I remember when mounts were for 2500 and we used to think they were expensive, oh the good old days.

Bigevilpeter

Now they are for 4000 and people are still buying them, maybe they will be for 10000 and people will still buy them. The more people cave in the greedier they will get.

You can defend them all you want, but in the end you will pay for it, literally.

drakhan2002_ESO

Good thing you don't need to buy them in order to progress in the game! Other people, who have the ability to afford and the willingness to buy...will. They have their opinion, you have yours.

Insandros

@Bigevilpeter

Do you remember the times those mount were 2500 crowns if it was the gold old days the game was paying member only?

Turelus

People will buy stuff based on their own values of what's worth it.

I don't like ZOS' pricing model for many items, which is why always make a nice post in their official threads saying if it was a good or bad price (in my opinion).

However one thing I make a point of is never giving other players abuse for buying or not buying items, everyone makes their own choices. Just before Christmas last year I spent about £180 on two SWTOR Lego models, I made them, put them on my shelf and that's the end of it, I can hardly give abuse for "wasting money".

Qyrk

People pay for what they think the item is worth to them. Others see it as a waste or a ripoff . Their choice, your choice. Their opinion, your opinion.

Bigevilpeter

Insandros wrote: »

@Bigevilpeter

Do you remember the times those mount were 2500 crowns if it was the gold old days the game was paying member only?

First now the game is for paying members only since its b2p, second the prices were 2500 was like that long after the game went b2p, these new prices came after crown crates and housing when they realized how easy people are.

Bigevilpeter

Qyrk wrote: »

People pay for what they think the item is worth to them. Others see it as a waste or a ripoff . Their choice, your choice. Their opinion, your opinion.

Do they really or are they addicted and can't help it? Do people who do drugs do it because they think the price is fair?

Qyrk

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

People pay for what they think the item is worth to them. Others see it as a waste or a ripoff . Their choice, your choice. Their opinion, your opinion.

Do they really or are they addicted and can't help it? Do people who do drugs do it because they think the price is fair?

Totally different topic but alright.....at least this game won't get you killed.

Bigevilpeter

Qyrk wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

People pay for what they think the item is worth to them. Others see it as a waste or a ripoff . Their choice, your choice. Their opinion, your opinion.

Do they really or are they addicted and can't help it? Do people who do drugs do it because they think the price is fair?

Totally different topic but alright.....at least this game won't get you killed.

Its not exactly different since games are proven to be very addictive and gaming companies take advantage of that just like drugs, but yeah gaming won't get you killed, that doesn't mean its that different from drugs.

Oh and btw there are stories of people who died from over gaming and other gaming related issues.

Qyrk

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

People pay for what they think the item is worth to them. Others see it as a waste or a ripoff . Their choice, your choice. Their opinion, your opinion.

Do they really or are they addicted and can't help it? Do people who do drugs do it because they think the price is fair?

Totally different topic but alright.....at least this game won't get you killed.

Its not exactly different since games are proven to be very addictive and gaming companies take advantage of that just like drugs, but yeah gaming won't get you killed, that doesn't mean its that different from drugs.

Oh and btw there are stories of people who died from over gaming and other gaming related issues.

Right ......mounts price increase to 2500 > means people are addictive >> people kill themselves.

Yup makes total sense.

drakhan2002_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

People pay for what they think the item is worth to them. Others see it as a waste or a ripoff . Their choice, your choice. Their opinion, your opinion.

Do they really or are they addicted and can't help it? Do people who do drugs do it because they think the price is fair?

Based on your signature and the theme of your posts, you seem bitter about a company trying to make a profit. It seems obvious to me that ZOS is making some kind of money off these crown-store items.

These items do not affect your ability to play the game successfully in any shape or form. If you are not able to afford or are not willing to buy to an item, you are entitled to that stance.

However, complaining that something is too expensive or that people are addicted makes it sound as if you're being treated unfairly. That you are 50 crowns short of being able to buy the item. Also as if you're whining about it.

DMuehlhausen

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Now they are for 4000 and people are still buying them, maybe they will be for 10000 and people will still buy them. The more people cave in the greedier they will get.

You can defend them all you want, but in the end you will pay for it, literally.

Yep and probably this time next year they will be 8k crowns. Then after that even more. As long as people buy at the price point (certain % of the players) then they will keep rising the price. Accept it, understand nothing on the crown store is required to move through the game.

Qyrk

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

People pay for what they think the item is worth to them. Others see it as a waste or a ripoff . Their choice, your choice. Their opinion, your opinion.

Do they really or are they addicted and can't help it? Do people who do drugs do it because they think the price is fair?

........ Also as if you're whining about it.

