute if they're bleeding.

Kay1

I use both everyday and DW is better.

The heals are better, the dots are strong and the sustain is way better.

If you go dual wield Quick Cloak is a must, especially for solo because you can't solo without speed buff.

You shouldn't also listen the people telling you to run 5 Viper 2 Selene 5 Eternal Hunt, it may work against noobs but you will get stomped against a real opponent and running 3 proc sets at once makes you get worse every day you spend running those and the day they get nerfed or capped to 1 you won't even be able to kill a mudcrab.