No Cp is super frustrating and no fun!

Dr.NRG

Thanks yall for your imput! This is a very important topic as thenfuture of eso depends on it. To explain this further zos can only release a certain amout of content to keep the avarage player happy. Once they run out of ideas or the gen pop gets finally trired of the game worse the game it is done.
I love this game bit Im also not seeing much of a future for it at this point which really sucks.

Drakkdjinn

Dr.NRG wrote: »

Thanks yall for your imput! This is a very important topic as thenfuture of eso depends on it. To explain this further zos can only release a certain amout of content to keep the avarage player happy. Once they run out of ideas or the gen pop gets finally trired of the game worse the game it is done.
I love this game bit Im also not seeing much of a future for it at this point which really sucks.

2/10, l2troll

Jawasa

Arent you the troll talking about CP training wheels? @Drakkdjinn

Drakkdjinn

Jawasa wrote: »

Arent you the troll talking about CP training wheels? @Drakkdjinn

Only if you can troll the truth!

CatchMeTrolling

Loool only thing that is more noticeable is procs & poisons in no cp but cp pvp is still far from balanced, the new layout offers way more to make a broken build since you can easily spread more points now.

You don't have to like no cp but don't sit here & act like cp is more balanced because you don't like no cp.

fastolfv_ESO

there have already be reasons given as to why cp is more balanced, resists to deal with proc sets cp skills to deal with infinite blockers/healers and increased stats to deal with one shots from macros. No cp bgs feel like pvp with training wheels on, most of us come from a regular cp server and we want to take those training wheels off to pvp on normal mode

FearlessOne_2014

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

there have already be reasons given as to why cp is more balanced, resists to deal with proc sets cp skills to deal with infinite blockers/healers and increased stats to deal with one shots from macros. No cp bgs feel like pvp with training wheels on, most of us come from a regular cp server and we want to take those training wheels off to pvp on normal mode

Yeah the whole Non CP concept was a training wheel concept. ZOS just didn't do any type of balance behind this training wheel version of PvP. Thus a good majority of players are NOT building to use skills to kill players. But are building to have their gear and enchants to kill people.

But hey if it makes them sleep better at night. To go around saying CP is the training wheels PvP. Then let them go for it then. At least in CP people actually get a bit of a chance to fight the proc users. In Non CP their gear just out-right kills you. But yeah CP is training wheels PvP, right?

Chrlynsch

Dr.NRG wrote: »

It is frustrating! 80% of ppl are against no cp!

And 73.6% of statistics are made up on the spot.

JDC1985

Non cp is for all these proc tards that cant kill nothing any other way. Then you got the people who use the statement "ridiculous builds" which really means they cant beat them so they want easy mode. Non cp is trash period people don't want a challenge today they all want to be given a trophy, patted on the back and called a winner when the reality is they suck hard I almost feel sorry for them.

P.S. if the truth offends you its okay go to your safe space tell yourself its okay and hold your trophy you didnt earn then rock back and forth like someone cares.

FearlessOne_2014

JDC1985 wrote: »

Non cp is for all these proc tards that cant kill nothing any other way. Then you got the people who use the statement "ridiculous builds" which really means they cant beat them so they want easy mode. Non cp is trash period people don't want a challenge today they all want to be given a trophy, patted on the back and called a winner when the reality is they suck hard I almost feel sorry for them.

P.S. if the truth offends you its okay go to your safe space tell yourself its okay and hold your trophy you didnt earn then rock back and forth like someone cares.

I completely agree. And is completely appalled to the direction ZOS want's PvP to go. However it's not my place to demand much of anything. So left with only two choices.

Play the game or don't play the game. It's a really sad decision to have to make. To even have to think about it.

Morgul667

JDC1985 wrote: »

Non cp is for all these proc tards that cant kill nothing any other way. Then you got the people who use the statement "ridiculous builds" which really means they cant beat them so they want easy mode. Non cp is trash period people don't want a challenge today they all want to be given a trophy, patted on the back and called a winner when the reality is they suck hard I almost feel sorry for them.

P.S. if the truth offends you its okay go to your safe space tell yourself its okay and hold your trophy you didnt earn then rock back and forth like someone cares.

Constructive thoughts

What happens if you enjoy non cp and do not play procs ?

Derra

Prothwata wrote: »

Dr.NRG wrote: »

It is frustrating! 80% of ppl are against no cp!

And 73.6% of statistics are made up on the spot.

We´ll never get a representative figure on that - the only rough estimate we can possibly get are campaign populations. Those on the other hand speak a very clear language (for EU PC): People prefer CP enabled campaigns.

olsborg

I dont enjoy nocp at all. CP makes for more fun, you have better chance at 1vXing too. More diversity of builds imo.

Makato

Morgul667 wrote: »

Constructive thoughts

What happens if you enjoy non cp and do not play procs ?

Not enough players that can answer that question ...

Brrrofski

With the exception of proc sets, no CP is much more fun

Arthg

The arrogance of CP players is quite baffling.
Not our fault if with all your experience you can't beat a new player with proc sets and if you can't sustain.

I got killed in a duel by a 338 CP proctard with poisons last night.
If I were a CP PvPer, I'd QQ about the OPness of proc sets , the training wheels of noCP, etc.

Me, I'd rather L2P no CP PvP.

I recorded the video of the fight and saw where I'd made a mistake.

I care not for the extra 300 CPs I'd have had against the bloke in CP PvP.

Valencer

Arthg wrote: »

The arrogance of CP players is quite baffling.
Not our fault if with all your experience you can't beat a new player with proc sets and if you can't sustain.

I got killed in a duel by a 338 CP proctard with poisons last night.
If I were a CP PvPer, I'd QQ about the OPness of proc sets , the training wheels of noCP, etc.