He is and has been for a while ..... Again.....I totally get when he said, crown price increased kills people.......I'd like to see him make this stretch probable.

Bigevilpeter

People are free to buy wherever they want, what I don't understand is why people want to pay more for something you can pay less for, if they just show companies that they are not ok with the pricing by not buying for a while?

If only people could control their urges then games wouldn't be released with 80% of their content as DLC and selling cosmetic mounts for 40$ and rising, but what can I say people want to get ripped off.

drakhan2002_ESO

I guess people just need to vent...I have my own issues with the game too, so the OP is just letting us know what he thinks about the price of the things.

Qyrk

It goes to the basics of economics of supply and demand. Think of this as like real world housing...there is a price point high enough that people will continue to buy at, even if they were 50% less a year or two ago.

Same principles applies. We are at a world of capitalism. People make choices with their wallet

Bigevilpeter

Qyrk wrote: »

It goes to the basics of economics of supply and demand. Think of this as like real world housing...there is a price point high enough that people will continue to buy at, even if they were 50% less a year or two ago.

Same principles applies. We are at a world of capitalism. People make choices with their wallet

Can't argue with that, but its sad what happened to gaming now.

Arkvoril

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

People are free to buy wherever they want, what I don't understand is why people want to pay more for something you can pay less for, if they just show companies that they are not ok with the pricing by not buying for a while?

If only people could control their urges then games wouldn't be released with 80% of their content as DLC and selling cosmetic mounts for 40$ and rising, but what can I say people want to get ripped off.

I agree Bigevilpeter, but not enough of us do this. To each their own I guess. I just can't allow myself to spend that kind of money on a mount. Do I want them....yep. But I will say what needs to be said with my wallet. I bought 2 mounts back when they were cheap and on sale. I wont buy anymore. If they were around 10$ a pop, I would have bought one for each toon and then some.

Congrats to the people with the new Spider Mount. It looks wicked!

d0e1ow

"It's supply and demand" (even though the "Supply" is theoretically endless and requires zero labor)

"Vote with your wallet" (this does nothing)

"It's worth what people feel it is worth" (despite it having a set price point that is non-negotiable and use value being an extremely poor dictator of value since it is nothing more than a subjective, moving target)

"Stop whining. It's chump change for me." (Even though we're in massive austerity and most people are making less then $30,000 a year despite the price of everything else rising)

The people who post in these "money threads" which seem to make up most of the forums on any given day are absolutely worthless. Read a book.

NordSwordnBoard

I paid 900 for mine. Others are from buying dlc and crown crates.
I have enough fancy mounts for my stables.

Edit: price check on white mane mount lol

Insandros

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

@Bigevilpeter

Do you remember the times those mount were 2500 crowns if it was the gold old days the game was paying member only?

First now the game is for paying members only since its b2p, second the prices were 2500 was like that long after the game went b2p, these new prices came after crown crates and housing when they realized how easy people are.

You know, if prices we cheap and everyone could afford them, they weren't being called, special mount anymore, but commun mount since everyone could get them I remember other games, to get cool mounts you had to finish HARD and HARD content or never ending quest lines, so, making them crown availabe still makes it easy to get, if you're not happy with the price, then just don't get them, at least now someone can be proud to walk around with a mount not eveyone has.

Ruthven

People tend to stock up on Crowns when they go on sale (PSN, Xbox, etc.) so it almost seems like ZOS is taking that into consideration and upping the Crown Store price to offset that.

...and people keep buying them!

Personally, it's a waste of money. I do buy things from the Crown Store but 4,000 Crowns for a bloody mount is stupid (again, my opinion).

That being said, to each their own. If you want to fork over that kind of coin so be it. Enjoy.

EDIT: I'm sure ZOS will keep upping the price until they find that 'sweet spot' where they have maximized proift while not totally alienating all customers.

Insandros

I remember the gold od days i started driving in 93-94 or so, the gaz was not even 75 cents a litter, can'T even remember, now it'S $1,25 or so... you can cry about it, walk, or adjust to the cost of life and keep your car going, same in here, mounts are not necessary, if you don't agree with the fancy mount,s prices, don't buy them, buy ingame normal mounts and live with it. You still can get that boring white horse for a few golds in any stable, you'll have your mount and won't have to pay a single crown for it. It's cosmetic, not necessary, so crying about it is non-send, no one forces you to buy one, you wanna flash with something cool, then pay, like having a Ferari, you wanna flash in a cool looking car, pay it, if you don'T wanna flash, then kepp your little Accent :P

Vipstaakki

I love how these people think that their opinions matter in what i decided to spend my money on.
You are in no place to tell me what i buy with the money unless you come do my job and earn the money for me.

