The Right Way To Achieve Balance In PVP PVE

joshjda

I've mentioned this before in 2 other threads but never made my own either way this is how things should be done. Firstly taking everything they have done since september (nerfing crap) reversing it all and stopping what i said back in sept was a pointless futile effort.

Now for what needs to be done pve and pvp sets need to be separate from each other as this is where the majority of the problem arises. To achieve this you simply reduce regens within pvp zones and modes between 45% and 75% (exact numbers only known after testing and may differ between magic and stamina) then creating pvp sets that will not unbalance combat within pvp. Wearing these pieces should give a boost to stat pools per piece within pvp zones (doing this provides a burst damage model over a sustained damage model). Create 3 craftable sets within cyrodil to get everyone started closely monitor resource amounts and damage outputs to determine the amount each piece should buff all pools. Some pieces can be used in pve and pvp like 3 piece jewelry sets maelstrom and master weapons maybe monster sets (probably not).


Once you have this setup this way it is just a matter of tweaking the buffs gained from pvp only pieces (reason for reducing regens and boosting stats if someone tried to use pve only gear in pvp they would get wrecked endlessly and be forced to use the appropriate gear. Since the buff is only in pvp zones the gear is useless in pve). To be perfectly clear you reduce regens massively and nearly double all resource pools refrain from overly high defense buffs in pvp sets. Doing this will give a smooth easy nonconfusing divide between the two with little to no extra work involved.
Another good idea for pvp may be to change move functions for instance knock downs binds fear etc should probably be changed to a generic increased damage till broken free of debuff. This will fix pvp being nothing but knock down and slaughter before they get up tactics may not be necessary if health and other pools are increased enough.



Addressing pve

Once all the nerfs have been changed back increasing stamina gain from heavy attacks without nerfing the damage would be an important change once cut free from pvp you can make sure both stamina and magica based builds can actually finish a mob and move on to the next 1 seamlessly reduce potion cooldowns in pve back to 30 seconds would be nice as well once this is done just move on as you were before this mess. If some people or groups are still feeling unchallenged and they will you add a 3rd more difficult difficulty setting that gives them a chance at a gold drops so that it is also rewarding for them.


Another change that you could make in reference to monster sets would to change the shoulders to a cape/scarf item this will insure that all players have access to 2 5 piece sets and 1 monster set players will love you for that. Why change the shoulder item because making a 2 handed item worth 2 items would devalue your maelstrom and masters pieces a low defense cape (low like as in belt low) also gives more flexibility in chosing pieces for undaunted perks. should also probably make the capes/scarves hidable players would also enjoy that option.

joshjda

I know i come off smug and abrasive i would ask that people just read it for what it is and think about what has been said and try not to focus on my demeanor.

joshjda

So basically what we learn in forums is this you make a stupid pointless whiney thread everyone looks and responds. You make an intelligent thread that gives real solutions to real problems no comments no one even looks at it message recieved.

babedenny

I think part of the reason is that your writing style and punctuation makes it difficult to follow (for me, anyway). I realize that English may not be your first language, so I am not judging, I'm just saying it could be part of the reason.

kunquatb16_ESO

I agree with you that PvP and PvE need to be balanced separately. I think requiring 2 sets of gear will tend to put new players off, even if some are craft-able.

I think having gear with separate stats effect ect for PvP and PvE areas would work. That way, the effects stats and buffs could be tailored to the situation of play, and be design to fulfill analogous roles in each. I also think skills and champion points could be adapted in this way.

That way, players would only need 1 gearset, as now. and characters would fill the same role in each type of play (assuming largely similar skills used).

joshjda

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree with you that PvP and PvE need to be balanced separately. I think requiring 2 sets of gear will tend to put new players off, even if some are craft-able.

I think having gear with separate stats effect ect for PvP and PvE areas would work. That way, the effects stats and buffs could be tailored to the situation of play, and be design to fulfill analogous roles in each. I also think skills and champion points could be adapted in this way.

That way, players would only need 1 gearset, as now. and characters would fill the same role in each type of play (assuming largely similar skills used).

They do yes and pvp is always meant to be a burst damage system not a sustain and fight forever system which is why i said what was said about buffing all pools per piece of pvp gear worn to give that burst effect.

Galwylin

I think the problem is the player base doesn't seem to be opposed to separating the two. I don't know why anyone would PvP and not think of having some inpen gear for it. But its the devs that want this (to make their jobs easier...) and the ones forcing this down everyone's throat. Heck, we've screamed stopped nerfing nightblades so they're looking into making them sneakier. I don't think those things work except for holding up their hats.

Rev Rielle

PvE and PvP equipment will not be separated. Development have said this multiple times over the last couple of years, not least in the last ESO Live by Eric. Is it an ideal system? Probably not, but PvP is not the primary focus of ESO, that much is obvious.

So it's a system that we just have to work within as best we're able. At the end of the day it is the same for every one of us that play the game. I think all the gamers that are Enjoy a hardcore and/or balanced PvP environment are not playing ESO.