Me, I'd rather L2P no CP PvP.

I recorded the video of the fight and saw where I'd made a mistake.

I care not for the extra 300 CPs I'd have had against the bloke in CP PvP.

But the reality is proc sets turn a harmless/ineffective player into a serious threat. If you dont want to acknowledge that youre kidding yourself.

Some guy using nothing but Ransack (no proper burst combo) can go from barely scratching your health bar to instantly shaving off half your health bar every 4 seconds, by switching to the right proc sets. There's no L2P in there, sorry.

Only thing I disagree with is this somehow not being a problem in CP PvP. It is a problem... we just have more max health and healing to somewhat mitigate the damage.

Morgul667

Valencer wrote: »

Arthg wrote: »

The arrogance of CP players is quite baffling.
Not our fault if with all your experience you can't beat a new player with proc sets and if you can't sustain.

I got killed in a duel by a 338 CP proctard with poisons last night.
If I were a CP PvPer, I'd QQ about the OPness of proc sets , the training wheels of noCP, etc.

Me, I'd rather L2P no CP PvP.

I recorded the video of the fight and saw where I'd made a mistake.

I care not for the extra 300 CPs I'd have had against the bloke in CP PvP.

But the reality is proc sets turn a harmless/ineffective player into a serious threat. If you dont want to acknowledge that youre kidding yourself.

Some guy using nothing but Ransack (no proper burst combo) can go from barely scratching your health bar to instantly shaving off half your health bar every 4 seconds, by switching to the right proc sets. There's no L2P in there, sorry.

Only thing I disagree with is this somehow not being a problem in CP PvP. It is a problem... we just have more max health and healing to somewhat mitigate the damage.

So proc sets are the issue here, not the non-CP campaigns

Valencer

Non-CP has a lot of issues, but proc sets is the one which the guy I quoted was talking about specifically.

ofSunhold

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I would really like to know how many of the people who hype no CP pvp actually play without proc sets or troll king.

I do.

The issue isn't lack of CP, the issue is things that are way out of balance because for so long any balance was maintained with CP PvP in mind. So seige is overtuned in non-CP; NPCs are overtuned in non-CP; and (some) proc sets are off the hook with no CP for mitigation.

All of that is pretty frustrating, especially if you weren't dealing with it before this patch. If ZoS really is going to stick with no-CP in PvP, they need to get to that ASAP.

Hopefully they have made up their damned minds one way or the other, because trying to balance for both is not going to happen.

FearlessOne_2014

ZOS wants everyone in Viper and Seleens. That golden vendor speaks volumes to me. Maybe after 6 months the proc situation in Non CP will be dealable. So expect proc set balance or complete nerfs some times in Q4 2017.

The current iteration of proc sets completely fits ZOSes new vision of PvP. ZOS has been continuously dumbing down PvP for a while now. So I would tell you guys to get used to this.

Kas

i really enjoy that i can easily switch between pve and pvp on some chars now (not all, because of morphs). however, i still believe pvp is much better with CP.

squidprojectb14_ESO

Valencer wrote: »

Some guy using nothing but Ransack (no proper burst combo) can go from barely scratching your health bar to instantly shaving off half your health bar every 4 seconds, by switching to the right proc sets. There's no L2P in there, sorry.

But half health is hardly dead. This is where you escape via dodgeroll / streak etc, pop a pot and some self heals, then hang out near your healer spamming x til you're ready to go.

Vapirko

One is not better than the other, it's that simple. CP allows more breathing room and makes it easier to recover from mistakes. It also draws zergs and makes it a lot easier for zergs to take a keep. No CP is much more dynamic battle, more ebb and flow between attacking and defending and less of getting run over. Keeps can much more easily be defending with siege, as it should be. But it's very unforgiving and your build can very easily feel under powered if coming from cp.

It's obvious there should be both type of campaign. And monster sets should only count for their first trait, for a small boost. I'm completely and totally sick of being forced toward proc sets to contend.

murdomac101

I've only ever played nonCP.

I generally only play stam classes - dk, nb, sorc and warden.

Tried to join the proc club, using viper/red mountain etc. And did not like it at all. It was so unsatisfying. I like to see a players damage come down directly due to my class skills and tactics, not because of some random chance. I don't use them, but I still die from them all the time, normally being hit by one player, with a skill or two and a couple procs and dying v quickly

Yasha

I think CP pvp should be taken out of the game completely and proc sets should be toned down considerably (at least for pvp). Even with proc sets (I don't have any btw), non-CP campaigns are much, much more balanced than CP.

Whenever I go to CP campaigns I see those players that can basically tank whole zergs, its ridiculous; you never see that in non-CP campaigns. A small group of average players can even kill the emp in non-CP. I can take a pre level 50 toon into non CP and have decent fights; meanwhile I can't even dent the shields of most players in the CP campaign and am pretty much killed instantly.

The_Duke

I can get viper and selenes/tremor to hit almost as hard on my magblade as I can on my stamplar or stam sorc. 16k selenes tool tip on my magblade.

magictucktuck

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I would really like to know how many of the people who hype no CP pvp actually play without proc sets or troll king.

I play no cp and 0 proc sets

Trashkan

What's wrong with cp campaign why can't we just have both and the players that enjoy it play it and those that don't play non cp. BOOM just blew all your minds.... Mic drop.

thankyourat

I prefer battle grounds for the non cp pvp. In cp pvp players just dont die. Everyone just builds tanky with ok damage and zerg you down. I feel alot of players just like cp pvp because it allows them to make more mistakes making combat easier and allowing them to fight longer. If you aren't mechanically sound non cp pvp can turn into a horse stimulator fairly quickly