Tyrobag

Honestly, this probably makes ZoS loose more money than it makes for them. If they actually made the mounts reasonably priced, I'm sure that they would get more than twice the amount of people buying them.

Sotihe

I will keep my sub and let other people fund this game with over priced mounts and other things!

Balsagna

Things are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them and not a penny less. If a product gets priced out of what you feel comfortable spending for the product then don't buy it. If people weren't buying it, then the price would go down. The fact that the price is going up should tell you all you need to know.

Welcome to capitalism. And, I really doubt they are losing money. Someone is crunching the numbers when they make these decisions. I'm confident they know exactly what they are doing.

eklhaftb16_ESO

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Good thing you don't need to buy them in order to progress in the game! Other people, who have the ability to afford and the willingness to buy...will. They have their opinion, you have yours.

Lore-appropriate customization is a major part of the "progression" in any RPG. And yet for some reason, in ESO it is almost entirely locked behind an exorbitant and downright unacceptable pricing policy, without any in-game alternatives available.

For example, I just bought the Morrowind expansion and sailed to Vvardenfell. First thing I did was to visit the stables to buy a riding guar (my horses were left at home because I know horses don't deal well with Vvanderfell climate). But lo and behold, there are no guars for sale. All the stablemaster sells is horses - EVEN THOUGH THOSE DAMN GUARS ARE STANDING RIGHT AROUND HER, saddles and everything. Apparently, every other stinking NPC on Vvardenfell got a guar, and I can't buy one. Not because I hadn't brought enough gold, but because guars as a whole have been paywalled out of the game. Yes, they put the entire animal species behind an effin' paywall!

(It's not just mounts, of course. There isn't a single in-game fashion store. Where are the NPCs getting their everyday clothes? Certainly not from the cash shop!)

Sure, I understand the company has to make money somehow. It's just a matter of moderation. The current ZOS pricing policy stinks of monopoly abuse and it leaves a rather bitter taste. We should be paying real money for extra special flashy stuff, not for ordinary mundane basic stuff that was deliberately cut out of the game and locked behind an extortionate paywall.
I like this game a lot and I'd love to support it further by buying some neat cash shop fluff every once in a while - but then, I look at their pricetags and I realize my money isn't welcome here.

Personofsecrets

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Good thing you don't need to buy them in order to progress in the game! Other people, who have the ability to afford and the willingness to buy...will. They have their opinion, you have yours.

Lore-appropriate customization is a major part of the "progression" in any RPG. And yet for some reason, in ESO it is almost entirely locked behind an exorbitant and downright unacceptable pricing policy, without any in-game alternatives available.

For example, I just bought the Morrowind expansion and sailed to Vvardenfell. First thing I did was to visit the stables to buy a riding guar (my horses were left at home because I know horses don't deal well with Vvanderfell climate). But lo and behold, there are no guars for sale. All the stablemaster sells is horses - EVEN THOUGH THOSE DAMN GUARS ARE STANDING RIGHT AROUND HER, saddles and everything. Apparently, every other stinking NPC on Vvardenfell got a guar, and I can't buy one. Not because I hadn't brought enough gold, but because guars as a whole have been paywalled out of the game. Yes, they put the entire animal species behind an effin' paywall!

(It's not just mounts, of course. There isn't a single in-game fashion store. Where are the NPCs getting their everyday clothes? Certainly not from the cash shop!)

Sure, I understand the company has to make money somehow. It's just a matter of moderation. The current ZOS pricing policy stinks of monopoly abuse and it leaves a rather bitter taste. We should be paying real money for extra special flashy stuff, not for ordinary mundane basic stuff that was deliberately cut out of the game and locked behind an extortionate paywall.
I like this game a lot and I'd love to support it further by buying some neat cash shop fluff every once in a while - but then, I look at their pricetags and I realize my money isn't welcome here.

This is an awesome insight. Really - thank you.

grizzledcroc

There is a fashion store in Abahs landing doe . Plus in Vivec they have a textiles place. But nothing for a player to buy xD. I kinda wish the game was sub still. We would at least have ingame updates like the guar in without paying

drakhan2002_ESO

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Good thing you don't need to buy them in order to progress in the game! Other people, who have the ability to afford and the willingness to buy...will. They have their opinion, you have yours.

Lore-appropriate customization is a major part of the "progression" in any RPG. And yet for some reason, in ESO it is almost entirely locked behind an exorbitant and downright unacceptable pricing policy, without any in-game alternatives available.

I understand your opinion, however, by progression I am referring to the ability to level your character, obtain new skills, and play the content of the game. Role playing is a subset of the game experience; not something that is a requirement to progress your character's advancement.